Is Fascism Inevitable in the Future of the West?

[Ohioan Territory]

I don't think our divisions are that extreme. The American left is hardly akin to communism, just as much as the American right is hardly akin to fascism (I'm talking the normal people on each side, not the fringes). There is no way a large enough group of Americans would be okay with fascism, or communism for that matter, seizing power in Washington.

[Kustonia]

Resurgence of nationalism? Already happening.

Destruction of the EU? Hopefully, eventually, yes.


To answer the OP; Fascism in and of itself is not inevitable; but aspects of it will be if humanity continues it’s current course. Large corporations have gained extreme political powers and influences and with more and more restrictions across the world on your rights, sometimes your human rights, authoritarian corporatism is a possibility. Just not in the traditional sense of fascism.

I will never understand why people constantly have a raging hatred for the EU.

Because the EU is committing suicide. It's a train on a collision course.

[Purgatio]

I have defended it, its the most logical explanation of the statistics I cited in The Guardian article and supported by Putnam's 'hunkering down' thesis, which I also cited earlier. That's my defense of my claim. Studies vindicating the view that social cohesion decreases as racial diversity increases, coupled with comparative hate crime statistics in the UK which appears to vindicate that same thesis.

So can you demonstrate a causation with that correlation?

Yes, Putnam's 2007 study which quantitatively demonstrated through surveys a reduction in social trust and community cohesion as racial diversity increased, and an inverse relationship between the two. A thesis vindicated by Costa and Kahn's 2003 study, Alesina and Ferrera's 2000 study, and the Fieldhouse and Cutts study of June 2010. These studies, demonstrating decreases in social capital with increases in racial diversity, provide a compelling explanation of the 'hierarchy of hate' statistics in The Guardian article I cited, and provides a coherent explanation for why Caribbeans, South Asians and Slavs were more likely, individually, to suffer hate crimes compared to East Asians and Jews from White Brits.

[Kowani]

Would you like some grease for that slope?

As the youngest generation is, by almost any metric we have, as liberal if not more so than millennials, even though the alt-right is more prevalent than it’s been in a long time, the ones who’ll matter by the time these demographic shifts happen won’t be diametrically opposed. Particularly since they’ll be a plurality-and the people who would be most opposed tend to live in areas where the shift won’t hit them as hard.

Also, you’ve yet to explain how you would implement these policies legally.

Through the law? Immigration policy and pro-natalist policies can be whatever a country's lawmakers want it to be.

Blatantly racist ones? Not happening?
Illegalizing contraceptives? Good luck.
Outlawing abortion?
Lowering the cost of childcare? Muh soshialism.

Would you like some grease for that slope?

As the youngest generation is, by almost any metric we have, as liberal if not more so than millennials, even though the alt-right is more prevalent than it’s been in a long time, the ones who’ll matter by the time these demographic shifts happen won’t be diametrically opposed. Particularly since they’ll be a plurality-and the people who would be most opposed tend to live in areas where the shift won’t hit them as hard.

Also, you’ve yet to explain how you would implement these policies legally.

Or...maybe enough white people will walk away from modernity to form their own ethnostate all over again with their blood, sweat, and tears.

Literally where.

[Kustonia]

Then it appears we’re in the same boat. Though personally I find there’s more evidence historically that appeasing fascists and Nazis doesn’t work.

I'm not trying to appease the fascist ideological leaders themselves, like Richard Spencer or Jared Taylor. I'm trying to stop whites who would otherwise not become fascists from joining these groups as rank-and-file members in the first place.

You're attempts have failed. Join the fascists and fight for a better future.

[Alvecia]

Then it appears we’re in the same boat. Though personally I find there’s more evidence historically that appeasing fascists and Nazis doesn’t work.

I'm not trying to appease the fascist ideological leaders themselves, like Richard Spencer or Jared Taylor. I'm trying to stop whites who would otherwise not become fascists from joining these groups as rank-and-file members in the first place.

By giving de facto government legitimacy to the idea that non-whites don’t deserve equal treatment. Regardless, I don’t believe there’s any evidence to support this idea.

