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Is Fascism Inevitable in the Future of the West?

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Shanhwa
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Postby Shanhwa » Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:34 am

Kustonia wrote:
Purgatio wrote:
I'm not white and I'm not a citizen of a Western country.


You don't have to be white to be a fascist. There have been plenty of non-white fascists throughout history.


And they’ve all, including the white ones, failed spectacularly.

Continue on with how fascism will give us a better future, please.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:35 am

Kowani wrote:
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I agree, I've already said I support ethnically-homogenous societies adopting pro-natalist policies to avoid the need for them to accept immigrants of other races destroying the social harmony and cohesion they've carefully preserved and maintained.

I’m not sure if the Ainu would agree with your assessment.

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Postby Purgatio » Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:35 am

Kowani wrote:
Purgatio wrote:
I agree, I've already said I support ethnically-homogenous societies adopting pro-natalist policies to avoid the need for them to accept immigrants of other races destroying the social harmony and cohesion they've carefully preserved and maintained.

I’m not sure if the Ainu would agree with your assessment.


That's fine, there aren't many of them anyway which supports my argument that Japan has maintained its social harmony by maintaining its ethnic homogeneity as an ethnic Yamato country

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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:36 am

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Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:The Japanese government is trying. It's not working (probably because they invented hentai and waifus).


Btw, a lot of Japanese people find it amusing and downright comical the ridiculous overblown stereotypes white people have of them and their culture, and I for one agree, its so exaggerated to the point no one can take it seriously:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1KzIiUnjRw

Doesn’t bother NS #1 Vampire. (That’s me). Honestly jokes are just that, jokes, who cares.

It doesnt stop them from making anime characters all white, save for a scarce few.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:37 am

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I already told you that I don't know why racists in 2005 were targeting South Asians over East Asians. Should I make something up? Maybe given the political climate at the time they were trying to target Muslims. Again, I don't know. That's just a guess.



Where exactly are you going to do that? There isn't much terra nullius going around these days.

I’m going to the one place not corrupted by minorities.....
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Postby Purgatio » Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:37 am

Holy Tedalonia wrote:
Purgatio wrote:
Btw, a lot of Japanese people find it amusing and downright comical the ridiculous overblown stereotypes white people have of them and their culture, and I for one agree, its so exaggerated to the point no one can take it seriously:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1KzIiUnjRw

Doesn’t bother NS #1 Vampire. (That’s me). Honestly jokes are just that, jokes, who cares.

It doesnt stop them from making anime characters all white, save for a scarce few.


Again, easy to say when you're not a member of the race being made fun of. "It's a joke" is a poor excuse, you only find a joke funny if you agree with the punchline.

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Postby Genivaria » Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:37 am

Purgatio wrote:
Kowani wrote:Tell them to start having more kids, then.


I agree, I've already said I support ethnically-homogenous societies adopting pro-natalist policies to avoid the need for them to accept immigrants of other races destroying the social harmony and cohesion they've carefully preserved and maintained.

If accepting immigrants would 'destroy their social harmony and cohesion' then it's weak and fragile.
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Postby Shanhwa » Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:38 am

Ifreann wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:I’m going to the one place not corrupted by minorities.....
SPACE

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Postby Purgatio » Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:38 am

Genivaria wrote:
Purgatio wrote:
I agree, I've already said I support ethnically-homogenous societies adopting pro-natalist policies to avoid the need for them to accept immigrants of other races destroying the social harmony and cohesion they've carefully preserved and maintained.

If accepting immigrants would 'destroy their social harmony and cohesion' then it's weak and fragile.


It's fragile and therefore needs to be protected through an immigration policy that will not radically reshape the demographic face of Japan, Taiwan and South Korea and other countries I've mentioned.
Last edited by Purgatio on Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:39 am, edited 1 time in total.

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Postby Genivaria » Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:39 am

Purgatio wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:Doesn’t bother NS #1 Vampire. (That’s me). Honestly jokes are just that, jokes, who cares.

It doesnt stop them from making anime characters all white, save for a scarce few.


Again, easy to say when you're not a member of the race being made fun of. "It's a joke" is a poor excuse, you only find a joke funny if you agree with the punchline.

Not really no.
I laugh at Irish jokes all the time.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:39 am

Purgatio wrote:
Kowani wrote:I’m not sure if the Ainu would agree with your assessment.


