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Is Fascism Inevitable in the Future of the West?

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Purgatio
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Postby Purgatio » Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:04 pm

Stalliongrad and Far-Eastern Territories wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Yes, saying that a population decline based on race is good is in fact a racist statement.


I didn't say population decline. I was specifically talking about the decline in relative power between whites and non-whites. I would like to see the power that comes with being white completely eradicated, as it is power that exists solely through taking it from others, and not by any kind of merit.


.....what the fuck?
Purgatio is an absolutist hereditary monarchy run as a one-party fascist dictatorship, which seized power in a sudden and abrupt coup d'état of 1987-1988, on an authoritarian eugenic and socially Darwinistic political philosophy and ideology, now ruled and dominated with a brutal iron fist under the watchful reign of Le Grand Roi Chalon-Arlay de la Fayette and La Grande Reine Geneviève de la Fayette (née Aumont) (i.e., the 'Founding Couple' or Le Couple Fondateur).

For a domestic Purgation 'propagandist' view of its role in the world, see: An Introduction to Purgatio.

And for a more 'objective' international perspective on Purgatio's history, culture, and politics, see: A Brief Overview of the History, Politics, and Culture of Le Royaume du Nettoyage de la Purgatio.

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Stalliongrad and Far-Eastern Territories
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Postby Stalliongrad and Far-Eastern Territories » Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:06 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Stalliongrad and Far-Eastern Territories wrote:
Is it though?

I'm not arguing that white genocide is real but actually good, I'm saying that the end of a racial group's ability to dictate the terms of existence of literally everyone is a good thing. I fail to see how that's just as bad as being a literal neo-nazi.


White people don't dictate the terms of existence for literally everyone. Capitalists do, and they'll continue to dictate largely the same terms even if whites all died out tomorrow.

If you doubt it, just look at the type of empty, soulless, corporate capitalist minorities that the democrats are trying to shove down everyones throats while crowing about how positive and revolutionary "diversity" is just like you are here.

Quite literally the only thing that makes them different is their skin color.


Not to get sidetracked, but any kind of sentiment that isn't intersectional is counterrevolutionary, imo.
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Ostroeuropa
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:06 pm

Purgatio wrote:
Stalliongrad and Far-Eastern Territories wrote:
I didn't say population decline. I was specifically talking about the decline in relative power between whites and non-whites. I would like to see the power that comes with being white completely eradicated, as it is power that exists solely through taking it from others, and not by any kind of merit.


.....what the fuck?


Someone internalized the anti-white narrative.
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:07 pm

Stalliongrad and Far-Eastern Territories wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Yes, saying that a population decline based on race is good is in fact a racist statement.


I didn't say population decline. I was specifically talking about the decline in relative power between whites and non-whites. I would like to see the power that comes with being white completely eradicated, as it is power that exists solely through taking it from others, and not by any kind of merit.

Most of that so called "power/Privilege" idea is nonsense contrived in the minds of left-wing grievance studies professors who have drunk the cool aid.

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Postby Purgatio » Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:07 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Purgatio wrote:
.....what the fuck?


Someone internalized the anti-white narrative.


Talk about being self-hating. But even then...wow...I'm speechless.
Purgatio is an absolutist hereditary monarchy run as a one-party fascist dictatorship, which seized power in a sudden and abrupt coup d'état of 1987-1988, on an authoritarian eugenic and socially Darwinistic political philosophy and ideology, now ruled and dominated with a brutal iron fist under the watchful reign of Le Grand Roi Chalon-Arlay de la Fayette and La Grande Reine Geneviève de la Fayette (née Aumont) (i.e., the 'Founding Couple' or Le Couple Fondateur).

For a domestic Purgation 'propagandist' view of its role in the world, see: An Introduction to Purgatio.

And for a more 'objective' international perspective on Purgatio's history, culture, and politics, see: A Brief Overview of the History, Politics, and Culture of Le Royaume du Nettoyage de la Purgatio.

