Brunei plans to pass law to stone homosexuals

[TheBadMan]

Mindlessly killing people will not solve anything. This law likely had some popular support as well, and killing the current ruler of Brunei will just result in an even more extremist government coming to power, with even more popular support; The population will support people who are opposed to the people that killed their leader.

Zhanyadha wasn't talking about knocking off the Sultan but rather warning him with Red Text for supporting the stoning law.

Ah, okay. I misunderstood what he was referring to.

[Zhanyadha]

I would say, it's rather illegitimate to create and pass a law that applies for both, non-muslims as well as the muslim majority in Brunei. I believe the main problem to be the missing secularism. Many muslim politicians are not able and/or bent on introducing secular policies (It's the same in Christian nations, too).
The first muslim nation to do so was Turkey under Kemal, if I'm not mistaken. Sadly, Erdoğan abolishes these policies and is currently restructuring the entire nation.
To stay with the topic, I do strongly oppose that law and would wish for Brunei to introduce secular policies anytime soon.

[Astoriya]

I would say, it's rather illegitimate to create and pass a law that applies for both, non-muslims as well as the muslim majority in Brunei.

Last time I checked, it only applied to Muslims

[New Sukberia]

I would say, it's rather illegitimate to create and pass a law that applies for both, non-muslims as well as the muslim majority in Brunei.

Last time I checked, it only applied to Muslims

The article states That" it applies to Muslims and Non-Muslims alike."

[Ostroeuropa]

Right, to me, it's such a mystery as to why we, as the US, are still allies with them. The "war on terror" apparently doesn't apply to these people. They are the most two faced liars the world has ever seen. On one hand, they claim to be against extremism and for reform, but that is CLEARLY not reflected through their policies and actions.

They're causing a humanitarian crisis in Yemen, gave the 9/11 terrorists passports, have almost single handedly used their oil wealth to finance the rise of extremism throughout the Middle East, and we can plainly see the results of that, when idiot laws such as this get passed. But apparently, since MBS allows women to drive, he's some sort of reformer. What the fuck?

MBS came to power illegitimately, kills our journalists, finances the rise of extremist policies throughout the world, then lies to our faces about "reform" and "change," and we're still allies with them? There may be legitimate reformers within the Muslim community, but Saudi Arabia is clearly not among them, and are the biggest reason the reform in the Islamic World is being held back. If we want to stop laws like this from getting passed, we need to actually show them that this shit is intolerable, and limit the global influence they currently have.

Saudi Arabia's Wahhabism is what most people point to for their "proof" that all of Islam is barbaric and evil while conflating all other Muslims including the ones assimilated in the West with them. But as long as the U.S. gives a special pass to the House of Saud the way Ostroeuropa likes to complain the West gives the average Muslims, true Islamic reform on a national, much less global scale isn't happening.

And on a side note, it turns out the Saudis hacked into Jeff Bezos's personal information and passed it on to try and shame him out of public life.

Bezos Investigation Finds the Saudis Obtained His Private Data

There's almost no muslims in the US. The supermajority have a particular tendency toward wahabism and salafism in the west.

[Astoriya]

There's almost no muslims in the US. The supermajority have a particular tendency toward wahabism and salafism in the west.

[citation needed]

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

I think someone needs to tell Brunei that the middle ages are over.

Saudi Arabia's Wahhabism is what most people point to for their "proof" that all of Islam is barbaric and evil while conflating all other Muslims including the ones assimilated in the West with them. But as long as the U.S. gives a special pass to the House of Saud the way Ostroeuropa likes to complain the West gives the average Muslims, true Islamic reform on a national, much less global scale isn't happening.

And on a side note, it turns out the Saudis hacked into Jeff Bezos's personal information and passed it on to try and shame him out of public life.

Bezos Investigation Finds the Saudis Obtained His Private Data

There's almost no muslims in the US. The supermajority have a particular tendency toward wahabism and salafism in the west.

>nearly 3 and a half millions muslims in the US.
>Ostro: almost no muslims in US.

...wut?

[Astoriya]

Last time I checked, it only applied to Muslims

The article states That" it applies to Muslims and Non-Muslims alike."

Could also be biased - who can tell?

[New Sukberia]

The article states That" it applies to Muslims and Non-Muslims alike."

Could also be biased - who can tell?

Keep dismissing évidence.

[Astoriya]

Could also be biased - who can tell?

Keep dismissing évidence.

I'm not dismissing it, though I'm trying to look at it objectively - ie don't believe everything that you get told

you get me?

[Neutraligon]

Keep dismissing évidence.

I'm not dismissing it, though I'm trying to look at it objectively - ie don't believe everything that you get told

you get me?

