by Aureumterra » Sat Mar 30, 2019 8:36 am
by The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket » Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:42 am
by San Lumen » Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:47 am
The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket wrote:Liberal democracy is perhaps unaffordable, but fascism remains far too much of a fringe for it to get the support it would need to seize power.
by The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket » Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:56 am
San Lumen wrote:The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket wrote:Liberal democracy is perhaps unaffordable, but fascism remains far too much of a fringe for it to get the support it would need to seize power.
The said the same thing about Germany in the 1930s. Or that fringe far right groups would never take power again. They did in Hungary
by Washington Resistance Army » Sat Mar 30, 2019 10:01 am
by Hanafuridake » Sat Mar 30, 2019 10:02 am
Suriyanakhon's alt, finally found my old account's password李贽 wrote:There is nothing difficult about becoming a sage, and nothing false about transcending the world of appearances.
by The Xenopolis Confederation » Sat Mar 30, 2019 10:03 am
Washington Resistance Army wrote:I'm fairly convinced that western civilization is on track for a socialist/communist vs fascist showdown as people on both sides sink more and more into extremism.
by Ifreann » Sat Mar 30, 2019 10:06 am
Washington Resistance Army wrote:I'm fairly convinced that western civilization is on track for a socialist/communist vs fascist showdown as people on both sides sink more and more into extremism.
by Valrifell » Sat Mar 30, 2019 10:06 am
Washington Resistance Army wrote:I'm fairly convinced that western civilization is on track for a socialist/communist vs fascist showdown as people on both sides sink more and more into extremism.
by North German Realm » Sat Mar 30, 2019 10:07 am
5 Nov, 2020
Die Morgenpost: "We will reconsider our relationship with Poland" Reichskanzler Lagenmauer says after Polish president protested North German ultimatum that made them restore reproductive freedom. | European Society votes not to persecute Hungary for atrocities committed against Serbs, "Giving a rogue state leave to commit genocide as it sees fit." North German delegate bemoans. | Negotiations still underway in Rome, delegates arguing over the extent of indemnities Turkey might be made to pay, lawful status of Turkish collaborators during occupation of Azerbaijan, Cyprus, Syria.
by LiberNovusAmericae » Sat Mar 30, 2019 10:08 am
by Ifreann » Sat Mar 30, 2019 10:09 am
North German Realm wrote:While calling everyone you disagree with fascist has been the national past time of almost everyone in the West ever since 1939, I'm not quite certain it is going to make a legitimate return. What we should fear about is Free Market Capitalists with Traditional-Authoritarian tendencies and a lack of care for humans, humanity, or human rights.
by Saiwania » Sat Mar 30, 2019 10:11 am
by Israeli Defense Force » Sat Mar 30, 2019 10:11 am
by North German Realm » Sat Mar 30, 2019 10:12 am
Ifreann wrote:North German Realm wrote:While calling everyone you disagree with fascist has been the national past time of almost everyone in the West ever since 1939, I'm not quite certain it is going to make a legitimate return. What we should fear about is Free Market Capitalists with Traditional-Authoritarian tendencies and a lack of care for humans, humanity, or human rights.
Fascism has been pretending not to be fascism since five minutes after someone thought that a fasces would look cool on a flag.
5 Nov, 2020
Die Morgenpost: "We will reconsider our relationship with Poland" Reichskanzler Lagenmauer says after Polish president protested North German ultimatum that made them restore reproductive freedom. | European Society votes not to persecute Hungary for atrocities committed against Serbs, "Giving a rogue state leave to commit genocide as it sees fit." North German delegate bemoans. | Negotiations still underway in Rome, delegates arguing over the extent of indemnities Turkey might be made to pay, lawful status of Turkish collaborators during occupation of Azerbaijan, Cyprus, Syria.
by Internationalist Bastard » Sat Mar 30, 2019 10:12 am
by Friently » Sat Mar 30, 2019 10:12 am
✠ "It May not be the friendly way, but it sure is the Friently way" ✠
-Bryan von Friently VII, Emperor of the Grand Friently Empire
by Valrifell » Sat Mar 30, 2019 10:15 am
North German Realm wrote:While calling everyone you disagree with fascist has been the national past time of almost every country in the West ever since 1946, I'm not quite certain it is going to make a legitimate return. What we should fear about is Free Market Capitalists with Traditional-Authoritarian tendencies and a lack of care for humans, humanity, or human rights.
by El-Amin Caliphate » Sat Mar 30, 2019 10:15 am
Friently wrote:Very well possible, i have for years believed that democracy at its base just weakens nations due to the sheer inability of people to make good reasonable choices (not a fascist just believe an alternative is needed). But this is not the thread for that, the point being that i notice that more and more people are partially getting the same belief. This due to the rampant radicalization from one side causing the other side to radicalize as well in an effort to prevent the other side from winning.