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:07 pm

Stalliongrad and Far-Eastern Territories wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
White people don't dictate the terms of existence for literally everyone. Capitalists do, and they'll continue to dictate largely the same terms even if whites all died out tomorrow.

If you doubt it, just look at the type of empty, soulless, corporate capitalist minorities that the democrats are trying to shove down everyones throats while crowing about how positive and revolutionary "diversity" is just like you are here.

Quite literally the only thing that makes them different is their skin color.


Not to get sidetracked, but any kind of sentiment that isn't intersectional is counterrevolutionary, imo.


If you think whites declining in relative population will change how the country is run you are deluding yourself and ignoring the evidence right in front of you in the form of Kamala Harris, Booker, and so on.

All that will change is capitalism will pick a new ingroup because that is how it operates, and if you think whites shifting from ingroup to outgroup and being replaced in the ingroup by another race is positive, you are an anti-white racist.
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:08 pm

Stalliongrad and Far-Eastern Territories wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Yes, saying that a population decline based on race is good is in fact a racist statement.


I didn't say population decline. I was specifically talking about the decline in relative power between whites and non-whites. I would like to see the power that comes with being white completely eradicated, as it is power that exists solely through taking it from others, and not by any kind of merit.


What power comes from being white in your opinion? Give an example.
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Stalliongrad and Far-Eastern Territories
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Postby Stalliongrad and Far-Eastern Territories » Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:09 pm

Purgatio wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Someone internalized the anti-white narrative.


Talk about being self-hating. But even then...wow...I'm speechless.


My dude, I don't know where you got the assumption that I'm white, but it's a pretty ugly assumption.
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New Zepuha wrote:We have voted AGAINST this laudable act.
Khadgar wrote:
Randy F Marsh wrote:
most of the communist parties that are out there are incompatible with communism.


Well "Jack-booted Authoritarian Dick Party" is a tough sell.
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Purgatio
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Postby Purgatio » Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:11 pm

Stalliongrad and Far-Eastern Territories wrote:
Purgatio wrote:
Talk about being self-hating. But even then...wow...I'm speechless.


My dude, I don't know where you got the assumption that I'm white, but it's a pretty ugly assumption.


It's called a charitable interpretation, because if you're not white, what you just said is pretty hateful and vitriolic. Whereas if you are white, you're just self-hating, which is still better than hating other people.
Purgatio is an absolutist hereditary monarchy run as a one-party fascist dictatorship, which seized power in a sudden and abrupt coup d'état of 1987-1988, on an authoritarian eugenic and socially Darwinistic political philosophy and ideology, now ruled and dominated with a brutal iron fist under the watchful reign of Le Grand Roi Chalon-Arlay de la Fayette and La Grande Reine Geneviève de la Fayette (née Aumont) (i.e., the 'Founding Couple' or Le Couple Fondateur).

For a domestic Purgation 'propagandist' view of its role in the world, see: An Introduction to Purgatio.

And for a more 'objective' international perspective on Purgatio's history, culture, and politics, see: A Brief Overview of the History, Politics, and Culture of Le Royaume du Nettoyage de la Purgatio.

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Postby North German Realm » Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:11 pm

The problem with hot takes like what we see from Stalliongrad over here is that they take the worldview that might hold merit in a limit region (Even then it's debatable) and make it worldwide. There is no such thing as "Worldwide White Supremacy". That is just the modern American leftist falling into the same problem any individual of politics from America falls into: Imagining America is the world.
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Postby Purgatio » Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:12 pm

North German Realm wrote:The problem with hot takes like what we see from Stalliongrad over here is that they take the worldview that might hold merit in a limit region (Even then it's debatable) and make it worldwide. There is no such thing as "Worldwide White Supremacy". That is just the modern American leftist falling into the same problem any individual of politics from America falls into: Imagining America is the world.


