Is Fascism Inevitable in the Future of the West?

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Moderates are inherently status-quoists.

This r/enlightenedcentrism meme needs to die.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Moderates are inherently status-quoists.

This r/enlightenedcentrism meme needs to die.

Agreed. Centrists don't exist, unless said people just do not follow politics.

[Bear Stearns]

The future of the West is either going to be nationalist hard authoritarianism or neoliberal soft authoritarianism (censorship and thought control carried out by multinational corporations).

[Torrocca]

Moderates are inherently status-quoists.

This r/enlightenedcentrism meme needs to die.

But you're not at all a moderate, being a center-right libertarian, considering you want to bring more social liberty.

[Maydona]

Eventually when the liberal democracies collapse in the west I can easily see them turning towards fascism unfortunately

[Bezkoshtovnya]

Eventually when the liberal democracies collapse in the west I can easily see them turning towards fascism unfortunately

I dont really see that as very plausible. Every now and then the far right may have little surges of popularity here and there but I dont see a cascade of full blown fascist governments coming to be in the west.

[The Black Party]

Yes, Fascism is inevitable. I'm making a bet right now,

In a decade or so, we'll have a Ceasar 2.0 who will march on Rome, just like how Mussolini, Hitler, etc... did. We'll have a fascist state for about 20 to 80 years, then it will collapse after it tries to reject the modern world, and we'll return to democracy, and throughout all of this, throughout everything I predicted, people will still suffer, and an even greater amount of people will still be dissatisfied.

The true cycle of life. Utopia > Dystopia > Utopia > Dystopia > and so on

[Maydona]

Eventually when the liberal democracies collapse in the west I can easily see them turning towards fascism unfortunately

I dont really see that as very plausible. Every now and then the far right may have little surges of popularity here and there but I dont see a cascade of full blown fascist governments coming to be in the west.

Well of course a modern fascist government wouldn't call itself fascist, as it's bad for PR but I don't think it's too outlandish that fascists who use far-right populism will be gaining ground in the next inevitable economic crash.

[Auristania]

I dont really see that as very plausible. Every now and then the far right may have little surges of popularity here and there but I dont see a cascade of full blown fascist governments coming to be in the west.

Well of course a modern fascist government wouldn't call itself fascist, as it's bad for PR but I don't think it's too outlandish that fascists who use far-right populism will be gaining ground in the next inevitable economic crash.

True, they will call themselves an Islamic Government and all the Liberals will adore them.

[San Lumen]

Yes, Fascism is inevitable. I'm making a bet right now,

In a decade or so, we'll have a Ceasar 2.0 who will march on Rome, just like how Mussolini, Hitler, etc... did. We'll have a fascist state for about 20 to 80 years, then it will collapse after it tries to reject the modern world, and we'll return to democracy, and throughout all of this, throughout everything I predicted, people will still suffer, and an even greater amount of people will still be dissatisfied.

The true cycle of life. Utopia > Dystopia > Utopia > Dystopia > and so on

Ok and where is it going to start.

[Cedoria]

One can only wish. Fascism was/is a reaction to the political and social turmoil of the day. Italy had to either die or evolve to survive, and being the strongest, fascists took over.

Still being the weakest power in Europe at the time somehow equals being the strongest?

...OK...

[TURTLESHROOM II]

The US doesn't have a sex.

Ships, machines, computers, automobiles, cities, states, and nations have always been referred to as "she" or "it" in the English language.

Prove [that leftist brainwash non-white Americans into thinking rightists are Klansmen].

Blacks vote ninety percent Democrat despite most blacks opposing abortion, but they vote the party of unrestricted baby killing. Blacks retain the highest rate of religious identity and church attendance, but they vote the party that boos God when He isn't struck from a ceremonial preamble at their convention. Their cities have been one-party zones for sixty years and, despite having crumbled and become murder capitals, they continue to drink the Kool-Aid. Hispanics have a honor culture in the sense of rejecting handouts and boast work ethic exceeding any white man younger than thirty, but nearly two-thirds vote the party of laziness, sloth, blame shifting, anti-personal responsibility, and Marxism. Asians split about fifty-fifty, despite also being traditionally conservative.

This is because the Democrats have long outmaneuvered the GOP in controlling the mainstream media, which is collectively the near-universal public relations firm of the Democratic Party. It's also because Republicans, being the Stupid Party, don't ever try and counter Democrat brainwashing in our schools or televisions. They simply rely on a bloc that is literally dying out and are paying the price.

Prove [that Europe is expected to allow minorities to flood them].

Two words. Angela Merkel.

One sentence. Angela Merkel dumped one million men who refuse to integrate or assimilate, and whose sole allegiance is to a barbaric and uncivilized set of ideals that has no place in the West, on Europe.

Prove that colonization is the reason why Europe can't stay European.

