Brunei plans to pass law to stone homosexuals

[Kragholm Free States]

Unless you can provide some substantial evidence that homosexuality objectively warrants punishment of any kind, let alone 100 lashes, your words are also nothing more than opinion.

It came from Allah SWT, science not an opinion.
But even if it didn't, this could be turned around as well. People going against a punishment for illegal sexual intercourse - or any punishment for any crime whatsoever - are going off of opinions, at least from a kufr (disbelief) perspective.

So your opinion hinges on a being who you can't prove is real. And you wonder why people object to you advocating bodily harm based on that? The burden is on you to prove that an act is immoral and worthy of punishment; until you successfully do so the default perspective is that it is not immoral and does not deserve punishment.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

It came from Allah SWT, science not an opinion.
But even if it didn't, this could be turned around as well. People going against a punishment for illegal sexual intercourse - or any punishment for any crime whatsoever - are going off of opinions, at least from a kufr (disbelief) perspective.

So your opinion hinges on a being who you can't prove is real.

Who said I couldn't prove Allah SWT?

And you wonder why people object to you advocating bodily harm based on that?

No, I don't.

The burden is on you to prove that an act is immoral and worthy of punishment; until you successfully do so the default perspective is that it is not immoral and does not deserve punishment.

Ok, insha-Allah (if Allah SWT wills) I will.

[Kragholm Free States]

So your opinion hinges on a being who you can't prove is real.

Who said I couldn't prove Allah SWT?

And you wonder why people object to you advocating bodily harm based on that?

No, I don't.

The burden is on you to prove that an act is immoral and worthy of punishment; until you successfully do so the default perspective is that it is not immoral and does not deserve punishment.

Ok, insha-Allah (if Allah SWT wills) I will.

Do it then. Show me Allah "SWT". Pray to him to pop round my house, if he shows up I'll happily make him a cup of tea and then go out and start whipping gays.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Who said I couldn't prove Allah SWT?

No, I don't.

Ok, insha-Allah (if Allah SWT wills) I will.

Do it then. Show me Allah "SWT". Pray to him to pop round my house, if he shows up I'll happily make him a cup of tea and then go out and start whipping gays.

1: Why you think Allah SWT world like that idk
2: If you think you can walk out your house or wherever you are right now and start whipping homosexuals you have another thing coming for you.

[Kragholm Free States]

Do it then. Show me Allah "SWT". Pray to him to pop round my house, if he shows up I'll happily make him a cup of tea and then go out and start whipping gays.

1: Why you think Allah SWT world like that idk
2: If you think you can walk out your house or wherever you are right now and start whipping homosexuals you have another thing coming for you.

How does he work then? Surely if whipping gays is sanctioned by Allah himself, he would protect me if I were to do so. After all, I would merely be executing his will, would I not?

[El-Amin Caliphate]

1: Why you think Allah SWT world like that idk
2: If you think you can walk out your house or wherever you are right now and start whipping homosexuals you have another thing coming for you.

How does he work then? Surely if whipping gays is sanctioned by Allah himself, he would protect me if I were to do so. After all, I would merely be executing his will, would I not?

No you would not, not in the way Allah SWT has intended.

[Kragholm Free States]

How does he work then? Surely if whipping gays is sanctioned by Allah himself, he would protect me if I were to do so. After all, I would merely be executing his will, would I not?

No you would not, not in the way Allah SWT has intended.

Well then, perhaps Allah had better manifest himself before me and teach me the correct technique for whipping gays. Unless, of course, he isn't real, and whipping gays is actually a bad thing to do?

[New Legland]

How does he work then? Surely if whipping gays is sanctioned by Allah himself, he would protect me if I were to do so. After all, I would merely be executing his will, would I not?

No you would not, not in the way Allah SWT has intended.

Then indulge us. In what way does Allah intend for us to harm gay people?

[Senkaku]

So your opinion hinges on a being who you can't prove is real.

Who said I couldn't prove Allah SWT?

There isn't a person alive who can prove or disprove the existence of a god so just drop it lol

I suggest boycott. It is countries like the USA who are propping the Sultan on Brunei up, so I think Americans should take to the streets and push pressure on the U.S. to cut ties.

well george clooney/hollywood/white liberal #NastyWoman gang has decided that the best way to pressure the regime is to not stay at the Meurice any more, the Vice President is probably going to be jerking off to stoning porn shortly, and most Americans couldn't find Brunei on a map if you gave them a billion dollars and ten years to look for it, so sadly this will not happen

But yes, we should be doing that :/

[Andsed]

Lashing people is still f*cked up, Amin, or did your Q'uran not get the memo?

No, it didn't get the memo of opinions.

So how exactly is whipping people causing them extreme pain if not maiming or even killing them because they had consensual sex which harms really no one else not fucked up? Just because Islam says something is okay does not mean it is.

[Novus America]

No, it didn't get the memo of opinions.