[Purgatio]

I guess we can only wait and see if that's true, but if that day ever comes get ready to see the rise of the Japanese equivalent of neo-Nazis amongst the ethnic Yamato population, same as is taking place in the US, UK and Canada right now.

I can’t see that becoming a thing ever in japan. Sure traditionalism and nationalism has always been a part of japan. But I don’t think your correlation works for japan. If immigrations direct effects on fascism, then Yukio Mishima would’ve committed seppuku back in 2018 rather then earlier (assuming he was still alive by then), but no instead he decided to commit seppuku (and a coup) back in 1970, a period of time where there was absolutely no immigration.

It is no doubt that Japan has grown softer, and this was what Yukio despised about the transition in Japan. He wanted that rugged old fashion Imperial Japan. However the populace differed in opinion, and he knowing his coup wouldn’t work, committed seppuku.

To say that Japan would grow fascist if immigration were to open up? I respectfully disagree, sure you’ll get the fringe groups, but they are already dissatisfied with Japan as a whole and become a minority. The culture has completely changed. You’ve got pre-war japanese people who are dissatisfied with the way that japan is currently behaving, and you’ve got post war Japanese people who are ok with this softer version of japan. Even if Japanese people as a whole feel threatened by immigration, it would be by a legal process rather then a revolutionary process. As you can see it is happening even now, with their current immigration policy. The moment the flaws in this policy are revealed, (showing that they cant sustain a population declining nation), they will be forced to accept immigrants whether they like to or not. Otherwise they are denying the reality of the situation.

What about the racist backlash to Naomi Osaka and Ariana Miyamoto? What about half-whites like Ian Herman who talked about the racial abuse he received when he was younger from his classmates (http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/9/9/hafu-in-japan-mixed-race.html)?

Japan doesn't have neo-Nazis and the alt-right only because it is racially-homogenous and ethnic Japanese don't feel demographically threatened. The moment they start to feel threatened, expect social trends and race relations in Japan to shift to resemble that in the US and UK.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

I'm not trying to appease the fascist ideological leaders themselves, like Richard Spencer or Jared Taylor. I'm trying to stop whites who would otherwise not become fascists from joining these groups as rank-and-file members in the first place.

You're attempts have failed. Join the fascists and fight for a better future.

Please, go on about how fascism makes countries better. I know a few Germans who might find you funny.

[Purgatio]

I'm not trying to appease the fascist ideological leaders themselves, like Richard Spencer or Jared Taylor. I'm trying to stop whites who would otherwise not become fascists from joining these groups as rank-and-file members in the first place.

You're attempts have failed. Join the fascists and fight for a better future.

I'm not white and I'm not a citizen of a Western country.

[Genivaria]

I'm not trying to appease the fascist ideological leaders themselves, like Richard Spencer or Jared Taylor. I'm trying to stop whites who would otherwise not become fascists from joining these groups as rank-and-file members in the first place.

You're attempts have failed. Join the fascists and fight for a better future.

Your attempts would be amusing.

[Kowani]

I can’t see that becoming a thing ever in japan. Sure traditionalism and nationalism has always been a part of japan. But I don’t think your correlation works for japan. If immigrations direct effects on fascism, then Yukio Mishima would’ve committed seppuku back in 2018 rather then earlier (assuming he was still alive by then), but no instead he decided to commit seppuku (and a coup) back in 1970, a period of time where there was absolutely no immigration.

It is no doubt that Japan has grown softer, and this was what Yukio despised about the transition in Japan. He wanted that rugged old fashion Imperial Japan. However the populace differed in opinion, and he knowing his coup wouldn’t work, committed seppuku.

To say that Japan would grow fascist if immigration were to open up? I respectfully disagree, sure you’ll get the fringe groups, but they are already dissatisfied with Japan as a whole and become a minority. The culture has completely changed. You’ve got pre-war japanese people who are dissatisfied with the way that japan is currently behaving, and you’ve got post war Japanese people who are ok with this softer version of japan. Even if Japanese people as a whole feel threatened by immigration, it would be by a legal process rather then a revolutionary process. As you can see it is happening even now, with their current immigration policy. The moment the flaws in this policy are revealed, (showing that they cant sustain a population declining nation), they will be forced to accept immigrants whether they like to or not. Otherwise they are denying the reality of the situation.