Do you think the nytimes or Australia’s Department of Foreign Affairs would lie about this piece of information. Because what you are talking about isn't just bias, it is outright fabrication.

[Astoriya]

I'm not dismissing it, though I'm trying to look at it objectively - ie don't believe everything that you get told

you get me?

Do you think the nytimes or Australia’s Department of Foreign Affairs would lie about this piece of information. Because what you are talking about isn't just bias, it is outright fabrication.

hm...

[Yusseria]

Keep dismissing évidence.

I'm not dismissing it, though I'm trying to look at it objectively - ie don't believe everything that you get told

you get me?

If you were actually looking at it objectively then you'd acknowledge that it applies to both Muslims and non-Muslims.

But you haven't, so you aren't.

[Astoriya]

I'm not dismissing it, though I'm trying to look at it objectively - ie don't believe everything that you get told

you get me?

If you were actually looking at it objectively then you'd acknowledge that it applies to both Muslims and non-Muslims.

But you haven't, so you aren't.

Well, I have seen articles that say it only applies to Muslims, so...

aka which view should I trust

[Neutraligon]

If you were actually looking at it objectively then you'd acknowledge that it applies to both Muslims and non-Muslims.

But you haven't, so you aren't.

Well, I have seen articles that say it only applies to Muslims, so...

aka which view should I trust

How about Australia’s Department of Foreign Affairs.

Do you think the nytimes or Australia’s Department of Foreign Affairs would lie about this piece of information. Because what you are talking about isn't just bias, it is outright fabrication.

hm...

You going to make an argument?

[Yusseria]

If you were actually looking at it objectively then you'd acknowledge that it applies to both Muslims and non-Muslims.

But you haven't, so you aren't.

Well, I have seen articles that say it only applies to Muslims, so...

aka which view should I trust

Uh, the Australian Department of Foreign Affairs seems more reliable than an article on bumfuck.com.

[North German Realm]

I think someone needs to tell Brunei that the middle ages are over.

There's almost no muslims in the US. The supermajority have a particular tendency toward wahabism and salafism in the west.

>nearly 3 and a half millions muslims in the US.
>Ostro: almost no muslims in US.

...wut?

The US has a staggering population of 327 millions. 3 million in 327 is near to nothing.

[Neutraligon]

I think someone needs to tell Brunei that the middle ages are over.


>nearly 3 and a half millions muslims in the US.
>Ostro: almost no muslims in US.

...wut?

The US has a staggering population of 327 millions. 3 million in 327 is near to nothing.

There are 5.3 million Jews in the US. I am sure you consider their numbers nothing.

[Yusseria]

The US has a staggering population of 327 millions. 3 million in 327 is near to nothing.

There are 5.3 million Jews in the US. I am sure you consider their numbers nothing.

There's 240 million Christians in America. 3 million AMD 5.3 million compared to 240 million is next to nothing, yes.

[Neutraligon]

There are 5.3 million Jews in the US. I am sure you consider their numbers nothing.

There's 240 million Christians in America. 3 million AMD 5.3 million compared to 240 million is next to nothing, yes.

And yet both populations have a great deal of influence in the US.

[North German Realm]

The US has a staggering population of 327 millions. 3 million in 327 is near to nothing.

There are 5.3 million Jews in the US. I am sure you consider their numbers nothing.

Within the context of "Do Jews make a large demographic in the United States?", yes. 5.3 million -while larger than 3- is still close to nothing.

[Astoriya]

Well, I have seen articles that say it only applies to Muslims, so...

aka which view should I trust

Uh, the Australian Department of Foreign Affairs seems more reliable than an article on bumfuck.com.

Should have made it clearer, note to self...
Not online - through different newspapers

You going to make an argument?

Not yet, calm down - I'm just thinking over what you said - whether it was in jest, or in all seriousness, to be honest

[Yusseria]

There's 240 million Christians in America. 3 million AMD 5.3 million compared to 240 million is next to nothing, yes.

And yet both populations have a great deal of influence in the US.

Jews do. But do Muslims have a great deal of influence?

[Andsed]

Uh, the Australian Department of Foreign Affairs seems more reliable than an article on bumfuck.com.

Should have made it clearer, note to self...
Not online - through different newspapers

You going to make an argument?

Not yet, calm down - I'm just thinking over what you said - whether it was in jest, or in all seriousness, to be honest

Can you link to one reliable source stating that this only applies to Muslims. Because I have found nothing supporting that claim.

[The New California Republic]

And yet both populations have a great deal of influence in the US.

Jews do. But do Muslims have a great deal of influence?

They certainly do in the UK, considering that they got some local schools to stop teaching something on the basis that it conflicts with Islam...