That's fine, there aren't many of them anyway which supports my argument that Japan has maintained its social harmony by maintaining its ethnic homogeneity as an ethnic Yamato country

“Social harmony.”
Remind me, what’s the suicide situation looking like over there?

‘Sides, you’ve yet to explain what policies you would actually implement.
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Postby Genivaria » Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:39 am

Purgatio wrote:
Genivaria wrote:If accepting immigrants would 'destroy their social harmony and cohesion' then it's weak and fragile.


It's fragile and therefore needs to be protected through an immigration policy that will not radically reshape the demographic face of Japan, Taiwan and South Korea and other countries I've mentioned.

Immigration is not going to "radically reshape the demographic face of Japan".
This is just hysterical nonsense.
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Postby Purgatio » Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:40 am

Kowani wrote:
Purgatio wrote:
That's fine, there aren't many of them anyway which supports my argument that Japan has maintained its social harmony by maintaining its ethnic homogeneity as an ethnic Yamato country

“Social harmony.”
Remind me, what’s the suicide situation looking like over there?

‘Sides, you’ve yet to explain what policies you would actually implement.


I already told you, immigration policies that give out citizenships, PR status and immigrant visas that actively take race into account and attempt to either reduce racial diversity or maintain ethnic homogeneity, and race-specific pro-natalist policies that do the same, like financial packages and support for child-bearing and child-rearing.

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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:40 am

Purgatio wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:Doesn’t bother NS #1 Vampire. (That’s me). Honestly jokes are just that, jokes, who cares.

It doesnt stop them from making anime characters all white, save for a scarce few.


Again, easy to say when you're not a member of the race being made fun of. "It's a joke" is a poor excuse, you only find a joke funny if you agree with the punchline.

Good thing I am consider very much a member then, a tolerant one at that. It’s like fluffy’s racist gift basket thing, it can be funny granted that no one gets sensitive over the content at hand.
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Postby Genivaria » Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:41 am

Purgatio wrote:
Kowani wrote:“Social harmony.”
Remind me, what’s the suicide situation looking like over there?

‘Sides, you’ve yet to explain what policies you would actually implement.


I already told you, immigration policies that give out citizenships, PR status and immigrant visas that actively take race into account and attempt to either reduce racial diversity or maintain ethnic homogeneity, and race-specific pro-natalist policies that do the same, like financial packages and support for child-bearing and child-rearing.

And why in the hell should be base the policy around 'race' ? :eyebrow:
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Postby Purgatio » Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:41 am

Genivaria wrote:
Purgatio wrote:
It's fragile and therefore needs to be protected through an immigration policy that will not radically reshape the demographic face of Japan, Taiwan and South Korea and other countries I've mentioned.

Immigration is not going to "radically reshape the demographic face of Japan".
This is just hysterical nonsense.


Because Japan currently adopts an immigration policy that attempts to keep Japan Japanese. China adopts an immigration policy that prioritises ethnic Han Chinese when granting new citizenships. If these immigration policies changed, the demographics of China, Japan, Taiwan and South Korea would change too, for the worse.

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Postby Purgatio » Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:42 am

Genivaria wrote:
Purgatio wrote:
I already told you, immigration policies that give out citizenships, PR status and immigrant visas that actively take race into account and attempt to either reduce racial diversity or maintain ethnic homogeneity, and race-specific pro-natalist policies that do the same, like financial packages and support for child-bearing and child-rearing.

And why in the hell should be base the policy around 'race' ? :eyebrow:


In order to reduce racial diversity in a country, which as I pointed out earlier, studies by Putnam, Costa and Kahn, Fieldhouse and Cutts, and Alesina and Ferrera, all demonstrate is negative correlated with community trust, social cohesion and social capital.

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Postby Genivaria » Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:43 am

Purgatio wrote:
Genivaria wrote:And why in the hell should be base the policy around 'race' ? :eyebrow:


In order to reduce racial diversity in a country, which as I pointed out earlier, studies by Putnam, Costa and Kahn, Fieldhouse and Cutts, and Alesina and Ferrera, all demonstrate is negative correlated with community trust, social cohesion and social capital.

