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Is Fascism Inevitable in the Future of the West?

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Communal concils
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Postby Communal concils » Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:04 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:Fascism is a failure in an attempt to return to the glory days of Rome and 1800's Prussia.

It'll always fail because they were unstable and their cronyism and conservatism stifled development, led to incompetence, etc.

Blind loyalty to the state is often signs of incompetence and corruption, not the absence of it.

That's why Fascism will fail:

It's very basis is against the very people it claims to protect, and dooms itself to blind ideology and best-case-scenario with very weak mechanics to solve such issues.

As a likely soon-to-be political candidate, I should advise you to prize people who criticize you and oppose you on many issues more than those who blindly say yes. For that drives development.

Fascism-and Authoritarianism for that matter-removes public debate in a way that creates real tension and danger, leading to decadence and lack of reason to reform. This causes economic and social immobility and leads to inevitable collapse.

The very people who want to craft such a state are thus the very reason such a system would fail.




You have a nice criticism of Fascism, but not Authoritarianism.

Authoritarianism is a useful tool in developing a society. In china, democracy solved nothing. No democracy could stop Warlords, backwards social views and constant fighting. Since it was unified under a authoritarian state, it had the chance to compete against powers that once whipped china with Imperialism. In places like Libya, authoritarianism stopped debates and clashes between tribes. What has democracy done for places like Iraq, Afghanistan and India.They are filled with disorder, and the citizens suffer from useless debates with in the state.

Debate exist only for one reason, and that is to show the superiority of your own views. Your enemy criticism is suppose to make you capitulate to their own. In fact, the advantages you said about authoritarianism are more common for democracies.
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Postby Genivaria » Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:04 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:I should also note that if Marxists want to succeed, there needs to be internal competition that drives success, and doesn't come from internal power struggles else the economy will collapse.


They can't succeed either. Marxism is doomed to fail for the same reason that Randism is doomed to fail. It relies on universal harmony of thought without taking the concept of the individual into account.

Indeed, I'm reminded of a George Orwell quote that applies here.
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Postby Communal concils » Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:08 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:I should also note that if Marxists want to succeed, there needs to be internal competition that drives success, and doesn't come from internal power struggles else the economy will collapse.



All you need is consolidation. If you consolidate power, then there isn't any power struggle. People could be assigned seats in government from the leader that gains total control.
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Postby The Black Party » Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:08 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
The Black Party wrote:Funny because society doesn't even have a clear consensus on what fascism even is. Fascism is hiding in the shadows!

Fascism is your mom.

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Postby Genivaria » Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:09 pm

Communal concils wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:I should also note that if Marxists want to succeed, there needs to be internal competition that drives success, and doesn't come from internal power struggles else the economy will collapse.



All you need is consolidation. If you consolidate power, then there isn't any power struggle. People could be assigned seats in government from the leader that gains total control.

An all-powerful executive is not a good thing, unless you want to have purges.

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Postby Communal concils » Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:15 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Communal concils wrote:

All you need is consolidation. If you consolidate power, then there isn't any power struggle. People could be assigned seats in government from the leader that gains total control.

An all-powerful executive is not a good thing, unless you want to have purges.



I believe in a republic in which there are 3 branches of government. The nation will need a constitution and other regulations. However, I do think that a strong executive is needed. I don't see Purges as a bad thing, it just needs to be directed at the right individuals.
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Postby Genivaria » Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:20 pm

Communal concils wrote:
Genivaria wrote:An all-powerful executive is not a good thing, unless you want to have purges.



I believe in a republic in which there are 3 branches of government. The nation will need a constitution and other regulations. However, I do think that a strong executive is needed. I don't see Purges as a bad thing, it just needs to be directed at the right individuals.

You believe alot of contradictory things.

