Is Fascism Inevitable in the Future of the West?

[Genivaria]

No, it isn't. There are some things that I want to keep private, and I don't need the government snooping on me. Besides, I don't trust the government to decide what's "wrong" (at least in this case). What usually happens is they label any opposition to any of their policies as "subversive" and worthy of punishment. That's oppression.

Why should you be allowed to oppose the government? This is detrimental to the security of the country and can lead to civil unrest or even civil war, which would only serve to destroy lives and homes and bring ruin to the nation.

Yeah that didn't stop hundreds of thousands of German-Jewish WW1 Veterans from being murdered by the country they served.

Indeed that was a very tragic betrayal. But I do not understand what that has to do with Fascism?

If you want to be taken seriously than don't show your ignorance on the history of fascism when you try to exalt its virtues.

[Communal concils]

Democracy shouldn't exist. The Masses need a more effective government.

[San Lumen]

Democracy shouldn't exist. The Masses need a more effective government.

Such as?

[Frostnia]

No, it isn't. There are some things that I want to keep private, and I don't need the government snooping on me. Besides, I don't trust the government to decide what's "wrong" (at least in this case). What usually happens is they label any opposition to any of their policies as "subversive" and worthy of punishment. That's oppression.

Why should you be allowed to oppose the government? This is detrimental to the security of the country and can lead to civil unrest or even civil war, which would only serve to destroy lives and homes and bring ruin to the nation.

Yeah that didn't stop hundreds of thousands of German-Jewish WW1 Veterans from being murdered by the country they served.

Indeed that was a very tragic betrayal. But I do not understand what that has to do with Fascism?

Because without opposition, the government starts to backslide. Think about it on a personal level: kids who get whatever they want without criticism or control generally become bad, wasteful, people. Same principle applies with governments. You seem to think that a fascist government would never go against its people, even though essentially every single one has. People are fallible. Without something to push back on them, they lose their humanity.

It has everything to do with fascism. Unless, of course, you don't think the Nazis were fascist?

[Liriena]

Democracy shouldn't exist. The Masses need a more effective government.

"the masses"

[Badb Catha]

There was only one Fascist regime, and it was destroyed by war. A war it did not start, even.

I'm assuming you're referring to Mussolini's Italy. They may not have started the war, but they participated in it when the option of sitting out was available as Franco's Spain (a regime often considered fascist) proved.

Why does that matter? The statement is true all the same.

Because that statement can easily become not true or twisted to not include you by an all-powerful government.

That is true. Adolf Hitler was not a trustworthy person, but Mussolini would have had to have foresight to have known that. He did not, unfortunately, and so ensured Italy's demise in the process. Spain under Francisco Franco was not Fascist. The Falangists were, but Franco was not. He was a conservative who shared the nationalist ideals of the Spanish Fascists but not their ideology. He was, ultimately, an opportunist and his reign is rather disappointing as a result; though still better than modern Spain.

The idea that the government would abuse such a statement to further an ulterior motive is a worst case scenario. So long as the ruling party is filled with true ideologues, it should not be a concern.

[New Excalibus]

You'll have to take my freedom out of my cold dead hands, Soviet.

Kidding, Kidding.
But I personally think fascism is unlikely. I mean, if there's one thing the West can agree on, it's that freedom is cool. I doubt that the West will become some post-apocalyptic wasteland where the government controls everything. Also, we love money. Capitalism gives us money. And food. *glances at joseph stalin*

[Communal concils]

Democracy shouldn't exist. The Masses need a more effective government.

Such as?

A strong and centralize Socialist state run by one party.A state that exist solely to advance the economy and to prevent any forces from destroying that system.

[Saiwania]

You act like there is some mass conspiracy against white people. There isnt.

The net effect of globalization and liberalism is still the majority White countries becoming diverse and not majority White anymore. Which is what ultimately fills me with paranoia and fear for the future. It doesn't help that my racial group has no shortage of traitors in my view, who'll sell out the concept of White nations for short term economic gain.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Democracy shouldn't exist. The Masses need a more effective government.

Such as?

Khilaafah/Islamic government

[San Lumen]

Such as?

A strong and centralize Socialist state run by one party.A state that exist solely to advance the economy and to prevent any forces from destroying that system.

