Brunei plans to pass law to stone homosexuals

[Yusseria]

Jews do. But do Muslims have a great deal of influence?

They certainly do in the UK, considering that they got some local schools to stop teaching something on the basis that it conflicts with Islam...

Well, that's the UK and the UK is pretty pathetic these days.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

I think someone needs to tell Brunei that the middle ages are over.


>nearly 3 and a half millions muslims in the US.
>Ostro: almost no muslims in US.

...wut?

The US has a staggering population of 327 millions. 3 million in 327 is near to nothing.

Saying there's almost no muslims in the US implies there's only a few thousand or tens of thousands. 3 and a half million more significant than "next to nothing".

[Far Easter Republic]

This is horrifying. Criminalising homosexuality is bad enough, but public stoning?

Great. Brunei is becoming the Saudi Arabia of the Orient.

[Astoriya]

This is horrifying. Criminalising homosexuality is bad enough, but public stoning?

Great. Brunei is becoming the Saudi Arabia of the Orient.

but as said, they will never put it into practice - I think it's all a ruse
"Look? Saudi Arabia seems to be doing well with the west - let's be like them, but never actually do what they do!"
which obv didn't work

[Far Easter Republic]

Great. Brunei is becoming the Saudi Arabia of the Orient.

but as said, they will never put it into practice - I think it's all a ruse
"Look? Saudi Arabia seems to be doing well with the west - let's be like them, but never actually do what they do!"
which obv didn't work

It looks like Brunei is on the freeway, though.

[Astoriya]

but as said, they will never put it into practice - I think it's all a ruse
"Look? Saudi Arabia seems to be doing well with the west - let's be like them, but never actually do what they do!"
which obv didn't work

It looks like Brunei is on the freeway, though.

On the freeway to what, exactly?

[The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket]

Saudi Arabia's Wahhabism is what most people point to for their "proof" that all of Islam is barbaric and evil while conflating all other Muslims including the ones assimilated in the West with them. But as long as the U.S. gives a special pass to the House of Saud the way Ostroeuropa likes to complain the West gives the average Muslims, true Islamic reform on a national, much less global scale isn't happening.

And on a side note, it turns out the Saudis hacked into Jeff Bezos's personal information and passed it on to try and shame him out of public life.

Bezos Investigation Finds the Saudis Obtained His Private Data

There's almost no muslims in the US. The supermajority have a particular tendency toward wahabism and salafism in the west.

Untrue, the vast majority of Sunnis don't even subscribe to Hanbali fiqh, let alone Salafi teachings.

[Andsed]

Great. Brunei is becoming the Saudi Arabia of the Orient.

but as said, they will never put it into practice - I think it's all a ruse
"Look? Saudi Arabia seems to be doing well with the west - let's be like them, but never actually do what they do!"
which obv didn't work

While yes Brunei did delay passing this along with other parts of penal code due to international criticism there is no indication that they will delay passing it any further.

[Astoriya]

but as said, they will never put it into practice - I think it's all a ruse
"Look? Saudi Arabia seems to be doing well with the west - let's be like them, but never actually do what they do!"
which obv didn't work

While yes Brunei did delay passing this along with other parts of penal code due to international criticism there is no indication that they will delay passing it any further.

By 'doing what they do', I mean carrying out the punishments

[Andsed]

While yes Brunei did delay passing this along with other parts of penal code due to international criticism there is no indication that they will delay passing it any further.

By 'doing what they do', I mean carrying out the punishments

Does not change my point. You have presented nothing that would indicate they would carry out these punishments and there are many reasons to assume they will carry them out.

[Far Easter Republic]

It looks like Brunei is on the freeway, though.

On the freeway to what, exactly?

Saudi-Style Law and Order.

[The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket]

Radical Islam in Saudi Arabia comes from the bottom up just as much as it is enforced from the top down. Of course enforcing Radical Islamit to appease a radically Islamist populace just creates a self perpetuating cycle of horror.

So to paraphrase George W. Bush, the Saudi populace hates freedom? So why did the women even bother to struggle for the right to drive cars in the first place?

Women driving cannot really be construed to be a violation of Shariah, especially in the fiqh used in Saudi Arabia, which does not consider pure reasoning by jurists as a valid basis for fatwas.

[The South Falls]

By 'doing what they do', I mean carrying out the punishments

Does not change my point. You have presented nothing that would indicate they would carry out these punishments and there are many reasons to assume they will carry them out.

Why would you pass a law, then keep the law in effect but discontinue all punishment?

[Novus America]

Radical Islam in Saudi Arabia comes from the bottom up just as much as it is enforced from the top down. Of course enforcing Radical Islamit to appease a radically Islamist populace just creates a self perpetuating cycle of horror.

So to paraphrase George W. Bush, the Saudi populace hates freedom? So why did the women even bother to struggle for the right to drive cars in the first place?

Not all the populace. Not everyone in Saudi Arabia is an Radical Islamist, but a large portion is.