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Postby Greater Carolinas » Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:24 pm

Why is fascism a scary thought? What about it scares you, corporatism, autocracy, autarky, philosophy, what? Genuinely interested in what you fear from it.
Also yeah it's inevitable for the west if you're into hegelian dialectics or some shit
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Postby Communal concils » Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:28 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Communal concils wrote:

I believe in a republic in which there are 3 branches of government. The nation will need a constitution and other regulations. However, I do think that a strong executive is needed. I don't see Purges as a bad thing, it just needs to be directed at the right individuals.

You believe alot of contradictory things.




I believe that the executive needs to be strong, but I don't exactly think it needs unlimited power. The legislative still needs some form of authority, but it's interest shouldn't be far from the executives one. They same can be said about the Judicial branch.
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Become anti-woke, and free yourself from the lies of mainstream corporate consumerist media.you should also become an anti-consumerist and anti-capitalist. Embrace socialism( the command economy is better.)
NOTE: Make Cultural Marxism a Real Thing !

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Postby Byzconia » Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:29 pm

Inevitable? No. Likely? Yes.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:29 pm

Greater Carolinas wrote:Why is fascism a scary thought? What about it scares you, corporatism, autocracy, autarky, philosophy, what? Genuinely interested in what you fear from it.
Also yeah it's inevitable for the west if you're into hegelian dialectics or some shit

Autocracy and genocide is what scares people - including me - the most.
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Postby Kustonia » Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:30 pm

Greater Carolinas wrote:Why is fascism a scary thought? What about it scares you, corporatism, autocracy, autarky, philosophy, what? Genuinely interested in what you fear from it.


I don't fear Fascism, I want it. The collective is strong, the individual is weak. Together, we form an unconquerable army of warriors and combatants.

Je suis fasciste!
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Postby Kustonia » Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:34 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Greater Carolinas wrote:Why is fascism a scary thought? What about it scares you, corporatism, autocracy, autarky, philosophy, what? Genuinely interested in what you fear from it.
Also yeah it's inevitable for the west if you're into hegelian dialectics or some shit

Autocracy and genocide is what scares people the most.


Fascism =/= genocide

Liberalism and Cultural Marxism = genocide
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:34 pm

Kustonia wrote:
Greater Carolinas wrote:Why is fascism a scary thought? What about it scares you, corporatism, autocracy, autarky, philosophy, what? Genuinely interested in what you fear from it.


I don't fear Fascism, I want it. The collective is strong, the individual is weak. Together, we form an unconquerable army of warriors and combatants.

Je suis fasciste!

I question your strength, as you aren't winning elections in my country or even close to gaining power.

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Postby Free Land of The Free Land of Freedo » Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:36 pm

Byzconia wrote:Inevitable? No. Likely? Yes.


Why do you think it is likely?
For: Good things
Against: Bad things

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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:38 pm

Kustonia wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Autocracy and genocide is what scares people the most.


Fascism =/= genocide

Liberalism and Cultural Marxism = genocide

Do I have to link to holocaust pictures? It is an atrocity that happened under fascism.

Also, I'm not a left-wing liberal so you don't have to point out where it is hypocritical. It doesn't justify your ideology's misconduct.

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Postby Kustonia » Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:40 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Kustonia wrote:
Fascism =/= genocide

Liberalism and Cultural Marxism = genocide

Do I have to link to holocaust pictures? It is an atrocity that happened under fascism.

Also, I'm not a left-wing liberal so you don't have to point out where it is hypocritical. It doesn't justify your ideology's misconduct.


Do I have to link to pictures of the Great Depression and Holodomor? I really don't want to.
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Favorite Philosophers/Theoreticians: Plato, Julius Evola, Ernst Jünger, Oswald Spengler, Carl Schmitt, Aleksandr Dugin, Alain De Benoist, Georges Sorel
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Postby Frostnia » Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:40 pm

Communal concils wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:Fascism is a failure in an attempt to return to the glory days of Rome and 1800's Prussia.

It'll always fail because they were unstable and their cronyism and conservatism stifled development, led to incompetence, etc.