Are you familiar with the term "white guilt"?

Can't have something be in control if it doesn't exist

Are you arguing that a white homeland/point of origination does not exist in the Old World?

That's some nice dehumanization going on there. Wanna time that down?

No. I will not tone down my criticism of a savage and uncivilized set of ideas and practices, even if it rests the mantle of organized religion in its shoulders.

Pretty sure immigrating there shows that they do [have interest in being European].

About as interested as Muhammad had in integrating with Medianite society after the Meccans drove him out.

They are there for the money, the welfare, and the free hand to do whatever they want.. Refugees flee to the nearest place they

Prove it.

Shariah Law and the demands that Muslims be accomodated (e.g. demanding KFC serve Halal meat or threatening violence when an unbeliever draws Muhammad) are two examples. Muslims demand special exemptions and sumptuary accomidations (like a "right" to wear a beard that neither the Qu'ran nor Hadiths explicitly require, or a "right" to LARP in a seventh-century Arab costume despite the Qu'ran and Hadiths only demanding modest dress).

I understand their reasoning and liken it to Red China dumping ethnic Hans on Tibet to displace, replace, and dilute Tibetan identity with the express intent of permanently changing Tibet.

Neglecting a massive migration that meets most standards of invasion (if they had guns) is the same thing, functionally, as the invading force actively settling people into the country to dilute it. In other words, by refusing to turn off the spigot and allow the infinite absorption of every able-bodied adult Muslim man that can get a human smuggler to cross him, they are allowing a non-state actor "colonization", so to speak, of Europe.

Their goal is 1) to get the welfare bucks, and 2) to subvert the society they are in and supplant it with Islam. Muslims have done this for over a thousand years: Muhammad did not initially conquer or subdue Medina when he committed the Hijrah. He came in peacefully and slowly expanded his power base.

It took a long time before Muhammad had the means to come out on top in the Battle of the Trench. While he was outnumbered by the opposing forces, he didn't start with the numbers he did and he certainly didn't have the diplomatic clout to negotiate the coalition against him into falling apart.

Note, the Battle of the Trench was an absolutely brilliant maneuver by Muhammad- who is one of the most brilliant warlords in history -from a strictly military sense, but it would never have happened if the Muslims weren't let into Medina in the first place. That's why I look at the massive Muslim influx into Europe with the same lens that the Medianites failed to see when the Muslims came into their lands. The most successful Islamic victories in history started with infiltration, not invasion. The Hijrah directly lead to the victory in the Battle of the Trench. The metaphorical "Hijrah" of millions of Muslims into Europe is the start of the exact same inevitable victory.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

This r/enlightenedcentrism meme needs to die.

But you're not at all a moderate, being a center-right libertarian, considering you want to bring more social liberty.

I do have strong beliefs about personal liberty, but having strong beliefs doesn't preclude you from being moderate.

[Torrocca]

But you're not at all a moderate, being a center-right libertarian, considering you want to bring more social liberty.

I do have strong beliefs about personal liberty, but having strong beliefs doesn't preclude you from being moderate.

You may be moderate economically (which is still status-quo, since the moderate option is Capitalism), but you're not a total moderate and thus not a total status-quoist because of your socially libertarian beliefs.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Blacks vote ninety percent Democrat despite most blacks opposing abortion, but they vote the party of unrestricted baby killing. Blacks retain the highest rate of religious identity and church attendance, but they vote the party that boos God when He isn't struck from a ceremonial preambleTheir cities have been one-party zones for sixty years and, despite having crumbled and become murder capitals Hispanics have a honor culture in the sense of rejecting handouts and work ethic exceeding any white man younger than thirty, but nearly two-thirds vote the party of laziness, sloth, and Marxism. Asians split about fifty-fifty, despite also being traditionally conservative.

Well now you have to prove that African and Hispanic Americans hold those values. You also have to prove that they belive the right-wing is the KKK.

Angela Merkel dumped one million men who refuse to integrate or assimilate and whose sole allegiance is to a barbaric and uncivilized set of ideals that has no place in the West.

Prove this whole sentence. Also this is 1 country, not all of Europe.

Are you familiar with the term "white guilt"?

Yes. You still haven't proven your claim tho.

Are you arguing that a white homeland/point of origination does not exist in the Old World?

"White" doesn't exist in terms of people.

They are there for the money, the welfare, and the free hand to do whatever they want.

Prove it.

Shariah Law and the demands that Muslims be accomodated

Prove it.

(e.g. threatening violence when an unbeliever draws Muhammad)

https://sunnah.com/bukhari/78/141

Muslims demand special exemptions and sumptuary accomidations

Prove it

(like a "right" to wear a beard that neither the Qu'ran nor Hadiths explicitly require)

https://sunnah.com/urn/629840

Neglecting a massive migration that meets most standards of invasion (if they had guns) is the same thing, functionally, as the invading force actively settling people into the country to dilute it. In other words, by refusing to turn off the spigot and allow the infinite absorption of every able-bodied adult Muslim man that can get a human smuggler to cross him, they are allowing a non-state actor "colonization", so to speak, of Europe.

