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Is Fascism Inevitable in the Future of the West?

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The South Falls
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Postby The South Falls » Thu Apr 04, 2019 5:40 pm

Saiwania wrote:Adolf Hitler is my favorite politician. Sure, he's not perfect and made a lot of dumb decisions- but... he was still overall, the best Germany has ever had. His not listening to his generals on the Eastern Front, actually saved the situation a few times. He had the correct broad strategic view in wanting to capture the Caucasus instead of driving straight towards Moscow. Moscow's fall wouldn't have gained anything for the Germans like the capture of oil fields would have. Soviets would simply retreat to Ural mountains and use scorched earth until they recaptured Moscow again if Moscow was taken.

Hitler has politics I'd like to see more of on the world stage, well- asides from being so anti-Jew and anti-Slav when those peoples could've been assets, but raised in a different environment, he'd probably have different priorities in mind that're more relevant and less counterproductive.

The ultimate political leader I can get behind in my mind is someone whom I can call daddy. Someone who can keep me safe, but will tell me what to do within reason.

Yea, the Caucasus strategy was not viable with how virulent Soviet resistance would have become. And anyway, Hitler's tactics for whipping up the masses were useful, though someone else's oratory could have served the same purpose during the depression.
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Postby Saiwania » Thu Apr 04, 2019 5:41 pm

The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:Please improve the quality of your ironic posts only meant to aggravate people before posting them.


I mean it. I can't praise Saddam Hussein as much, because he was objectively speaking- not as militarily successful and thus I'm less impressed by his accomplishments. He didn't conquer Iran and didn't even come close to conquering Saudi Arabia. Had he managed to keep the US on his side, his reign would've been quite a lot better in my eyes. Assad is better for Syria because at least he held on in spite of internal and external opponents trying to push him out.
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Postby Duhon » Thu Apr 04, 2019 5:43 pm

United States of Natan wrote:No. In today's day and age, fascism will always give way to democracy. It may take a while, but it always happens. You cannot have an educated populace deprived of their rights.


Unless that apparently educated populace is fed shit from five onwards.

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Postby The South Falls » Thu Apr 04, 2019 5:43 pm

Saiwania wrote:
The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:Please improve the quality of your ironic posts only meant to aggravate people before posting them.


I mean it. I can't praise Saddam Hussein as much, because he was objectively speaking- not as militarily successful and thus I'm less impressed by his accomplishments. He didn't conquer Iran and didn't even some close to conquering Saudi Arabia. Had he managed to keep the US on his side, his reign would've been quite a lot better in my eyes. Assad is better for Syria because at least he held on in spite of internal and external opponents trying to push him out.

Assad has killed so many people to "hold onto power". At that point, his power is just built on human bones.
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Postby Duhon » Thu Apr 04, 2019 5:45 pm

Saiwania wrote:Adolf Hitler is my favorite politician. Sure, he's not perfect and made a lot of dumb decisions- but... he was still overall, the best Germany has ever had. His not listening to his generals on the Eastern Front, actually saved the situation a few times. He had the correct broad strategic view in wanting to capture the Caucasus instead of driving straight towards Moscow. Moscow's fall wouldn't have gained anything for the Germans like the capture of oil fields would have. Soviets would simply retreat to Ural mountains and use scorched earth until they recaptured Moscow again if Moscow was taken.

Hitler has politics I'd like to see more of on the world stage, well- asides from being so anti-Jew and anti-Slav when those peoples could've been assets, but raised in a different environment, he'd probably have different priorities in mind that're more relevant and less counterproductive.

The ultimate political leader I can get behind in my mind, is someone whom I can call daddy. Someone who can keep me safe, but will tell me what to do within reason.


So you're just flaunting this now huh
Why am I not surprised

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Postby Stalliongrad and Far-Eastern Territories » Thu Apr 04, 2019 5:46 pm

Fascism is only inevitable if Capitalism is not uprooted. Socialism or Barbarism.
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Postby Duhon » Thu Apr 04, 2019 5:47 pm

Stalliongrad and Far-Eastern Territories wrote:Fascism is only inevitable if Capitalism is not uprooted. Socialism or Barbarism.


Dick or dick, take your pick -- or better yet, kick the fuck outta both.

