Brunei plans to pass law to stone homosexuals

[Novus America]

As far as I am aware it is not.

Then it has no basis in Al-Islam.

Much of the Hadith are horrible trash, sure, but most of Islam obsesses over the Hadith.

[Mystic Warriors]

Not the point. Besides the Hadith have effectivel Quran in much of moder Islam.
I do not care to argue about the theory of Islamic theology.

I care about how it is applied in the modern world.

So it's not in the Holy Qur'an?

It's in the hadith, but the quran makes it clear its a sin.

[New haven america]

Let's just forget that for a large part of history Islam was actually more liberal and advanced than the West.

Or that they actually ruled a large portion of the West...

1. There is nothing good about being more liberal.

2. I do not consider Iberia and Sicily to be a "large portion of the West", either.

1. Objectively false, especially if you're trying to discuss the differences between the West and elsewhere
2. Turkey, the Levant, Mesopotamia, Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, Algeria, and Morocco were all considered to be part of the West before Islamic takeover (They were even majority Christian nations, with remnants of their beliefs being found mostly in Lebanon).

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Islam is incompatible with Western culture, for one thing. Our values have their roots in Christianity; an entirely different religion with entirely different beliefs.

Nonsense: for one thing, "our values" were formulated recently, especially those against LGBT discrimination: even two decades ago, you'd still see significant challenge against accepting women and LGBTs in the military, for instance. We're not that far removed in time from where most Muslim jurisprudence is now, and we still wouldn't be if not for increasing secularism and emphasis on universaling principles like human rights.

It "our values" are capable of reform, then so can Islam.

Please keep your kufr to yourselves.

[Mystic Warriors]

That practice is anti-christian, not in observance of christ's word.

That is what I said?

Sorry, I misread what you posted.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Then it has no basis in Al-Islam.

Much of the Hadith are horrible trash, sure, but most of Islam obsesses over the Hadith.

>Most of Islam
This doesn't even make sense

[El-Amin Caliphate]

So it's not in the Holy Qur'an?

It's in the hadith, but the quran makes it clear its a sin.

I know

[Duhon]

Nonsense: for one thing, "our values" were formulated recently, especially those against LGBT discrimination: even two decades ago, you'd still see significant challenge against accepting women and LGBTs in the military, for instance. We're not that far removed in time from where most Muslim jurisprudence is now, and we still wouldn't be if not for increasing secularism and emphasis on universaling principles like human rights.

It "our values" are capable of reform, then so can Islam.

Please keep your kufr to yourselves.

No.

[Badb Catha]

Islam is incompatible with Western culture, for one thing. Our values have their roots in Christianity; an entirely different religion with entirely different beliefs.

Nonsense: for one thing, "our values" were formulated recently, especially those against LGBT discrimination: even two decades ago, you'd still see significant challenge against accepting women and LGBTs in the military, for instance. We're not that far removed in time from where most Muslim jurisprudence is now, and we still wouldn't be if not for increasing secularism and emphasis on universaling principles like human rights.

It "our values" are capable of reform, then so can Islam.

You are mistaken in assuming I was referring to liberalism and egalitarianism; these are not part of Western values, merely new concepts developed during the Enlightenment.

[The South Falls]

Why are there so many "liberal bad, authoritarian christian good" people?

[Cedoria]

Tfw you have to accept the laws of a butcher because “muh culture”.

I'm actually a Christian bit that doesn't mean I can not have a say. It's my point of view.

And we're free to tell you that it's hateful crap.

[Mystic Warriors]

Let's just forget that for a large part of history Islam was actually more liberal and advanced than the West.

Or that they actually ruled a large portion of the West...

There is nothing good about being more liberal.

I do not consider Iberia and Sicily to be a "large portion of the West", either.

1. Being more liberal has always and will always be a good thing. Being more peaceful and tolerant is never a bad thing.

[San Montalbano]

There is nothing good about being more liberal.

I do not consider Iberia and Sicily to be a "large portion of the West", either.