So how exactly is whipping people causing them extreme pain if not maiming or even killing them because they had consensual sex which harms really no one else not fucked up? Just because Islam says something is okay does not mean it is.

The issue is you are using proper reasoning. However Islamist reasoning is perfectly circular. It is exactly based on “Islam says it is good so it must be good because Islam is good”.
Obviously this is a logical fallacy but reasoning with someone using perfectly circular reasoning is basically impossible.

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[Inkopolitia]

Lashing people is still f*cked up, Amin, or did your Q'uran not get the memo?

No, it didn't get the memo of opinions.

I don't give a damn about your book or any other (religious) book, trying to control someone's life and behavior using shitty excuses (Of which religion is included) is simply wrong.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

No you would not, not in the way Allah SWT has intended.

Then indulge us. In what way does Allah intend for us to harm gay people?

Have a court of law and 4 witnesses to the crime, for starters. Btw this punishment extends to all forms of zina (illegal sexual intercourse), like fornication, adultery, bestiality, rape, incest.

[Duhon]

Lashing people is still f*cked up, Amin, or did your Q'uran not get the memo?

No, it didn't get the memo of opinions.

Then you're no better than Hassanal Bolkiah, or I daresay most of his subjects. You, like him, treat homosexuality as an abomination. You, like him, would punish those found to be gay. But unlike him, not only do you insist on keeping to the letter of the law, not just the spirit, but think yourself merciful by subjecting people to pain and misery, to ostracism and far worse.

[Duhon]

Then indulge us. In what way does Allah intend for us to harm gay people?

Have a court of law and 4 witnesses to the crime, for starters. Btw this punishment extends to all forms of zina (illegal sexual intercourse), like fornication, adultery, bestiality, rape, incest.

Still fucked up.

[Gormwood]

No, it didn't get the memo of opinions.

Then you're no better than Hassanal Bolkiah, or I daresay most of his subjects. You, like him, treat homosexuality as an abomination. You, like him, would punish those found to be gay. But unlike him, not only do you insist on keeping to the letter of the law, not just the spirit, but think yourself merciful by subjecting people to pain and misery, to ostracism and far worse.

Wonder what skeletons could be in that closet.

[Gormwood]

Have a court of law and 4 witnesses to the crime, for starters. Btw this punishment extends to all forms of zina (illegal sexual intercourse), like fornication, adultery, bestiality, rape, incest.

Still fucked up.

I'd like to know in what world every crime has exactly 4 witnesses that will not make shit up.

[Duhon]

Then you're no better than Hassanal Bolkiah, or I daresay most of his subjects. You, like him, treat homosexuality as an abomination. You, like him, would punish those found to be gay. But unlike him, not only do you insist on keeping to the letter of the law, not just the spirit, but think yourself merciful by subjecting people to pain and misery, to ostracism and far worse.

Wonder what skeletons could be in that closet.

Who cares? He's awful now as it is.

[Andsed]

Then indulge us. In what way does Allah intend for us to harm gay people?

Have a court of law and 4 witnesses to the crime, for starters. Btw this punishment extends to all forms of zina (illegal sexual intercourse), like fornication, adultery, bestiality, rape, incest.

Sex between two consenting adults is not a bad thing and should not be a crime period.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

No, it didn't get the memo of opinions.

Then you're no better than Hassanal Bolkiah, or I daresay most of his subjects. You, like him, treat homosexuality as an abomination. You, like him, would punish those found to be gay. But unlike him, not only do you insist on keeping to the letter of the law, not just the spirit, but think yourself merciful by subjecting people to pain and misery, to ostracism and far worse.

>"You, like him, would punish those found to be gay."
This is false.

[Andsed]

Then you're no better than Hassanal Bolkiah, or I daresay most of his subjects. You, like him, treat homosexuality as an abomination. You, like him, would punish those found to be gay. But unlike him, not only do you insist on keeping to the letter of the law, not just the spirit, but think yourself merciful by subjecting people to pain and misery, to ostracism and far worse.

>"You, like him, would punish those found to be gay."
This is false.

Oh so you don't want to punish people with lashes for having homosexual sex? Nice to clear that up

[Gormwood]

Wonder what skeletons could be in that closet.

Who cares? He's awful now as it is.

The people who scream the loudest about piety, purity and such tend to keep secrets that are often hypocritical. Take Republican politicians preaching "family values".

[The South Falls]

>"You, like him, would punish those found to be gay."
This is false.

Oh so you don't want to punish people with lashes for having homosexual sex? Nice to clear that up

Much better than literal death.

[Andsed]

Oh so you don't want to punish people with lashes for having homosexual sex? Nice to clear that up

Much better than literal death.

I mean sure lashes are a bit better than stoning but that is like saying North Korea is better than Nazi Germany. Both are awful one just happens to be slightly better than the other.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

>"You, like him, would punish those found to be gay."
This is false.

Oh so you don't want to punish people with lashes for having homosexual sex? Nice to clear that up

Show me where I said that.