What about the racist backlash to Naomi Osaka and Ariana Miyamoto? What about half-whites like Ian Herman who talked about the racial abuse he received when he was younger from his classmates (http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/9/9/hafu-in-japan-mixed-race.html)?

Japan doesn't have neo-Nazis and the alt-right only because it is racially-homogenous and ethnic Japanese don't feel demographically threatened. The moment they start to feel threatened, expect social trends and race relations in Japan to shift to resemble that in the US and UK.

Tell them to start having more kids, then.

[Purgatio]

What about the racist backlash to Naomi Osaka and Ariana Miyamoto? What about half-whites like Ian Herman who talked about the racial abuse he received when he was younger from his classmates (http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/9/9/hafu-in-japan-mixed-race.html)?

Japan doesn't have neo-Nazis and the alt-right only because it is racially-homogenous and ethnic Japanese don't feel demographically threatened. The moment they start to feel threatened, expect social trends and race relations in Japan to shift to resemble that in the US and UK.

Tell them to start having more kids, then.

I agree, I've already said I support ethnically-homogenous societies adopting pro-natalist policies to avoid the need for them to accept immigrants of other races destroying the social harmony and cohesion they've carefully preserved and maintained.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

What about the racist backlash to Naomi Osaka and Ariana Miyamoto? What about half-whites like Ian Herman who talked about the racial abuse he received when he was younger from his classmates (http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/9/9/hafu-in-japan-mixed-race.html)?

Japan doesn't have neo-Nazis and the alt-right only because it is racially-homogenous and ethnic Japanese don't feel demographically threatened. The moment they start to feel threatened, expect social trends and race relations in Japan to shift to resemble that in the US and UK.

Tell them to start having more kids, then.

The Japanese government is trying. It's not working (probably because they invented hentai and waifus).

[Purgatio]

Tell them to start having more kids, then.

The Japanese government is trying. It's not working (probably because they invented hentai and waifus).

Wow, way to stereotype an entire group of people and paint them with a broad-brush.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

The Japanese government is trying. It's not working (probably because they invented hentai and waifus).

Wow, way to stereotype an entire group of people and paint them with a broad-brush.

Have you heard of this thing called a joke

[Kustonia]

You're attempts have failed. Join the fascists and fight for a better future.

I'm not white and I'm not a citizen of a Western country.

You don't have to be white to be a fascist. There have been plenty of non-white fascists throughout history.

[Purgatio]

Tell them to start having more kids, then.

The Japanese government is trying. It's not working (probably because they invented hentai and waifus).

Btw, a lot of Japanese people find it amusing and downright comical the ridiculous overblown stereotypes white people have of them and their culture, and I for one agree, its so exaggerated to the point no one can take it seriously:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1KzIiUnjRw

[Holy Tedalonia]

I can’t see that becoming a thing ever in japan. Sure traditionalism and nationalism has always been a part of japan. But I don’t think your correlation works for japan. If immigrations direct effects on fascism, then Yukio Mishima would’ve committed seppuku back in 2018 rather then earlier (assuming he was still alive by then), but no instead he decided to commit seppuku (and a coup) back in 1970, a period of time where there was absolutely no immigration.

It is no doubt that Japan has grown softer, and this was what Yukio despised about the transition in Japan. He wanted that rugged old fashion Imperial Japan. However the populace differed in opinion, and he knowing his coup wouldn’t work, committed seppuku.

To say that Japan would grow fascist if immigration were to open up? I respectfully disagree, sure you’ll get the fringe groups, but they are already dissatisfied with Japan as a whole and become a minority. The culture has completely changed. You’ve got pre-war japanese people who are dissatisfied with the way that japan is currently behaving, and you’ve got post war Japanese people who are ok with this softer version of japan. Even if Japanese people as a whole feel threatened by immigration, it would be by a legal process rather then a revolutionary process. As you can see it is happening even now, with their current immigration policy. The moment the flaws in this policy are revealed, (showing that they cant sustain a population declining nation), they will be forced to accept immigrants whether they like to or not. Otherwise they are denying the reality of the situation.