1. Being more liberal has always and will always be a good thing. Being more peaceful and tolerant is never a bad thing.

I mean, being peaceful and tolerant is actually getting some people murdered in Europe.

[The South Falls]

1. Being more liberal has always and will always be a good thing. Being more peaceful and tolerant is never a bad thing.

I mean, being peaceful and tolerant is actually getting some people murdered in Europe.

Oh yes, those ebil muslims. Should we be less tolerant towards white people because of John Wayne Gacy?

[New haven america]

Nonsense: for one thing, "our values" were formulated recently, especially those against LGBT discrimination: even two decades ago, you'd still see significant challenge against accepting women and LGBTs in the military, for instance. We're not that far removed in time from where most Muslim jurisprudence is now, and we still wouldn't be if not for increasing secularism and emphasis on universaling principles like human rights.

It "our values" are capable of reform, then so can Islam.

You are mistaken in assuming I was referring to liberalism and egalitarianism; these are not part of Western values, merely new concepts developed during the Enlightenment.

Mighty fine looking oxymoron you got there.

[Duhon]

1. Being more liberal has always and will always be a good thing. Being more peaceful and tolerant is never a bad thing.

I mean, being peaceful and tolerant is actually getting some people murdered in Europe.

Jail miscreants, keep the rest. Why is this so hard?

[Gormwood]

Why are there so many "liberal bad, authoritarian christian good" people?

The best way to shine the light is to show Muslims doing the Exact Same Thing.

[New haven america]

Please keep your kufr to yourselves.

No.

Saudi Arabia is really in need of some fantabulizing.

[San Montalbano]

I mean, being peaceful and tolerant is actually getting some people murdered in Europe.

Jail miscreants, keep the rest. Why is this so hard?

because cry of "racism" or "Islamophobia" are being used as a bludgeon to excuse/tolerate behavior.

[The South Falls]

Why are there so many "liberal bad, authoritarian christian good" people?

The best way to shine the light is to show Muslims doing the Exact Same Thing.

I mean, authoritarian islam scares some people to death.

But as long as it's Christianity, it's all good.

[Mystic Warriors]

1. Being more liberal has always and will always be a good thing. Being more peaceful and tolerant is never a bad thing.

I mean, being peaceful and tolerant is actually getting some people murdered in Europe.

So be less tolerant and violent? That is not the answer.

[Badb Catha]

1. There is nothing good about being more liberal.

2. I do not consider Iberia and Sicily to be a "large portion of the West", either.

1. Objectively false, especially if you're trying to discuss the differences between the West and elsewhere
2. Turkey, the Levant, Mesopotamia, Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, Algeria, and Morocco were all considered to be part of the West before Islamic takeover (They were even majority Christian nations, with remnants of their beliefs being found mostly in Lebanon).

1. Liberalism leads to the destruction of culture and morality, therefor it is not good.

2. That is not true. "The West" refers to Europe and Anglo-Saxon North America.

[San Montalbano]

I mean, being peaceful and tolerant is actually getting some people murdered in Europe.

So be less tolerant and violent? That is not the answer.

as bad as it sounds, sometimes it is necessary.

otherwise your basically sheep for the slaughter in some circumstances.

[Mystic Warriors]

Jail miscreants, keep the rest. Why is this so hard?

because cry of "racism" or "Islamophobia" are being used as a bludgeon to excuse/tolerate behavior.

Because some are being punished for the actions of a few.

[Duhon]

Nonsense: for one thing, "our values" were formulated recently, especially those against LGBT discrimination: even two decades ago, you'd still see significant challenge against accepting women and LGBTs in the military, for instance. We're not that far removed in time from where most Muslim jurisprudence is now, and we still wouldn't be if not for increasing secularism and emphasis on universaling principles like human rights.

It "our values" are capable of reform, then so can Islam.

You are mistaken in assuming I was referring to liberalism and egalitarianism; these are not part of Western values, merely new concepts developed during the Enlightenment.

Where did you think they came from, China? Ethiopia? (I mean the Enlightenment getting its start from Zera Yacob would be nice, but meh.)