Go ask someone from Egypt, Eritrea, Belarus, Sudan or Uzbekistan who wonderful that is.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

As for the OP, no, I do not believe that fascism is going to be the future of the West. With that said, Allahu A'lam (Allah SWT knows best) and if that happens in my lifetime, Imma make hijrah.

[San Lumen]

You act like there is some mass conspiracy against white people. There isnt.

The net effect of globalization and liberalism is still the majority White countries becoming diverse and not majority White anymore. Which is what ultimately fills me with paranoia and fear for the future. It doesn't help that my racial group has no shortage of traitors in my view, who'll sell out the concept of White nations for short term economic gain.

Once again who cares!!!! Why does it give you paranoia and fear? Someone who is black is no different from you other than their skin color.

Again who cares!!!!! Why is this so important to you that you'd be willing to sacrifice a free country for racial purity?

Race is a social construct. Scientifically it does not exist. The reason some people are darker than others is due to the amount and angle of the sunlight hence why someone from Sudan or Vietnam is going to be darker than someone in Briton.

I may have oversimplified it a bit but that's the gist.

[Communal concils]

Democracy shouldn't exist. The Masses need a more effective government.

"the masses"

Western society is filled with ignorance. Hedonism, pointless conspiracies and worship of the rich .

[El-Amin Caliphate]

A strong and centralize Socialist state run by one party.A state that exist solely to advance the economy and to prevent any forces from destroying that system.

Go ask someone from Egypt, Eritrea, Belarus, Sudan or Uzbekistan who wonderful that is.

Those countries aren't socialist.

[Frostnia]

Such as?

A strong and centralize Socialist state run by one party.A state that exist solely to advance the economy and to prevent any forces from destroying that system.

That's funny, because that kind of government tanks the state it controls

[San Lumen]

Go ask someone from Egypt, Eritrea, Belarus, Sudan or Uzbekistan who wonderful that is.

Those countries aren't socialist.

A one party state never works out very well. It very quickly becomes oppressive. What about North Korea?

[Badb Catha]

Why should you be allowed to oppose the government? This is detrimental to the security of the country and can lead to civil unrest or even civil war, which would only serve to destroy lives and homes and bring ruin to the nation.

Because shit governments deserve opposition. Preventing it from being expressed peacefully doesn't remove the opposition. In fact, it could make the opposition violent.

If you do not agree with the government, then change it peacefully through legal means. If that is not possible, then leave the country. It is that simple.

Why should you be allowed to oppose the government? This is detrimental to the security of the country and can lead to civil unrest or even civil war, which would only serve to destroy lives and homes and bring ruin to the nation.



Indeed that was a very tragic betrayal. But I do not understand what that has to do with Fascism?

If you want to be taken seriously than don't show your ignorance on the history of fascism when you try to exalt its virtues.

If you are alluding to something you will have to clarify what that is.

Democracy shouldn't exist. The Masses need a more effective government.

Such as?

A single-party authoritarian republic.

Why should you be allowed to oppose the government? This is detrimental to the security of the country and can lead to civil unrest or even civil war, which would only serve to destroy lives and homes and bring ruin to the nation.



Indeed that was a very tragic betrayal. But I do not understand what that has to do with Fascism?

Because without opposition, the government starts to backslide. Think about it on a personal level: kids who get whatever they want without criticism or control generally become bad, wasteful, people. Same principle applies with governments. You seem to think that a fascist government would never go against its people, even though essentially every single one has. People are fallible. Without something to push back on them, they lose their humanity.

It has everything to do with fascism. Unless, of course, you don't think the Nazis were fascist?

I am aware of the fallibility of people; that is why I oppose the mob rule intrinsic to liberal democracy. Tell me: why do you think a small concentration of individuals chosen by merit with all the power of the state is less desirable than the entire population of a country - which would include all manner of Fifth Columnists and just in general ignorant or misinformed people - with that same power?

It is not a matter of thought, but a matter of fact. National Socialism had many good ideas and ultimately can be traced back to Fascism proper, but it distinct from Fascism due to it's inherent struggle being based not in spirit, but in genetics. It was spiritually hollow; materialistic; godless. This is physicality is what separates it from metaphysical Fascism.

[Communal concils]

A strong and centralize Socialist state run by one party.A state that exist solely to advance the economy and to prevent any forces from destroying that system.