[Astoriya]

By 'doing what they do', I mean carrying out the punishments

Does not change my point. You have presented nothing that would indicate they would carry out these punishments and there are many reasons to assume they will carry them out.

You're testing my patience, you know that?
Since you're that obsessed with wanting to know what I've said, I've already explained in the past few pages
1. they have a moratorium in place, and haven't put anyone to death since December 1857 (before independence)
2. no one has yet been arrested for gay sex (as of now)
3. the country has no executioners

[The New California Republic]

Does not change my point. You have presented nothing that would indicate they would carry out these punishments and there are many reasons to assume they will carry them out.

You're testing my patience, you know that?

Nobody is forcing you to be here.

1. they have a moratorium in place, and haven't put anyone to death since December 1857 (before independence)

That can change if they have brought forward a specific punishment (stoning to death) for a behavior that is fairly common (homosexuality)...

2. no one has yet been arrested for gay sex (as of now)

Yet. Once a law has been established, it is only a matter of time before someone gets caught in that particular net.

3. the country has no executioners

Irrelevant. They'd likely find them if they are needed. And stonings usually involve members of the public lobbing the stones; no executioner needed.

[Astoriya]

You're testing my patience, you know that?

Nobody is forcing you to be here.

But I stay, because there are far too many people that have warped ideas about this whole thing - and no, this does not mean that I support it

[The New California Republic]

Nobody is forcing you to be here.

But I stay, because there are far too many people that have warped ideas about this whole thing - and no, this does not mean that I support it

With that out of the way, are you going to address the other things that I said?

[Astoriya]

But I stay, because there are far too many people that have warped ideas about this whole thing - and no, this does not mean that I support it

With that out of the way, are you going to address the other things that I said?

Yes - but these things take time, alright?
EDIT

1. they have a moratorium in place, and haven't put anyone to death since December 1857 (before independence)

That can change if they have brought forward a specific punishment (stoning to death) for a behavior that is fairly common (homosexuality)...
(Is that "behavior" fairly common, I need to ask? Because as far as I can tell, and having lived for years there, I did not see it being common. But maybe within the two years I've been outside, it's increased - who knows? NB: made a mistake with the date - it was actually December 1957, but the point still stands)

2. no one has yet been arrested for gay sex (as of now)

Yet. Once a law has been established, it is only a matter of time before someone gets caught in that particular net.
(Alright, on that point I'll have to concede)

3. the country has no executioners

Irrelevant. They'd likely find them if they are needed. And stonings usually involve members of the public lobbing the stones; no executioner needed.
(that first part - flashback to Sri Lanka, circa now. At that second part - they haven't needed them for 60-odd years, so why now?

all of the emboldened text in brackets are mine

[Andsed]

Does not change my point. You have presented nothing that would indicate they would carry out these punishments and there are many reasons to assume they will carry them out.

You're testing my patience, you know that?
Since you're that obsessed with wanting to know what I've said, I've already explained in the past few pages
1. they have a moratorium in place, and haven't put anyone to death since December 1857 (before independence)
2. no one has yet been arrested for gay sex (as of now)
3. the country has no executioners

1. That can very easily change with the implementation of this new penal code.

2, Citation Needed And again my point is you have given nothing to back up the idea they won't implant these new laws.

3. So? Your acting like they can't easily get some people to chuck stones at them.

Nobody is forcing you to be here.

But I stay, because there are far too many people that have warped ideas about this whole thing - and no, this does not mean that I support it

If you think we are misinterpreting the situation provide some articles or something to help clarify instead of just claiming shit.

[The New California Republic]

With that out of the way, are you going to address the other things that I said?

Yes - but these things take time, alright?


edit at a later time

Fine. I'll wait.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Guys, do note that Brunei is a Muslim country. In the Koran, there are probably laws against homosexuality and adultery. While the Bible doesn't actually condemn homo(probably), it does condemn adultery. So, we need to respect each other's laws and regulations, especially the religious ones as breaking it may be severe. Brunei wants to do so because by not doing so, they may not be respecting Islam although they are a Muslim country.

This is exactly why there should be no Muslim Countries nor Christian Countries nor Hindu Countries nor Atheist Countries. Only Secular Countries.

[Buffmania]

Absolutely appalling! Stoning is atavistic and barbaric. They should be hanged.

[Nunya Bidniss]

Absolutely appalling! Stoning is atavistic and barbaric. They should be hanged.

Throwing them off buildings would appear to me more traditionally correct in recent practice. But it is not our place to interfere with the internal affairs or spiritual beliefs of other sovereign nations, or instruct them in the traditions of their own culture.

This has been an official communiqué of the

Nunya Bidness Ministry of Information

[The New California Republic]

Absolutely appalling! Stoning is atavistic and barbaric. They should be hanged.

Throwing them off buildings would appear to me more traditionally correct in recent practice. But it is not our place to interfere with the internal affairs or spiritual beliefs of other sovereign nations, or instruct them in the traditions of their own culture.

This has been an official communiqué of the

Nunya Bidness Ministry of Information

NSGeneral is an OOC part of the forum, we don't pretend to be our nations here.