As well as a big reason being that governments are totally out of touch with the people.
Example here in the Netherlands, i've been working with lower/middle class people for some time and have heard their ideas and opinions.
People voted moderately for a balanced perspective.
They wanted less immigration, the last election the parties said they would stop immigration yet when elected were responsible for the largest influx ever. The people outraged.
Immigrants wanted to ban a century old children celebration for no valid reason whatsoever, their entire argument residing on misinformation and lies. The people love the celebration and the government allowed protesters to ruin celebrations for children by protesting and chanting right in the middle, massively angering the people. Some people blocked their entrance into the city where the festivities were happening to prevent them from ruining childrens childhoods. These people praised them as heroes, the government arrested all of them and some face years in prison. This utterly outraged people to the max.
Radicalised ISIS members want to come crawling back now the khalifate is crushed. Most people want to, and i quote "neckshot them all" for the things they did in Syria and why they did it. this may be going a bit far but refusing entry to literal terrorists is more than they deserve i'd say.
The government says they might be planning to give them free housing and put them under watch, utterly outraging the people.
The energy prices are ever rising due to the constant environmental policies that keep being signed despite others poluting much more than us. People want the prices down, gov keeps having them raised in the name of the environment. Again angering the populacy massively.
So is it really so strange that people swing to the extremes in the face of these actions?
Friently wrote:Immigrants wanted to ban a century old children celebration
https://americanvision.org/948/theonomy-vs-theocracy/ wrote:God’s law cannot govern a nation where God’s law does not rule in the hearts of the people
Plaetopia wrote:Partly Free / Hybrid regime (score 4-6) El-Amin Caliphate (5.33)
by North German Realm » Sat Mar 30, 2019 10:16 am
Valrifell wrote:North German Realm wrote:While calling everyone you disagree with fascist has been the national past time of almost every country in the West ever since 1946, I'm not quite certain it is going to make a legitimate return. What we should fear about is Free Market Capitalists with Traditional-Authoritarian tendencies and a lack of care for humans, humanity, or human rights.
So we shouldn't be worried about Fascists but we should be worried about corporatist authoritarians with a disregard for human life and little empathy in their ideology?
So fascists. We should be worried about fascists.
5 Nov, 2020
Die Morgenpost: "We will reconsider our relationship with Poland" Reichskanzler Lagenmauer says after Polish president protested North German ultimatum that made them restore reproductive freedom. | European Society votes not to persecute Hungary for atrocities committed against Serbs, "Giving a rogue state leave to commit genocide as it sees fit." North German delegate bemoans. | Negotiations still underway in Rome, delegates arguing over the extent of indemnities Turkey might be made to pay, lawful status of Turkish collaborators during occupation of Azerbaijan, Cyprus, Syria.
by San Lumen » Sat Mar 30, 2019 10:18 am
Saiwania wrote:I'm all for it. I crave a uniform and some authority. Failing that, a guaranteed job as a citizen via the state giving me assignments and telling me what to do (if I can get at least a bearable wage). None of this resume competition and I don't need to vote anymore, so civics will be far easier. Just know your role and obey.
Also, anti-democratic ideals don't come about because "people are divided." It comes about because of primarily either economic problems such as a "Great Depression" or because of the failures of mainstream democratic parties on the issue of immigration or societal backlash to the direction it is heading in.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/ar ... ch/583252/
Here is the best most insightful article I've found on immigration to date. While it's true that plenty of people are tolerant of different people moving into their country, there is at least a limit to where if there is too much- they lose patience with it and get behind closing that immigration off, if not to go more authoritarian to preserve what they have, because of the problems mass immigration and globalism brings.
by The Xenopolis Confederation » Sat Mar 30, 2019 10:18 am
Internationalist Bastard wrote:I think dictatorship is inevitable
What kind is more about what idealogy is in vogue at the time
by Friently » Sat Mar 30, 2019 10:18 am
✠ "It May not be the friendly way, but it sure is the Friently way" ✠
-Bryan von Friently VII, Emperor of the Grand Friently Empire
by Valrifell » Sat Mar 30, 2019 10:18 am
North German Realm wrote:Valrifell wrote:
So we shouldn't be worried about Fascists but we should be worried about corporatist authoritarians with a disregard for human life and little empathy in their ideology?
So fascists. We should be worried about fascists.
Corporatocrat authoritarians, actually, which are not fascists but a whole different kind of beast altogether.
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