Malaysian jailed for 10 years for "insulting Islam"

[Khataiy]

Good, and back when Iraq had a real government they used to arrest people who insulted the companions and wives of the Prophet Muhammad which is as bad as insulting Islam.

Is there an Islamic basis for penalizing blasphemous people tho?

Are you serious? It is illegal to slander a regular Muslim would yoy dare say the things the Shias do about Aisha to my mother or your friend's mother? Would you call your Imam an apostate? If you answer no to either of these then you would know the fundamental problem with the doctrine of the Shias ans why their beliefs get them into trouble with Muslims, it is the obligation of the state to enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong this is called Sharia.

[Bear Stearns]

Good, and back when Iraq had a real government they used to arrest people who insulted the companions and wives of the Prophet Muhammad which is as bad as insulting Islam.

Is there an Islamic basis for penalizing blasphemous people tho?

Hanging, I believe.

[Khataiy]

Supporting Shari'ah isn't an extreme belief in Al-Islam. Shari'ah is literally the basis of Al-Islam, it guide who we are as Muslims.

That is why so many people have problems with your religion.

We do not need people to like us.

[Bear Stearns]

That is why so many people have problems with your religion.

We do not need people to like us.

Great. Keep it to your own countries then.

[Khataiy]

We do not need people to like us.

Great. Keep it to your own countries then.

Gladly the second your countries stop invading and dictating ours.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Supporting Shari'ah isn't an extreme belief in Al-Islam. Shari'ah is literally the basis of Al-Islam, it guide who we are as Muslims.

That is why so many people have problems with your religion.

Don't care.

Is there an Islamic basis for penalizing blasphemous people tho?

Are you serious? It is illegal to slander a regular Muslim would yoy dare say the things the Shias do about Aisha to my mother or your friend's mother? Would you call your Imam an apostate? If you answer no to either of these then you would know the fundamental problem with the doctrine of the Shias ans why their beliefs get them into trouble with Muslims, it is the obligation of the state to enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong this is called Sharia.

You didn't answer my question. What is the punishment for blasphemy according to the Holy Qur'an and Sunnah? Because from what I found I haven't found anything.

[Bear Stearns]

Great. Keep it to your own countries then.

Gladly the second your countries stop invading and dictating ours.

I'm opposed to the wars in the Middle East man, but a lot of you came from countries we didn't even attack.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Great. Keep it to your own countries then.

Gladly the second your countries stop invading and dictating ours.

Mic drop!

Also Bear Stearns, I was born and raised in the US

[Khataiy]

That is why so many people have problems with your religion.

Don't care.

Are you serious? It is illegal to slander a regular Muslim would yoy dare say the things the Shias do about Aisha to my mother or your friend's mother? Would you call your Imam an apostate? If you answer no to either of these then you would know the fundamental problem with the doctrine of the Shias ans why their beliefs get them into trouble with Muslims, it is the obligation of the state to enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong this is called Sharia.

You didn't answer my question. What is the punishment for blasphemy according to the Holy Qur'an and Sunnah? Because from what I found I haven't found anything.

It's called apostasy, to deny anything from Islam let alone mock it or insult it is a crime in Islam this is from the Quran and Sunnah and the scholars agree on this.

[Gormwood]

So how does a thread discussing the serious problem of blasphemy laws turn into a vitriolic diatribe on Islam of the sort that down the road has a chance of setting off another New Zealand?

Talking about blasphemy laws provokes terrorist acts? Really?

That's a rather simplistic and cynical spin when the point was about the vitriolic posts such as these:

Islam breeds extremism and disregard for humanity in the modern age at least.

See Malaysia is one of the best places to trial the removal of Islam. Occupy the place destroy all references to Islam and deport all who fail to reconvert. That they use blasphemy laws shows that normal considerations aren’t relevant there. Heck ridiculing islam is one of the most virtuous things you can do.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Don't care.

You didn't answer my question. What is the punishment for blasphemy according to the Holy Qur'an and Sunnah? Because from what I found I haven't found anything.

It's called apostasy, to deny anything from Islam let alone mock it or insult it is a crime in Islam this is from the Quran and Sunnah and the scholars agree on this.

Blasphemy =/= apostasy. And you still haven't shown where in the Holy Qur'an and Sunnah blasphemy is a punishable crime.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

Not 30% of Muslims - where did you even get that from
As said earlier, how about getting something that isn't 4 years out of date, eh ?

I have given my citation. You haven't demonstrated any counter-evidence to show, as you claimed, that views otherwise considered extreme by the rest of humanity are held by a "vocal minority" only.

Extrapolating from the trend, it's practically impossible that there would be substantial change that reduces the number of Muslims supportive of death penalty to apostates from the poll's figures to "extreme minority" by 2019.

I question the idea that merely supporting Sharia law is grounds for extremist beliefs.
If you asked the average Christian about whether or not they'd like a legal code based on the Bible, there would probably be a fairly large percentage that thinks that would be a good idea*. Would that make them extremists?
Christian theocracies, after all, have a very long history of killing homosexuals, blasphemers, heretics, heathens, et cetera in much the same way that Muslim theocracies do, and in many ways, Sharia is a lot more gentle (for example, medieval Christian theocracies dealt with heathens by stating "convert or die", while Sharia law gives them the option to pay a tax instead). Therefore, everyone who supports a Bible-based legal code is a fanatical extremist, and therefore, Christianity is an extremist religion. Do you see the problem here?

