Brunei plans to pass law to stone homosexuals

[New Sukberia]

Of course it is horrific, immoral, inhumane and all other negative adjectives, but unfortunately Sharia law has to be respected, and we cannot just stroll through and implement whatever WE want. Yes, the Sultan is a pigfucking rich bastard, but we don't want Iraq 2.0 do we?

No we don't.

This time we'll CONQUER Brunei, instead of Just taking their oil wells and putting a "moderate" regime in place.

[Novus America]

Of course it is horrific, immoral, inhumane and all other negative adjectives, but unfortunately Sharia law has to be respected, and we cannot just stroll through and implement whatever WE want. Yes, the Sultan is a pigfucking rich bastard, but we don't want Iraq 2.0 do we?

No we don't.

This time we'll CONQUER Brunei, instead of Just taking their oil wells and putting a "moderate" regime in place.

Who is we? I have absolutely no interest in the US annexing Brunei.

We also never took Iraq’s oil wells either.

This law is horrible but I do not want the US to annex Brunei. I mean I would take it over Iraq obviously but I would rather have neither.

Though if the UK wanted to retake it or Singapore wanted to take it I would not actually be upset honestly.

[North German Realm]

No we don't.

This time we'll CONQUER Brunei, instead of Just taking their oil wells and putting a "moderate" regime in place.

Who is we? I have absolutely no interest in the US annexing Brunei.

We also never took Iraq’s oil wells either.

This law is horrible but I do not want the US to annex Brunei. I mean I would take it over Iraq obviously but I would rather have neither.

Though if the UK wanted to retake it or Singapore wanted to take it I would not actually be upset honestly.

Honestly if the UK, as it is now, were to annex both Singapore and Brunei, I'd probably support it.

[Christian Confederation]

Everyone stop your arguing, we offer it to the nearest major middle eastern power.
Perfect solution than no one gets unwanted Land.

[North German Realm]

Everyone stop your arguing, we offer it to the nearest major middle eastern power.
Perfect solution than no one gets unwanted Land.

Brunei is nowhere near the Middle East tho. Why should Israel (the nearest and only major middle eastern power) have an oversea territory?

[Novus America]

Who is we? I have absolutely no interest in the US annexing Brunei.

We also never took Iraq’s oil wells either.

This law is horrible but I do not want the US to annex Brunei. I mean I would take it over Iraq obviously but I would rather have neither.

Though if the UK wanted to retake it or Singapore wanted to take it I would not actually be upset honestly.

Honestly if the UK, as it is now, were to annex both Singapore and Brunei, I'd probably support it.

I do not agree with Singapore on everything but they are not nearly as bad and better than all their neighbors.

But the UK as it is now is not in any shape to be doing so given its political crisis.

[North German Realm]

Honestly if the UK, as it is now, were to annex both Singapore and Brunei, I'd probably support it.

I do not agree with Singapore on everything but they are not nearly as bad and better than all their neighbors.

But the UK as it is now is not in any shape to be doing so given its political crisis.

Eh, if they had anything of relevance outside of Europe, they'd probably not be in as much of a crisis with Brexit as they are now. But you do have a point. (Singapore is entire leagues better than Brunei, but they're still nowhere near good enough for a modernized, developed independent former British Colony tbh)

[New Sukberia]

No we don't.

This time we'll CONQUER Brunei, instead of Just taking their oil wells and putting a "moderate" regime in place.

Who is we? I have absolutely no interest in the US annexing Brunei.

We also never took Iraq’s oil wells either.

This law is horrible but I do not want the US to annex Brunei. I mean I would take it over Iraq obviously but I would rather have neither.

Though if the UK wanted to retake it or Singapore wanted to take it I would not actually be upset honestly.

I wasn't abe to corectly phrase it. I agree when you said annexation was a bad thing, and it Is.

I meant a more permanent solution thab the one in Irak (the West clearly fucked up There). And i'm not excluding a neo-colonialist policy.