I'd be very curious to hear how China and Japan and Indonesia and Saudi Arabia are currently subjugated under Global White Supremacy
Purgatio is an absolutist hereditary monarchy run as a one-party fascist dictatorship, which seized power in a sudden and abrupt coup d'état of 1987-1988, on an authoritarian eugenic and socially Darwinistic political philosophy and ideology, now ruled and dominated with a brutal iron fist under the watchful reign of Le Grand Roi Chalon-Arlay de la Fayette and La Grande Reine Geneviève de la Fayette (née Aumont) (i.e., the 'Founding Couple' or Le Couple Fondateur).

For a domestic Purgation 'propagandist' view of its role in the world, see: An Introduction to Purgatio.

And for a more 'objective' international perspective on Purgatio's history, culture, and politics, see: A Brief Overview of the History, Politics, and Culture of Le Royaume du Nettoyage de la Purgatio.

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Postby Griemvarant » Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:12 pm

Stalliongrad and Far-Eastern Territories wrote:
Purgatio wrote:
Talk about being self-hating. But even then...wow...I'm speechless.


My dude, I don't know where you got the assumption that I'm white, but it's a pretty ugly assumption.

So instead of just being a self-hating psycho, you're a full-on racist driven by hate. Good to know.
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Postby North German Realm » Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:15 pm

Purgatio wrote:
North German Realm wrote:The problem with hot takes like what we see from Stalliongrad over here is that they take the worldview that might hold merit in a limit region (Even then it's debatable) and make it worldwide. There is no such thing as "Worldwide White Supremacy". That is just the modern American leftist falling into the same problem any individual of politics from America falls into: Imagining America is the world.


I'd be very curious to hear how China and Japan and Indonesia and Saudi Arabia are currently subjugated under Global White Supremacy

I mean, so am I.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:16 pm

North German Realm wrote:
Purgatio wrote:
I'd be very curious to hear how China and Japan and Indonesia and Saudi Arabia are currently subjugated under Global White Supremacy

I mean, so am I.


Worth noting China has a controlling stake in East africa.
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby Frostnia » Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:16 pm

Stalliongrad and Far-Eastern Territories wrote:
Purgatio wrote:
Talk about being self-hating. But even then...wow...I'm speechless.


My dude, I don't know where you got the assumption that I'm white, but it's a pretty ugly assumption.

That's gonna be a yikes from me
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Postby Stalliongrad and Far-Eastern Territories » Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:17 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Stalliongrad and Far-Eastern Territories wrote:
I didn't say population decline. I was specifically talking about the decline in relative power between whites and non-whites. I would like to see the power that comes with being white completely eradicated, as it is power that exists solely through taking it from others, and not by any kind of merit.


What power comes from being white in your opinion? Give an example.


Ok, so this may be a bit out there, but my background is in Philosophy so I hope you'll bear with me.

Throughout history, but the past several centuries in particular, the way in which theoretical approaches to issues are built has been almost wholly the province of rich white men. Because of that, the tools of the enlightenment are built from the position of an external, impersonal, objective subject, prodding at the object of their analysis. This conception of the self leads to a cognitive bias, an assumption that the one-who-observes is metaphysically immune from observation within the confines of the experiment.

Therefore, it is a damn difficult task to break into those narratives with the experience of having been the object, the observed party, and have those experiences and their implications analysed successfully, since the terms of engagement are built around excluding those factors. This is not a problem unique to the race issue.


A far easier example is the power to not be discriminated against by the institutions of power.
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Khadgar wrote:
Randy F Marsh wrote:
most of the communist parties that are out there are incompatible with communism.


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Postby Purgatio » Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:17 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
North German Realm wrote:I mean, so am I.


Worth noting China has a controlling stake in East africa.