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Postby Pasong Tirad » Thu Apr 04, 2019 5:48 pm

Duhon wrote:
Stalliongrad and Far-Eastern Territories wrote:Fascism is only inevitable if Capitalism is not uprooted. Socialism or Barbarism.


Dick or dick, take your pick -- or better yet, kick the fuck outta both.

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Postby The South Falls » Thu Apr 04, 2019 5:51 pm

Duhon wrote:
Saiwania wrote:Adolf Hitler is my favorite politician. Sure, he's not perfect and made a lot of dumb decisions- but... he was still overall, the best Germany has ever had. His not listening to his generals on the Eastern Front, actually saved the situation a few times. He had the correct broad strategic view in wanting to capture the Caucasus instead of driving straight towards Moscow. Moscow's fall wouldn't have gained anything for the Germans like the capture of oil fields would have. Soviets would simply retreat to Ural mountains and use scorched earth until they recaptured Moscow again if Moscow was taken.

Hitler has politics I'd like to see more of on the world stage, well- asides from being so anti-Jew and anti-Slav when those peoples could've been assets, but raised in a different environment, he'd probably have different priorities in mind that're more relevant and less counterproductive.

The ultimate political leader I can get behind in my mind, is someone whom I can call daddy. Someone who can keep me safe, but will tell me what to do within reason.


So you're just flaunting this now huh
Why am I not surprised

He's had this going for a while.
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Postby Duhon » Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:00 pm

The South Falls wrote:
Duhon wrote:
So you're just flaunting this now huh
Why am I not surprised

He's had this going for a while.


Not this blatant, though.

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Postby Great Minarchistan » Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:04 pm

Stalliongrad and Far-Eastern Territories wrote:Fascism is only inevitable if Capitalism is not uprooted. Socialism or Barbarism.

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Postby Genivaria » Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:14 pm

Saiwania wrote:Adolf Hitler is my favorite politician. Sure, he's not perfect and made a lot of dumb decisions- but... he was still overall, the best Germany has ever had. His not listening to his generals on the Eastern Front, actually saved the situation a few times. He had the correct broad strategic view in wanting to capture the Caucasus instead of driving straight towards Moscow. Moscow's fall wouldn't have gained anything for the Germans like the capture of oil fields would have. Soviets would simply retreat to Ural mountains and use scorched earth until they recaptured Moscow again if Moscow was taken.

Hitler has politics I'd like to see more of on the world stage, well- asides from being so anti-Jew and anti-Slav when those peoples could've been assets, but raised in a different environment, he'd probably have different priorities in mind that're more relevant and less counterproductive.

The ultimate political leader I can get behind in my mind, is someone whom I can call daddy. Someone who can keep me safe, but will tell me what to do within reason.

Putting aside your utter lack of understanding of German history in general the underlined is possibly the most pathetic thing I've ever read.

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Postby Frostnia » Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:17 pm

Valrifell wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:No, they only self-describe themselves as such, and are admired by communists abroad. They magically became non-communist because you say so. :roll:


There's no consensus within Left-Wing circles regarding if the USSR is what everyone had in mind with Communism, and this has been since the start.

Nobody questions whether or not Nazi Germany or Mussolini's Italy were Fascist.

I know more than a few fascists who disassociate themselves with the Nazis
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:23 pm

Saiwania wrote:The ultimate political leader I can get behind in my mind, is someone whom I can call daddy. Someone who can keep me safe, but will tell me what to do within reason.

Having a very heterosexual time, there, Sai?
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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:34 pm

Frostnia wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
There's no consensus within Left-Wing circles regarding if the USSR is what everyone had in mind with Communism, and this has been since the start.

Nobody questions whether or not Nazi Germany or Mussolini's Italy were Fascist.

I know more than a few fascists who disassociate themselves with the Nazis

Well, wouldn't you? I would.
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Postby Frostnia » Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:35 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Frostnia wrote:I know more than a few fascists who disassociate themselves with the Nazis

Well, wouldn't you? I would.