Yes yes i know, colonialism is bad. But at the same time, we gave countries to people who had disgusting laws in place before even trying to civilise them, Just exploiting them mercilessly, i'm not surprisef That they turned up This way.

Same Goes for Syria, Zimbabwe, irak, Indonesia, Malaysia and Sudan.

[Farnhamia]

I do not agree with Singapore on everything but they are not nearly as bad and better than all their neighbors.

But the UK as it is now is not in any shape to be doing so given its political crisis.

Eh, if they had anything of relevance outside of Europe, they'd probably not be in as much of a crisis with Brexit as they are now. But you do have a point. (Singapore is entire leagues better than Brunei, but they're still nowhere near good enough for a modernized, developed independent former British Colony tbh)

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[Novus America]

Who is we? I have absolutely no interest in the US annexing Brunei.

We also never took Iraq’s oil wells either.

This law is horrible but I do not want the US to annex Brunei. I mean I would take it over Iraq obviously but I would rather have neither.

Though if the UK wanted to retake it or Singapore wanted to take it I would not actually be upset honestly.

I wasn't abe to corectly phrase it. I agree when you said annexation was a bad thing, and it Is.

I meant a more permanent solution thab the one in Irak (the West clearly fucked up There). And i'm not excluding a neo-colonialist policy.

Yes yes i know, colonialism is bad. But at the same time, we gave countries to people who had disgusting laws in place before even trying to civilise them, Just exploiting them mercilessly, i'm not surprisef That they turned up This way.

Same Goes for Syria, Zimbabwe, irak, Indonesia, Malaysia and Sudan.

The US would not want Brunei as a colony either.
But maybe it can be a UK protectorate again or something if the UK gets its shit together?
Just as long as we do not have to deal with it.

I am not against peaceful annexation of certain places (not Brunei though, at least for the US) if we can convince them to join and all.

Annexation is better than colonialism TBH though.
Because if they are treated as your people then you treat them better, give them equal rights and votes as the rest of your people.

[North German Realm]

I wasn't abe to corectly phrase it. I agree when you said annexation was a bad thing, and it Is.

I meant a more permanent solution thab the one in Irak (the West clearly fucked up There). And i'm not excluding a neo-colonialist policy.

Yes yes i know, colonialism is bad. But at the same time, we gave countries to people who had disgusting laws in place before even trying to civilise them, Just exploiting them mercilessly, i'm not surprisef That they turned up This way.

Same Goes for Syria, Zimbabwe, irak, Indonesia, Malaysia and Sudan.

The US would not want Brunei as a colony either.
But maybe it can be a UK protectorate again or something if the UK gets its shit together?
Just as long as we do not have to deal with it.

I am not against peaceful annexation of certain places (not Brunei though, at least for the US) if we can convince them to join and all.

Annexation is better than colonialism TBH though.
Because if they are treated as your people then you treat them better, give them equal rights and votes as the rest of your people.

TBH The age of Colonization and Colonialism has long since passed. The idea of a nation specifically having a policy that views some people native to a territory it owns as "subjects" rather than equal citizens is ludicrous if nothing else.

[Novus America]

The US would not want Brunei as a colony either.
But maybe it can be a UK protectorate again or something if the UK gets its shit together?
Just as long as we do not have to deal with it.

I am not against peaceful annexation of certain places (not Brunei though, at least for the US) if we can convince them to join and all.

Annexation is better than colonialism TBH though.
Because if they are treated as your people then you treat them better, give them equal rights and votes as the rest of your people.

TBH The age of Colonization and Colonialism has long since passed. The idea of a nation specifically having a policy that views some people native to a territory it owns as "subjects" rather than equal citizens is ludicrous if nothing else.

I agree. Which means we are back to annexation. Which I do not want either in this case.

A protectorate like thing can be less bad than an outright colony though.
Even if it has its own problems.

[The New California Republic]

TBH The age of Colonization and Colonialism has long since passed. The idea of a nation specifically having a policy that views some people native to a territory it owns as "subjects" rather than equal citizens is ludicrous if nothing else.

