Brunei plans to pass law to stone homosexuals

[El-Amin Caliphate]

...Yes

so my question would be, why is it not the case in the entire world where Islam dominates?

Because Muslims are losing their way. We've become seriously divided and let the dunya (worldly life) get the best of us.

I mean, even in the United Kingdom, the Islamists are getting pretty mad about their kids being taught about lgbt in schools.

There's an Islamist party in the UK?

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Actually Christians can publicly celebrate Christmas. Muslims can't. There's no law afaik saying Christians can't, however.

"Contact with Christians in other countries, the import of Bibles and public celebration of Christmas are banned by decree.[2] Christians in Brunei are not allowed to proselytise.[3] Schools are not allowed to teach Christianity.[3] If religious organisations fail to register, its members can be imprisoned.[3] Teaching of non-Muslim religions in schools is prohibited."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_Brunei#cite_note-2

>exasperated sigh< wtf Brunei.

[Badb Catha]

Actually Christians can publicly celebrate Christmas. Muslims can't. There's no law afaik saying Christians can't, however.

"Contact with Christians in other countries, the import of Bibles and public celebration of Christmas are banned by decree.[2] Christians in Brunei are not allowed to proselytise.[3] Schools are not allowed to teach Christianity.[3] If religious organisations fail to register, its members can be imprisoned.[3] Teaching of non-Muslim religions in schools is prohibited."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_Brunei#cite_note-2

Brunei is merely continuing the tradition of Christian discrimination that began under the Caliphates. It is disappointing, to say the least, to know my Brothers and Sisters in Christ must still endure such hardships in this day and age.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

"Contact with Christians in other countries, the import of Bibles and public celebration of Christmas are banned by decree.[2] Christians in Brunei are not allowed to proselytise.[3] Schools are not allowed to teach Christianity.[3] If religious organisations fail to register, its members can be imprisoned.[3] Teaching of non-Muslim religions in schools is prohibited."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_Brunei#cite_note-2

Brunei is merely continuing the tradition of Christian discrimination that began under the Caliphates. It is disappointing, to say the least, to know my Brothers and Sisters in Christ must still endure such hardships in this day and age.

You wanna get back on topic?

[Mystic Warriors]

NO! Nobody has a right to murder people because of these things. PERIOD. Every nation needs to put a full embargo on them.

Why would you starve their children for something they are not responsible for?

Nice apology. Why would you murder gay people?

[The South Falls]

NO! Nobody has a right to murder people because of these things. PERIOD. Every nation needs to put a full embargo on them.

Why would you starve their children for something they are not responsible for?

Why would you stone gay people to death?

[New haven america]

so my question would be, why is it not the case in the entire world where Islam dominates?

I mean, even in the United Kingdom, the Islamists are getting pretty mad about their kids being taught about lgbt in schools.

Islam is incompatible with Western culture, for one thing. Our values have their roots in Christianity; an entirely different religion with entirely different beliefs.

Let's just forget that for a large part of history Islam was actually more liberal and advanced than the West.

Or that they actually ruled a large portion of the West...

[Novus America]

The death penalty for homosexuality IS exclusive to Islam.

Then where in the Holy Qur'an can you find the death penalty for homosexuality?

Not the point. Besides the Hadith have effectivel Quran in much of moder Islam.
I do not care to argue about the theory of Islamic theology.

I care about how it is applied in the modern world.

[Major-Tom]

Brunei is a monarchy ruled by a Sultan with questionable personal morals, but for some reason his despotic decree is being cited as an indictment of all Muslims in the world.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_ri ... _territory
ALL countries that apply the death penalty for it are Muslim.
Most countries that criminalize homosexuality are Muslim.
Most Muslim countries criminalize homosexuality.

The problem is more than just this one corrupt and disgusting dictator.

I think it's important to note that most of those said countries aren't even remotely democratic, and the populace had no say (and probably little knowledge) about the laws, including this one. I hate fundamentalist sects in Islam as much as the next guy, I loathe it, but there is a slippery slope I occasionally see on threads like this where Muslims are viewed more as a monolith than a complex group of individuals belonging to a flawed religion. That caveat is important.

As for the topic at hand, well, obviously this is appalling. We'll see how long the Sultan of Brunei holds on if we ever have another major worldwide energy crisis.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Why would you starve their children for something they are not responsible for?

Nice apology. Why would you murder gay people?

The question is a fallacy, I just don't know what. I just know it's a dumb question to ask since that's no where near what he said. Also, he's homosexual himself.

[Badb Catha]

Brunei is merely continuing the tradition of Christian discrimination that began under the Caliphates. It is disappointing, to say the least, to know my Brothers and Sisters in Christ must still endure such hardships in this day and age.

You wanna get back on topic?

Apologies. It is difficult to watch one's fellow faithful suffer and be incapable of doing anything about it.