What about the racist backlash to Naomi Osaka and Ariana Miyamoto? What about half-whites like Ian Herman who talked about the racial abuse he received when he was younger from his classmates (http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/9/9/hafu-in-japan-mixed-race.html)?

Japan doesn't have neo-Nazis and the alt-right only because it is racially-homogenous and ethnic Japanese don't feel demographically threatened. The moment they start to feel threatened, expect social trends and race relations in Japan to shift to resemble that in the US and UK.

You’ve activated my trap card: LISD WiFi blocks this website from me; your ‘gotcha’ is ineffective!

In all seriousness Ill read this later.

[Internationalist Bastard]

The Japanese government is trying. It's not working (probably because they invented hentai and waifus).

Wow, way to stereotype an entire group of people and paint them with a broad-brush.

Yeah!
Only the Ministry of Waifus did that

[Ifreann]

You can believe whatever you want.

Give me an equally-compelling alternative explanation and I'll change my mind. That's how debate works.

I already told you that I don't know why racists in 2005 were targeting South Asians over East Asians. Should I make something up? Maybe given the political climate at the time they were trying to target Muslims. Again, I don't know. That's just a guess.

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Would you like some grease for that slope?

As the youngest generation is, by almost any metric we have, as liberal if not more so than millennials, even though the alt-right is more prevalent than it’s been in a long time, the ones who’ll matter by the time these demographic shifts happen won’t be diametrically opposed. Particularly since they’ll be a plurality-and the people who would be most opposed tend to live in areas where the shift won’t hit them as hard.

Also, you’ve yet to explain how you would implement these policies legally.

Or...maybe enough white people will walk away from modernity to form their own ethnostate all over again with their blood, sweat, and tears.

Where exactly are you going to do that? There isn't much terra nullius going around these days.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Give me an equally-compelling alternative explanation and I'll change my mind. That's how debate works.

I already told you that I don't know why racists in 2005 were targeting South Asians over East Asians. Should I make something up? Maybe given the political climate at the time they were trying to target Muslims. Again, I don't know. That's just a guess.

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Or...maybe enough white people will walk away from modernity to form their own ethnostate all over again with their blood, sweat, and tears.

Where exactly are you going to do that? There isn't much terra nullius going around these days.

I’m going to the one place not corrupted by minorities.....
SPACE

[Purpelia]

The Japanese government is trying. It's not working (probably because they invented hentai and waifus).

Btw, a lot of Japanese people find it amusing and downright comical the ridiculous overblown stereotypes white people have of them and their culture, and I for one agree, its so exaggerated to the point no one can take it seriously:

Which is why the only people who do are idiots on the internet who can't take a joke. Like seriously. You have us laughing at the joke, the Japanese laughing at the joke and the idiots fuming at the joke not realizing it's a joke which in turn makes us laugh at them. It's the circle of life.

[Kowani]

Tell them to start having more kids, then.

I agree, I've already said I support ethnically-homogenous societies adopting pro-natalist policies to avoid the need for them to accept immigrants of other races destroying the social harmony and cohesion they've carefully preserved and maintained.

I’m not sure if the Ainu would agree with your assessment.

[Purgatio]

Give me an equally-compelling alternative explanation and I'll change my mind. That's how debate works.

I already told you that I don't know why racists in 2005 were targeting South Asians over East Asians. Should I make something up? Maybe given the political climate at the time they were trying to target Muslims. Again, I don't know. That's just a guess.

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Or...maybe enough white people will walk away from modernity to form their own ethnostate all over again with their blood, sweat, and tears.

Where exactly are you going to do that? There isn't much terra nullius going around these days.

Not just South Asians, they also targeted Carribbean blacks and Southern and Eastern Europeans more than they targeted East Asians and Jews.

[Purgatio]

Btw, a lot of Japanese people find it amusing and downright comical the ridiculous overblown stereotypes white people have of them and their culture, and I for one agree, its so exaggerated to the point no one can take it seriously:

Which is why the only people who do are idiots on the internet who can't take a joke. Like seriously. You have us laughing at the joke, the Japanese laughing at the joke and the idiots fuming at the joke not realizing it's a joke which in turn makes us laugh at them. It's the circle of life.

Easy to say that when your race is not on the receiving end of the hilarious 'joke'