I agree. Which means we are back to annexation. Which I do not want either in this case.

A protectorate like thing can be less bad than an outright colony though.
Even if it has its own problems.

I don't think the UK has any interest in having Brunei as a protectorate.

[Novus America]

I agree. Which means we are back to annexation. Which I do not want either in this case.

A protectorate like thing can be less bad than an outright colony though.
Even if it has its own problems.

I don't think the UK has any interest in having Brunei as a protectorate.

Probably not.
I am just saying I would not really care that much if it did.

[Elletolis]

Disgusting.

It really is gonna take something like a Age of Enlightenment 2: Eastern World Boogaloo to fix all these crapsack authoritarian regimes, isn't it?

[San Lumen]

Seeing any country pass a law like this is truly scary. Its like some want to regress to the Middle Ages.

What's next bringing back drownings and burning at the stake for witchcraft?

[Novus America]

Seeing any country pass a law like this is truly scary. Its like some want to regress to the Middle Ages.

What's next bringing back drownings and burning at the stake for witchcraft?

Maybe. Saudi Arabia has the death penalty for witchcraft.
That shit never actually went away entirely.

[-Astoria]

Popular opinion: no, none of those ways are either humane, or "civilized".
links to examples coming soon

Honestly, I think the death penalty is justified (not for being gay obviously), but even if you don't, you can't honestly say that lethal injections/firing squads are equal to stoning.

1. Well, we can agree to disagree on that one
2. Both methods can, and have gone wrong frequently: here's an example

[Novus America]

Honestly, I think the death penalty is justified (not for being gay obviously), but even if you don't, you can't honestly say that lethal injections/firing squads are equal to stoning.

1. Well, we can agree to disagree on that one
2. Both methods can, and have gone wrong frequently: here's an example

Those methods sometimes go wrong.
But stoning always goes wrong.
So they are still not equivalent.

You are taking about methods that usually cause a quick death vs a method deliberately designed to be death by torture.

[New Legland]

ITT White Western people pretending to be governors on an online gaming site complain about a small monarchy with no debt and a strong economy deep within East Asia enforcing laws within their own jurisdiction.

Brunei is dire need of "democracy"

Ah yes, how dare we be shocked by an atrocious violation of human rights and a return to primitive barbarism.

[The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket]

ITT White Western people pretending to be governors on an online gaming site complain about a small monarchy with no debt and a strong economy deep within East Asia enforcing laws within their own jurisdiction.

Ah yes, how dare we be shocked by an atrocious violation of human rights and a return to primitive barbarism.

*bombs innocent people*
*destablizrs countries into bloody anarchy*
"We're the civilized ones because of gay bars."

[The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket]

Rights are a legal provision, so saying a law violates human rights makes no sense.

[Novus America]

Rights are a legal provision, so saying a law violates human rights makes no sense.

Rights are enforced by a legal provision not necessarily created by it.
Also the UN Charter requires support for human rights, as does ASEAN.
International law also has human rights provisions.
You do know one law can violate another right?

Brunei should be expelled from ASEAN and the UN for example (not going to happen but would be nice).

And countries against this doe not have to trade with Brunei.

[New Legland]

Ah yes, how dare we be shocked by an atrocious violation of human rights and a return to primitive barbarism.

*bombs innocent people*
*destablizrs countries into bloody anarchy*
"We're the civilized ones because of gay bars."

When did I ever express my sentiments over those events? Anyway, that does not excuse Brunei for its reprehensible actions.

[Purpelia]

*bombs innocent people*
*destablizrs countries into bloody anarchy*
"We're the civilized ones because of gay bars."

When did I ever express my sentiments over those events? Anyway, that does not excuse Brunei for its reprehensible actions.

What is reprehensible about it? I mean sure, we wouldn't want to see it happen in our countries. But it isn't. It's happening in their country. And the fact the people there aren't starting revolutions over it clearly indicates that is what they want. So what is wrong about it?