[Mystic Warriors]

"Contact with Christians in other countries, the import of Bibles and public celebration of Christmas are banned by decree.[2] Christians in Brunei are not allowed to proselytise.[3] Schools are not allowed to teach Christianity.[3] If religious organisations fail to register, its members can be imprisoned.[3] Teaching of non-Muslim religions in schools is prohibited."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_Brunei#cite_note-2

Brunei is merely continuing the tradition of Christian discrimination that began under the Caliphates. It is disappointing, to say the least, to know my Brothers and Sisters in Christ must still endure such hardships in this day and age.

That practice is anti-christian, not in observance of christ's word.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Then where in the Holy Qur'an can you find the death penalty for homosexuality?

Not the point. Besides the Hadith have effectivel Quran in much of moder Islam.
I do not care to argue about the theory of Islamic theology.

I care about how it is applied in the modern world.

So it's not in the Holy Qur'an?

[Novus America]

Islam is incompatible with Western culture, for one thing. Our values have their roots in Christianity; an entirely different religion with entirely different beliefs.

Let's just forget that for a large part of history Islam was actually more liberal and advanced than the West.

Or that they actually ruled a large portion of the West...

That was centuries ago. The West radically improved. Islam on the whole did not.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

You wanna get back on topic?

Apologies. It is difficult to watch one's fellow faithful suffer and be incapable of doing anything about it.

Then make a thread about it.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Let's just forget that for a large part of history Islam was actually more liberal and advanced than the West.

Or that they actually ruled a large portion of the West...

That was centuries ago. The West radically improved. Islam on the whole did not.

Doesn't need to

[Mystic Warriors]

Nice apology. Why would you murder gay people?

The question is a fallacy, I just don't know what. I just know it's a dumb question to ask since that's no where near what he said. Also, he's homosexual himself.

The point of my comment went over your head. And I am sure I can tell if a person is gay or not from an internet post.

[Badb Catha]

Islam is incompatible with Western culture, for one thing. Our values have their roots in Christianity; an entirely different religion with entirely different beliefs.

Let's just forget that for a large part of history Islam was actually more liberal and advanced than the West.

Or that they actually ruled a large portion of the West...

There is nothing good about being more liberal.

I do not consider Iberia and Sicily to be a "large portion of the West", either.

[Novus America]

Not the point. Besides the Hadith have effectivel Quran in much of moder Islam.
I do not care to argue about the theory of Islamic theology.

I care about how it is applied in the modern world.

So it's not in the Holy Qur'an?

As far as I am aware it is not.
Quaranists are usually quite moderate compared to the rest of Islam, but they are unfortunately a tiny fringe group.

[New haven america]

Let's just forget that for a large part of history Islam was actually more liberal and advanced than the West.

Or that they actually ruled a large portion of the West...

That was centuries ago. The West radically improved. Islam on the whole did not.

And that changes my statement how?

[Badb Catha]

Brunei is merely continuing the tradition of Christian discrimination that began under the Caliphates. It is disappointing, to say the least, to know my Brothers and Sisters in Christ must still endure such hardships in this day and age.

That practice is anti-christian, not in observance of christ's word.

That is what I said?

[Cedoria]

Guys, do note that Brunei is a Muslim country. In the Koran, there are probably laws against homosexuality and adultery. While the Bible doesn't actually condemn homo(probably), it does condemn adultery. So, we need to respect each other's laws and regulations, especially the religious ones as breaking it may be severe. Brunei wants to do so because by not doing so, they may not be respecting Islam although they are a Muslim country.

No, we don't. Don't care what holy veil you throw over it. I don't have to respect that hateful shit.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

So it's not in the Holy Qur'an?

As far as I am aware it is not.

Then it has no basis in Al-Islam.

[Duhon]

so my question would be, why is it not the case in the entire world where Islam dominates?

I mean, even in the United Kingdom, the Islamists are getting pretty mad about their kids being taught about lgbt in schools.

Islam is incompatible with Western culture, for one thing. Our values have their roots in Christianity; an entirely different religion with entirely different beliefs.

Nonsense: for one thing, "our values" were formulated recently, especially those against LGBT discrimination: even two decades ago, you'd still see significant challenge against accepting women and LGBTs in the military, for instance. We're not that far removed in time from where most Muslim jurisprudence is now, and we still wouldn't be if not for increasing secularism and emphasis on universaling principles like human rights.

It "our values" are capable of reform, then so can Islam.

[Cedoria]

Guys, do note that Brunei is a Muslim country. In the Koran, there are probably laws against homosexuality and adultery. While the Bible doesn't actually condemn homo(probably), it does condemn adultery. So, we need to respect each other's laws and regulations, especially the religious ones as breaking it may be severe. Brunei wants to do so because by not doing so, they may not be respecting Islam although they are a Muslim country.

Doesn't stoning someone seem harsh though? If they simply outlawed but decriminalised it due to religious belief, i'd be fine with that and would respect their choice but this new law is outrageous.

Theocracies tend to be harsh and stupid.