Please note that I'm not saying that Muslim fanatics who actually support every word of Sharia don't exist. That's patently false, and I'd like to dodge that strawman before it gets stuffed. I'm just saying that the data you're using to support your conclusions doesn't account for the fact that paying lip service to Sharia and actually believing you should follow everything it commands are two different things.

*: I can't find any data on that subject, but judging from what I've seen both in person and in reference to other topics, I think it's likely that the figure is on the order of 30-40% of churchgoers would say 'yes'. If you find hard data about this, though, please share it, I'm curious too.

[Bear Stearns]

Gladly the second your countries stop invading and dictating ours.

Mic drop!

Also Bear Stearns, I was born and raised in the US

Yes, a number of you have managed to have children here. A pitfall of our immigration laws, to be sure.

Why do you live in the West if you find it so evil?

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Mic drop!

Also Bear Stearns, I was born and raised in the US

Yes, a number of you have managed to have children here. A pitfall of our immigration laws, to be sure.

Lol my parents were born and raised in the US as well

As for the reason why I live in the West even though I find their governments evil, it's because I have friends and family here.

[Genivaria]

A government that enforces thought crime legislation needs to be replaced.

[Bear Stearns]

Yes, a number of you have managed to have children here. A pitfall of our immigration laws, to be sure.

Lol my parents were born and raised in the US as well

We've had shitty immigration laws since the 1960s, more than enough time for a generation or two to get in here.

And you didn't answer my question. You obviously hate this society and you've advocated making non-Muslims second class citizens. Why don't you go to a country where that shit is tolerated?

[North German Realm]

Lol my parents were born and raised in the US as well

We've had shitty immigration laws since the 1960s, more than enough time for a generation or two to get in here.

And you didn't answer my question. You obviously hate this society and you've advocated making non-Muslims second class citizens. Why don't you go to a country where that shit is tolerated?

Because for some reason (coincidental, I'm sure) Islamic countries are consistently shitholes that no intelligent person wants to migrate to.

[Genivaria]

Lol my parents were born and raised in the US as well

We've had shitty immigration laws since the 1960s, more than enough time for a generation or two to get in here.

And you didn't answer my question. You obviously hate this society and you've advocated making non-Muslims second class citizens. Why don't you go to a country where that shit is tolerated?

Not to mention he wants to essentially enslave Muslims to Sharia regardless of their view on Sharia.

[Bear Stearns]

We've had shitty immigration laws since the 1960s, more than enough time for a generation or two to get in here.

And you didn't answer my question. You obviously hate this society and you've advocated making non-Muslims second class citizens. Why don't you go to a country where that shit is tolerated?

Not to mention he wants to essentially enslave Muslims to Sharia regardless of their view on Sharia.

Shit - even Muslim countries wouldn't put up with him.

[Khataiy]

It's called apostasy, to deny anything from Islam let alone mock it or insult it is a crime in Islam this is from the Quran and Sunnah and the scholars agree on this.

Blasphemy =/= apostasy. And you still haven't shown where in the Holy Qur'an and Sunnah blasphemy is a punishable crime.

To blasphemise in Islam is to reject an aspect of the religion and to reject an aspect of the religion is an act of disbelief.

[Bear Stearns]

We've had shitty immigration laws since the 1960s, more than enough time for a generation or two to get in here.

And you didn't answer my question. You obviously hate this society and you've advocated making non-Muslims second class citizens. Why don't you go to a country where that shit is tolerated?

Because for some reason (coincidental, I'm sure) Islamic countries are consistently shitholes that no intelligent person wants to migrate to.

Ah of course. He's all passionate about fundamentalism but I guess the comforts of the United States are too sweet to give up for Allah, amirite?

[Khataiy]

A government that enforces thought crime legislation needs to be replaced.

Good create more refugees and a war you cannot end and spread the animosty, you couldn't handle Vietnam or Iraq so go ahead and do it.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Lol my parents were born and raised in the US as well

We've had shitty immigration laws since the 1960s, more than enough time for a generation or two to get in here.

I'm African-American

And you didn't answer my question. You obviously hate this society and you've advocated making non-Muslims second class citizens.

No I do not hate it nor do I want to make y'all 2nd class.

Why don't you go to a country where that shi* is tolerated?

See my edited post.

[Genivaria]

A government that enforces thought crime legislation needs to be replaced.

Good create more refugees and a war you cannot end and spread the animosty, you couldn't handle Vietnam or Iraq so go ahead and do it.

What are you babbling about?

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Blasphemy =/= apostasy. And you still haven't shown where in the Holy Qur'an and Sunnah blasphemy is a punishable crime.

To blasphemise in Islam is to reject an aspect of the religion and to reject an aspect of the religion is an act of disbelief.

You still didn't answer my question.