Well yeah, obviously. I was just pointing out that not everybody thinks that NatSocs and fascists are the same.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:41 pm

Valrifell wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:No, they only self-describe themselves as such, and are admired by communists abroad. They magically became non-communist because you say so. :roll:


There's no consensus within Left-Wing circles regarding if the USSR is what everyone had in mind with Communism, and this has been since the start.

Nobody questions whether or not Nazi Germany or Mussolini's Italy were Fascist.


That's from a lack of good faith in debating, not genuine confusion over whether or the USSR was an honest attempt at communism.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:42 pm

If by fascism, you mean whatever third world big man caudilloism eventually takes form when the West's demographics go to shit, then yeah, fascism.
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Postby Duhon » Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:46 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:If by fascism, you mean whatever third world big man caudilloism eventually takes form when the West's demographics go to shit, then yeah, fascism.


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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:46 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:If by fascism, you mean whatever third world big man caudilloism eventually takes form when the West's demographics go to shi*, then yeah, fascism.

1: demographics don't go to crap
2: What are you talking about?
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Postby Bear Stearns » Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:49 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:If by fascism, you mean whatever third world big man caudilloism eventually takes form when the West's demographics go to shi*, then yeah, fascism.

1: demographics don't go to crap
2: What are you talking about?


So demographics never change? Or do they change but all changes are equal and you can't objectively say one demographic mix is superior to another?

Both are stupid.

And I'm talking about the type of corrupt autocracy that's popular in most of the third world. That'll be the future of the West if present trends continue. Best case scenario, we have a government that barely gets by like Russia or Brazil.
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Postby Duhon » Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:52 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:1: demographics don't go to crap
2: What are you talking about?


So demographics never change? Or do they change but all changes are equal and you can't objectively say one demographic mix is superior to another?

Both are stupid.

And I'm talking about the type of corrupt autocracy that's popular in most of the third world. That'll be the future of the West if present trends continue. Best case scenario, we have a government that barely gets by like Russia or Brazil.


We are not the bearers of whatever original sin you ascribe to us for being born in whatever shithole you imagine, dude.

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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:20 pm

Duhon wrote:
Saiwania wrote:Adolf Hitler is my favorite politician. Sure, he's not perfect and made a lot of dumb decisions- but... he was still overall, the best Germany has ever had. His not listening to his generals on the Eastern Front, actually saved the situation a few times. He had the correct broad strategic view in wanting to capture the Caucasus instead of driving straight towards Moscow. Moscow's fall wouldn't have gained anything for the Germans like the capture of oil fields would have. Soviets would simply retreat to Ural mountains and use scorched earth until they recaptured Moscow again if Moscow was taken.

Hitler has politics I'd like to see more of on the world stage, well- asides from being so anti-Jew and anti-Slav when those peoples could've been assets, but raised in a different environment, he'd probably have different priorities in mind that're more relevant and less counterproductive.

The ultimate political leader I can get behind in my mind, is someone whom I can call daddy. Someone who can keep me safe, but will tell me what to do within reason.


So you're just flaunting this now huh
Why am I not surprised


And they say I was a whacko for idolizing Salazar...

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Postby San Lumen » Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:22 pm

Saiwania wrote:Adolf Hitler is my favorite politician. Sure, he's not perfect and made a lot of dumb decisions- but... he was still overall, the best Germany has ever had. His not listening to his generals on the Eastern Front, actually saved the situation a few times. He had the correct broad strategic view in wanting to capture the Caucasus instead of driving straight towards Moscow. Moscow's fall wouldn't have gained anything for the Germans like the capture of oil fields would have. Soviets would simply retreat to Ural mountains and use scorched earth until they recaptured Moscow again if Moscow was taken.

Hitler has politics I'd like to see more of on the world stage, well- asides from being so anti-Jew and anti-Slav when those peoples could've been assets, but raised in a different environment, he'd probably have different priorities in mind that're more relevant and less counterproductive.

The ultimate political leader I can get behind in my mind, is someone whom I can call daddy. Someone who can keep me safe, but will tell me what to do within reason.

Your lack of understanding of history is scary Please tell me your joking calling Hitler the best Germany ever had and with the last sentence.

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Postby Duhon » Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:25 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Duhon wrote:
So you're just flaunting this now huh
Why am I not surprised


And they say I was a whacko for idolizing Salazar...


To be fair, when have I stopped?

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