Blind loyalty to the state is often signs of incompetence and corruption, not the absence of it.

That's why Fascism will fail:

It's very basis is against the very people it claims to protect, and dooms itself to blind ideology and best-case-scenario with very weak mechanics to solve such issues.

As a likely soon-to-be political candidate, I should advise you to prize people who criticize you and oppose you on many issues more than those who blindly say yes. For that drives development.

Fascism-and Authoritarianism for that matter-removes public debate in a way that creates real tension and danger, leading to decadence and lack of reason to reform. This causes economic and social immobility and leads to inevitable collapse.

The very people who want to craft such a state are thus the very reason such a system would fail.




You have a nice criticism of Fascism, but not Authoritarianism.

Authoritarianism is a useful tool in developing a society. In china, democracy solved nothing. No democracy could stop Warlords, backwards social views and constant fighting. Since it was unified under a authoritarian state, it had the chance to compete against powers that once whipped china with Imperialism. In places like Libya, authoritarianism stopped debates and clashes between tribes. What has democracy done for places like Iraq, Afghanistan and India.They are filled with disorder, and the citizens suffer from useless debates with in the state.

Debate exist only for one reason, and that is to show the superiority of your own views. Your enemy criticism is suppose to make you capitulate to their own. In fact, the advantages you said about authoritarianism are more common for democracies.

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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:42 pm

Kustonia wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Do I have to link to holocaust pictures? It is an atrocity that happened under fascism.

Also, I'm not a left-wing liberal so you don't have to point out where it is hypocritical. It doesn't justify your ideology's misconduct.


Do I have to link to pictures of the Great Depression and Holodomor? I really don't want to.

Go ahead. It wouldn't prove my ideology wrong as I'm not a communist. You are a fascist however, and the holocaust happened under a fascist regime.

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Postby Kustonia » Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:44 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Kustonia wrote:
Do I have to link to pictures of the Great Depression and Holodomor? I really don't want to.

Go ahead. It wouldn't prove my ideology wrong as I'm not a communist. You are a fascist however, and the holocaust happened under a fascist regime.


National Socialism =/= Fascism

The Holocaust is still being investigated and debated.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:44 pm

Kustonia wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Autocracy and genocide is what scares people the most.


Fascism =/= genocide

Liberalism and Cultural Marxism = genocide

I see you still don't know the definition of genocide.
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Postby Genivaria » Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:46 pm

Kustonia wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Go ahead. It wouldn't prove my ideology wrong as I'm not a communist. You are a fascist however, and the holocaust happened under a fascist regime.


National Socialism =/= Fascism

The Holocaust is still being investigated and debated.

How to undermine your own argument in 5 seconds with Kustonia.

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Postby Kustonia » Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:46 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Kustonia wrote:
Fascism =/= genocide

Liberalism and Cultural Marxism = genocide

I see you still don't know the definition of genocide.


Genocide = racial replacement and extermination
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Postby Communal concils » Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:48 pm

Kustonia wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Autocracy and genocide is what scares people the most.


Fascism =/= genocide

Liberalism and Cultural Marxism = genocide



1.What kind of Fascism do you like. Italian fascism or Nazism.

2. Cultural Marxism is a conservative myth. There is no Marxist ruining you civilization, only wimpy Liberals. I wouldn't care if the west dies to such weakness, I would have the same hatred for that system.Liberals and Reactionaries are wrong paths.
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Postby Shrillland » Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:48 pm

Communal concils wrote:
Kustonia wrote:
Fascism =/= genocide

Liberalism and Cultural Marxism = genocide



1.What kind of Fascism do you like. Italian fascism or Nazism.

2. Cultural Marxism is a conservative myth. There is no Marxist ruining you civilization, only wimpy Liberals. I wouldn't care if the west dies to such weakness, I would have the same hatred for that system.Liberals and Reactionaries are wrong paths.


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