I don't care about a correlation I care about a causation, can you demonstrate a causation that racial diversity leads to social unrest?
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Postby Purgatio » Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:43 am

Genivaria wrote:
Purgatio wrote:
Again, easy to say when you're not a member of the race being made fun of. "It's a joke" is a poor excuse, you only find a joke funny if you agree with the punchline.

Not really no.
I laugh at Irish jokes all the time.


Then that's you, but I don't appreciate jokes about Chinese or East Asians because I have self-respect, as do most people. And I can't imagine someone who is Japanese enjoys the idea that there are white people who think they are all hentai-watching sexual perverts. Very easy to tell someone of another race to shut up and take a joke that mocks them, when it doesn't affect you. It doesn't make you brave or courageous to say so.

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Postby Kowani » Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:44 am

Purgatio wrote:
Kowani wrote:“Social harmony.”
Remind me, what’s the suicide situation looking like over there?

‘Sides, you’ve yet to explain what policies you would actually implement.


I already told you, immigration policies that give out citizenships, PR status and immigrant visas that actively take race into account and attempt to either reduce racial diversity or maintain ethnic homogeneity, and race-specific pro-natalist policies that do the same, like financial packages and support for child-bearing and child-rearing.

The first is not nearly enough, the second would require a massive shift in Japanese culture and would cause societal tensions anyway.
Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.




The triumph of the Democracy is essential to the struggle of popular liberty


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Postby Ifreann » Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:44 am

Purgatio wrote:
Kowani wrote:“Social harmony.”
Remind me, what’s the suicide situation looking like over there?

‘Sides, you’ve yet to explain what policies you would actually implement.


I already told you, immigration policies that give out citizenships, PR status and immigrant visas that actively take race into account and attempt to either reduce racial diversity or maintain ethnic homogeneity, and race-specific pro-natalist policies that do the same, like financial packages and support for child-bearing and child-rearing.

Nothing short of nuclear war or ethnic cleansing will meaningfully change current demographic projections. You said so yourself.

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Postby Purgatio » Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:45 am

Genivaria wrote:
Purgatio wrote:
In order to reduce racial diversity in a country, which as I pointed out earlier, studies by Putnam, Costa and Kahn, Fieldhouse and Cutts, and Alesina and Ferrera, all demonstrate is negative correlated with community trust, social cohesion and social capital.

I don't care about a correlation I care about a causation, can you demonstrate a causation that racial diversity leads to social unrest?


The studies I cited which showed people who lived in more racially-diverse communities reported lower levels of trust, social capital and community engagement, supporting the argument that people are inherently tribalistic and prefer to be amongst people like themselves.

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Postby Purgatio » Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:46 am

Kowani wrote:
Purgatio wrote:
I already told you, immigration policies that give out citizenships, PR status and immigrant visas that actively take race into account and attempt to either reduce racial diversity or maintain ethnic homogeneity, and race-specific pro-natalist policies that do the same, like financial packages and support for child-bearing and child-rearing.

The first is not nearly enough, the second would require a massive shift in Japanese culture and would cause societal tensions anyway.


The first does not need to effect massive demographic changes in a society like Japan that only needs to preserve its existing homogeneity rather than go from a diverse society to a less diverse one.

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Postby Ifreann » Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:46 am

Purgatio wrote:
Genivaria wrote:I don't care about a correlation I care about a causation, can you demonstrate a causation that racial diversity leads to social unrest?


The studies I cited which showed people who lived in more racially-diverse communities reported lower levels of trust, social capital and community engagement, supporting the argument that people are inherently tribalistic and prefer to be amongst people like themselves.

In the short term.

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Postby Purgatio » Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:46 am

Ifreann wrote:
Purgatio wrote:
I already told you, immigration policies that give out citizenships, PR status and immigrant visas that actively take race into account and attempt to either reduce racial diversity or maintain ethnic homogeneity, and race-specific pro-natalist policies that do the same, like financial packages and support for child-bearing and child-rearing.

Nothing short of nuclear war or ethnic cleansing will meaningfully change current demographic projections. You said so yourself.


No, I said barring an extreme change of circumstances, the projections I cited are likely to come to fruition. A liberal democracy adopting explicitly race-based immigration is an example of such an extreme change of circumstances, given I find it unlikely it will ever happen especially given the voter base is becoming increasingly racially-diverse.

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