Go ask someone from Egypt, Eritrea, Belarus, Sudan or Uzbekistan who wonderful that is.

I don't think those are the best examples.

Democracy and liberalism are only valued in the west because people are told to. In every society, people will have views that favor the government( until disaster happens). So in all those nations, people will say it's great. They wouldn't publicly complain, but political turmoil can change their minds.

[Badb Catha]

Such as?

A strong and centralize Socialist state run by one party.A state that exist solely to advance the economy and to prevent any forces from destroying that system.

A Socialist State does not exist to solely advance the economy, that is a Capitalist State. You are right about strength and centralization, but neither Socialism nor Capitalism is the proper route.

Such as?

Khilaafah/Islamic government

This is not universally effective, which is what he was referring to. Islamic theocracy would fail to function outside of a Muslim-majority country.

The net effect of globalization and liberalism is still the majority White countries becoming diverse and not majority White anymore. Which is what ultimately fills me with paranoia and fear for the future. It doesn't help that my racial group has no shortage of traitors in my view, who'll sell out the concept of White nations for short term economic gain.

Once again who cares!!!! Why does it give you paranoia and fear? Someone who is black is no different from you other than their skin color.

Again who cares!!!!! Why is this so important to you that you'd be willing to sacrifice a free country for racial purity?

Race is a social construct. Scientifically it does not exist. The reason some people are darker than others is due to the amount and angle of the sunlight hence why someone from Sudan or Vietnam is going to be darker than someone in Briton.

I may have oversimplified it a bit but that's the gist.

This is not entirely true. Races can be distinguish by bone structure; it is how law enforcement identifies a deceased person's race. The same science can be used to identify sex, as well.

"the masses"

Western society is filled with ignorance. Hedonism, pointless conspiracies and worship of the rich .

This is true, and why Fascism is needed now more than ever.

Those countries aren't socialist.

A one party state never works out very well. It very quickly becomes oppressive. What about North Korea?

North Korea is not a one-party state, it is an autocratic dynastic state.

[Communal concils]

Those countries aren't socialist.

A one party state never works out very well. It very quickly becomes oppressive. What about North Korea?

Every society is oppressive to someone.

As for North Korea, they will change overtime. However, international sanctions hinder this.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Sooo when does the "shooting at eachother" bit start?

[Frostnia]

Because without opposition, the government starts to backslide. Think about it on a personal level: kids who get whatever they want without criticism or control generally become bad, wasteful, people. Same principle applies with governments. You seem to think that a fascist government would never go against its people, even though essentially every single one has. People are fallible. Without something to push back on them, they lose their humanity.

It has everything to do with fascism. Unless, of course, you don't think the Nazis were fascist?

I am aware of the fallibility of people; that is why I oppose the mob rule intrinsic to liberal democracy. Tell me: why do you think a small concentration of individuals chosen by merit with all the power of the state is less desirable than the entire population of a country - which would include all manner of Fifth Columnists and just in general ignorant or misinformed people - with that same power?

It is not a matter of thought, but a matter of fact. National Socialism had many good ideas and ultimately can be traced back to Fascism proper, but it distinct from Fascism due to it's inherent struggle being based not in spirit, but in genetics. It was spiritually hollow; materialistic; godless. This is physicality is what separates it from metaphysical Fascism.

Who chooses them? How do we know they're going to have merit? What's to stop a government that can't be criticized from abusing its power? Sure, democracy isn't perfect. It's just the least bad system. Overall, people better know what's best for them than some people whose merit is uncertain.

So? It still has the structure of fascism. It still betrayed its own people. Lest you forget that the Italians introduced anti-Semitic laws and handed over its Jewish population to the Nazis

[El-Amin Caliphate]

This is not universally effective, which is what he was referring to. Islamic theocracy would fail to function outside of a Muslim-majority country.

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[Frostnia]

A one party state never works out very well. It very quickly becomes oppressive. What about North Korea?

Every society is oppressive to someone.

As for North Korea, they will change overtime. However, international sanctions hinder this.

North Korea is oppressive to everyone. I don't think even the most disadvantaged westerner has it worse than a North Korean citizen. Not only that, but lifting sanctions would legitimize the government and cement their control even further over the populace