Controlling stake? Is East Africa a public company?
Purgatio is an absolutist hereditary monarchy run as a one-party fascist dictatorship, which seized power in a sudden and abrupt coup d'état of 1987-1988, on an authoritarian eugenic and socially Darwinistic political philosophy and ideology, now ruled and dominated with a brutal iron fist under the watchful reign of Le Grand Roi Chalon-Arlay de la Fayette and La Grande Reine Geneviève de la Fayette (née Aumont) (i.e., the 'Founding Couple' or Le Couple Fondateur).

For a domestic Purgation 'propagandist' view of its role in the world, see: An Introduction to Purgatio.

And for a more 'objective' international perspective on Purgatio's history, culture, and politics, see: A Brief Overview of the History, Politics, and Culture of Le Royaume du Nettoyage de la Purgatio.

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Postby Uiiop » Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:17 pm

Purgatio wrote:
Stalliongrad and Far-Eastern Territories wrote:
I didn't say population decline. I was specifically talking about the decline in relative power between whites and non-whites. I would like to see the power that comes with being white completely eradicated, as it is power that exists solely through taking it from others, and not by any kind of merit.


.....what the fuck?

She's fine with someone who's white having power. It's only having power because of race that is the issue.
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Postby Purgatio » Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:18 pm

Stalliongrad and Far-Eastern Territories wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
What power comes from being white in your opinion? Give an example.


Ok, so this may be a bit out there, but my background is in Philosophy so I hope you'll bear with me.

Throughout history, but the past several centuries in particular, the way in which theoretical approaches to issues are built has been almost wholly the province of rich white men. Because of that, the tools of the enlightenment are built from the position of an external, impersonal, objective subject, prodding at the object of their analysis. This conception of the self leads to a cognitive bias, an assumption that the one-who-observes is metaphysically immune from observation within the confines of the experiment.

Therefore, it is a damn difficult task to break into those narratives with the experience of having been the object, the observed party, and have those experiences and their implications analysed successfully, since the terms of engagement are built around excluding those factors. This is not a problem unique to the race issue.


A far easier example is the power to not be discriminated against by the institutions of power.


How does a Han Chinese man in China or an ethnic Japanese/Yamato in Japan suffer discrimination by the "institutions of power"? You spoke of Worldwide White Supremacy, after all.
Purgatio is an absolutist hereditary monarchy run as a one-party fascist dictatorship, which seized power in a sudden and abrupt coup d'état of 1987-1988, on an authoritarian eugenic and socially Darwinistic political philosophy and ideology, now ruled and dominated with a brutal iron fist under the watchful reign of Le Grand Roi Chalon-Arlay de la Fayette and La Grande Reine Geneviève de la Fayette (née Aumont) (i.e., the 'Founding Couple' or Le Couple Fondateur).

For a domestic Purgation 'propagandist' view of its role in the world, see: An Introduction to Purgatio.

And for a more 'objective' international perspective on Purgatio's history, culture, and politics, see: A Brief Overview of the History, Politics, and Culture of Le Royaume du Nettoyage de la Purgatio.

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I'm gonna concede on some of the arguments I was making in the past half hour or so for now on account of the fact that I'm in an emotionally-idiotic state of mind.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:20 pm

Stalliongrad and Far-Eastern Territories wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
What power comes from being white in your opinion? Give an example.


Ok, so this may be a bit out there, but my background is in Philosophy so I hope you'll bear with me.

Throughout history, but the past several centuries in particular, the way in which theoretical approaches to issues are built has been almost wholly the province of rich white men. Because of that, the tools of the enlightenment are built from the position of an external, impersonal, objective subject, prodding at the object of their analysis. This conception of the self leads to a cognitive bias, an assumption that the one-who-observes is metaphysically immune from observation within the confines of the experiment.

Therefore, it is a damn difficult task to break into those narratives with the experience of having been the object, the observed party, and have those experiences and their implications analysed successfully, since the terms of engagement are built around excluding those factors. This is not a problem unique to the race issue.