Yeah no, that's not invasion nor colonisation. Especially not colonisation.

Their goal is 1) to get the welfare bucks, and 2) to subvert the society they are in and supplant it with Islam.

Prove 1 and 2.

Muslims have done this for over a thousand years: Muhammad did not initially conquer or subdue Medina when he committed the Hijrah. He came in peacefully and slowly expanded his power base.

It took a long time before Muhammad had the means to come out on top in the Battle of the Trench. While he was outnumbered by the opposing forces, he didn't start with the numbers he did and he certainly didn't have the diplomatic clout to negotiate the coalition against him into falling apart.

Note, the Battle of the Trench was an absolutely brilliant maneuver by Muhammad- who is one of the most brilliant warlords in history -from a strictly military sense, but it would never have happened if the Muslims weren't let into Medina in the first place. That's why I look at the massive Muslim influx into Europe with the same lens that the Medianites failed to see when the Muslims came into their lands. The most successful Islamic victories in history started with infiltration, not invasion. The Hijrah directly lead to the victory in the Battle of the Trench. The metaphorical "Hijrah" of millions of Muslims into Europe is the start of the exact same inevitable victory.

Well for 1 a lot of the Madinans wanted the Prophet SAWS in the city so your point kinda falls apart. Also those military activities you pointed out are not what is happening here.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

I do have strong beliefs about personal liberty, but having strong beliefs doesn't preclude you from being moderate.

You may be moderate economically (which is still status-quo, since the moderate option is Capitalism), but you're not a total moderate and thus not a total status-quoist because of your socially libertarian beliefs.

I think moderatism has less to do with the strength of beliefs or the centre of the overton window and more to do with how willing you are to comprise.

[Torrocca]

You may be moderate economically (which is still status-quo, since the moderate option is Capitalism), but you're not a total moderate and thus not a total status-quoist because of your socially libertarian beliefs.

I think moderatism has less to do with the strength of beliefs or the centre of the overton window and more to do with how willing you are to comprise.

I mean, I personally disagree on that matter since I see myself as perfectly capable and willing of compromise (within obvious limits to the libertarian left and bits of the libertarian right of the political spectrum, of course) yet don't find my compromise moderate.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

I think moderatism has less to do with the strength of beliefs or the centre of the overton window and more to do with how willing you are to comprise.

I mean, I personally disagree on that matter since I see myself as perfectly capable and willing of compromise (within obvious limits to the libertarian left and bits of the libertarian right of the political spectrum, of course) yet don't find my compromise moderate.

Hmm. Maybe you're right, maybe it's also got a lot to do with where you are in the overton window.

[Torrocca]

I mean, I personally disagree on that matter since I see myself as perfectly capable and willing of compromise (within obvious limits to the libertarian left and bits of the libertarian right of the political spectrum, of course) yet don't find my compromise moderate.

Hmm. Maybe you're right, maybe it's also got a lot to do with where you are in the overton window.

It definitely does. If your politics were the societal norm completely, you'd be a total moderate, but you're not precisely because the overton window isn't currently shifted toward the libertarian half of the political spectrum for the most part.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Hmm. Maybe you're right, maybe it's also got a lot to do with where you are in the overton window.

It definitely does. If your politics were the societal norm completely, you'd be a total moderate, but you're not precisely because the overton window isn't currently shifted toward the libertarian half of the political spectrum for the most part.

I think mainstream western politics is slanted slightly more to the libertarian side of things. Or at least, a lot more people say them lean libertarian than authoritarian.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

The west is more likely to fall to communism than fascism. Fascism is (rightfully) discredited, but unfortunately communism can get away with consecutive failure after consecutive failure.

[Duhon]

The west is more likely to fall to communism than fascism. Fascism is (rightfully) discredited, but unfortunately communism can get away with consecutive failure after consecutive failure.

Who cares what whip you get lashed with? It's still a bloody whip, no matter the add-ons.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

The west is more likely to fall to communism than fascism. Fascism is (rightfully) discredited, but unfortunately communism can get away with consecutive failure after consecutive failure.

Can't fail if you were never tried

[LiberNovusAmericae]

The west is more likely to fall to communism than fascism. Fascism is (rightfully) discredited, but unfortunately communism can get away with consecutive failure after consecutive failure.

Can't fail if you were never tried

Just because the attempt turned to shit does not mean that it wasn't a valid attempt.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Can't fail if you were never tried

Just because the attempt turned to shi* does not mean that it wasn't a valid attempt.

Well you'd have to show when communism was attempted.