A far easier example is the power to not be discriminated against by the institutions of power.


What you described is true of all ruling classes and their view of everyone else, and the ruling class of whites has far more in common with the view and cognition of other races of ruling class than anybody else. By acting like these people represent whites, you are no better than someone acting like a greedy Jewish banker represents Jews and how they think, since because they are a Jew, their thought patterns must be sufficiently similar. But obviously, a greedy japanese banker is totally different and not represented by this person and their view.

White people are discriminated against by institutions of power in a number of ways.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:21 pm

Purgatio wrote:
Stalliongrad and Far-Eastern Territories wrote:
Ok, so this may be a bit out there, but my background is in Philosophy so I hope you'll bear with me.

Throughout history, but the past several centuries in particular, the way in which theoretical approaches to issues are built has been almost wholly the province of rich white men. Because of that, the tools of the enlightenment are built from the position of an external, impersonal, objective subject, prodding at the object of their analysis. This conception of the self leads to a cognitive bias, an assumption that the one-who-observes is metaphysically immune from observation within the confines of the experiment.

Therefore, it is a damn difficult task to break into those narratives with the experience of having been the object, the observed party, and have those experiences and their implications analysed successfully, since the terms of engagement are built around excluding those factors. This is not a problem unique to the race issue.


A far easier example is the power to not be discriminated against by the institutions of power.


How does a Han Chinese man in China or an ethnic Japanese/Yamato in Japan suffer discrimination by the "institutions of power"? You spoke of Worldwide White Supremacy, after all.

Expect her to bring up colonialism, and how it still manages to 'push people down', despite coming to an end, and other out of date events.

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:21 pm

Purgatio wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Worth noting China has a controlling stake in East africa.


Controlling stake? Is East Africa a public company?


Democratic capitalist governments are public companies my friend.
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby Uiiop » Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:22 pm

Purgatio wrote:
Stalliongrad and Far-Eastern Territories wrote:
Ok, so this may be a bit out there, but my background is in Philosophy so I hope you'll bear with me.

Throughout history, but the past several centuries in particular, the way in which theoretical approaches to issues are built has been almost wholly the province of rich white men. Because of that, the tools of the enlightenment are built from the position of an external, impersonal, objective subject, prodding at the object of their analysis. This conception of the self leads to a cognitive bias, an assumption that the one-who-observes is metaphysically immune from observation within the confines of the experiment.

Therefore, it is a damn difficult task to break into those narratives with the experience of having been the object, the observed party, and have those experiences and their implications analysed successfully, since the terms of engagement are built around excluding those factors. This is not a problem unique to the race issue.


A far easier example is the power to not be discriminated against by the institutions of power.


How does a Han Chinese man in China or an ethnic Japanese/Yamato in Japan suffer discrimination by the "institutions of power"? You spoke of Worldwide White Supremacy, after all.

World wide while certainly implying a grand scale does not necessarily mean everywhere.
That being said Colorism is a thing.
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Postby Purgatio » Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:22 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
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Controlling stake? Is East Africa a public company?


Democratic capitalist governments are public companies my friend.


Lol you sound a little like a Marxist, just saying
Purgatio is an absolutist hereditary monarchy run as a one-party fascist dictatorship, which seized power in a sudden and abrupt coup d'état of 1987-1988, on an authoritarian eugenic and socially Darwinistic political philosophy and ideology, now ruled and dominated with a brutal iron fist under the watchful reign of Le Grand Roi Chalon-Arlay de la Fayette and La Grande Reine Geneviève de la Fayette (née Aumont) (i.e., the 'Founding Couple' or Le Couple Fondateur).

For a domestic Purgation 'propagandist' view of its role in the world, see: An Introduction to Purgatio.

And for a more 'objective' international perspective on Purgatio's history, culture, and politics, see: A Brief Overview of the History, Politics, and Culture of Le Royaume du Nettoyage de la Purgatio.

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