Malaysian jailed for 10 years for "insulting Islam"

[Internationalist Bastard]

Everyone is yelling about Islam and I’m just against blasphemy laws

It's disingeneous to talk like they're not really related.

It’s disingenuous to not mention the Christian countries with such laws, or India

[Gormwood]

Everyone is yelling about Islam and I’m just against blasphemy laws

It's disingeneous to talk like they're not really related.

Also disingenuous to talk like blasphemy laws are exclusively an Islamic phenomenon.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

IB no one should let people insult them. That's bullying, and bullying is bad.

[Astoriya]

It's the truth, like it or not
And you might say "then explain the photos of people shouting "death to those that XYZ" - again, still a vocal minority

6 out of 20 countries , aka 30%
But wait - that image was from 2015, so things change

try again?

[Zizou]

If someone says something that you think is bad, say something better to refute it. Throwing someone in jail or committing them to some sort of asylum for making remarks is idiotic.

[Internationalist Bastard]

IB no one should let people insult them. That's bullying, and bullying is bad.

Nor should we jail bullies
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[Hanafuridake]

IB no one should let people insult them. That's bullying, and bullying is bad.

Sending people to jail for ten years is worse.

And yes, I criticize all blasphemy laws, even when my religion is the one enforcing them.

[Darussalam]

It's disingeneous to talk like they're not really related.

Also disingenuous to talk like blasphemy laws are exclusively an Islamic phenomenon.

It's a strictly Islamic phenomenon in Malaysia.

For the rest of the world, most blasphemy cases are prosecuted in Muslim countries.

(Image)

6 out of 20 countries , aka 30%
But wait - that image was from 2015, so things change

try again?

Astounded by this high IQ math

Assuming (roflmao) that your math is right, you seriously think 30% of Muslims supporting killing apostates is an acceptable small minority?

[Darussalam]

It's disingeneous to talk like they're not really related.

It’s disingenuous to not mention the Christian countries with such laws, or India

No, it's not. Because the context of Malaysian blasphemy law is clear assertion of superiority by Malay-Muslim majority over the dhimmis, who rarely if ever utilized blasphemy laws to their advantage.

Furthermore, while not all countries with blasphemy laws have Muslim majority, virtually all countries with Muslim majority have blasphemy laws.

Consider also that blasphemy laws are far more frequently utilized and individuals prosecuted in Muslim countries than Christian ones.

Consider also that oftentimes it's the Muslim mob that take the law into their own hands, with the law enforcement and formalized blasphemy law exists to contain their brutal extrajudicial action - contrast with Christian countries where it mostly exists as antiquated, exotic laws that no one really cares anyway.

[Handecanistan]

6 out of 20 countries , aka 30%
But wait - that image was from 2015, so things change

try again?

Ok so, let's look at these stats properly shall we?

The graph shows that 42.8% of Muslims asked support executing converts; this is the average taken from all the 20 countries in the graph, so more than 30%. This could show that the majority is in favour of the opposite, however the graph doesn't show the results of those that answered "no", or "unsure", meaning that it could still potentially be the majority.

On to the other graph you haven't mentioned about Sharia law, this one had 38 countries (onto that in a minute). This graph demonstrated that 56.8% of Muslims asked in these 38 countries (average) are in favour of Sharia law. Even if it doesn't show the "no" and the "unsure" answers.

Make of these stats as you will, but I also want to point out that, in the graph that had almost twice the sample size, the results showed a majority of radical Islam values. This brings me to the question that, maybe the results of the first graph would show a different value if they used the same sample size (note that it shouldn't be the same sample). Conversely, the opposite could be true, I just hope the stats that were collected didn't purposely skew the results in favour of a particular opinion.

[Handecanistan]

Also disingenuous to talk like blasphemy laws are exclusively an Islamic phenomenon.

It's a strictly Islamic phenomenon in Malaysia.

For the rest of the world, most blasphemy cases are prosecuted in Muslim countries.

6 out of 20 countries , aka 30%
But wait - that image was from 2015, so things change

try again?

Astounded by this high IQ math

Assuming (roflmao) that your math is right, you seriously think 30% of Muslims supporting killing apostates is an acceptable small minority?

The argument is about the majority and therefore mainstream Islamic belief. Don't shift the goal posts because it just acknowledges his point.

[Astoriya]

Also disingenuous to talk like blasphemy laws are exclusively an Islamic phenomenon.

It's a strictly Islamic phenomenon in Malaysia.

For the rest of the world, most blasphemy cases are prosecuted in Muslim countries.

6 out of 20 countries , aka 30%
But wait - that image was from 2015, so things change

try again?

Astounded by this high IQ math

Assuming (roflmao) that your math is right, you seriously think 30% of Muslims supporting killing apostates is an acceptable small minority?

Not 30% of Muslims - where did you even get that from
As said earlier, how about getting something that isn't 4 years out of date, eh ?

6 out of 20 countries , aka 30%
But wait - that image was from 2015, so things change

try again?

Ok so, let's look at these stats properly shall we?

The graph shows that 42.8% of Muslims asked support executing converts; this is the average taken from all the 20 countries in the graph, so more than 30%. This could show that the majority is in favour of the opposite, however the graph doesn't show the results of those that answered "no", or "unsure", meaning that it could still potentially be the majority.

On to the other graph you haven't mentioned about Sharia law, this one had 38 countries (onto that in a minute). This graph demonstrated that 56.8% of Muslims asked in these 38 countries (average) are in favour of Sharia law. Even if it doesn't show the "no" and the "unsure" answers.

Make of these stats as you will, but I also want to point out that, in the graph that had almost twice the sample size, the results showed a majority of radical Islam values. This brings me to the question that, maybe the results of the first graph would show a different value if they used the same sample size (note that it shouldn't be the same sample). Conversely, the opposite could be true, I just hope the stats that were collected didn't purposely skew the results in favour of a particular opinion.

With that one, it's anyone's guess

[El-Amin Caliphate]

It's a strictly Islamic phenomenon in Malaysia.

For the rest of the world, most blasphemy cases are prosecuted in Muslim countries.

Astounded by this high IQ math

Assuming (roflmao) that your math is right, you seriously think 30% of Muslims supporting killing apostates is an acceptable small minority?

The argument is about the majority and therefore mainstream Islamic belief. Don't shift the goal posts because it just acknowledges his point.

I mean the majority of Muslims believing something doesn't make said belief Islamic.

[Astoriya]

(Let's make way for some new people to post, because for some reason I think we're hijacking this thread)

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Does anyone know what he said?

[Handecanistan]

The argument is about the majority and therefore mainstream Islamic belief. Don't shift the goal posts because it just acknowledges his point.

I mean the majority of Muslims believing something doesn't make said belief Islamic.

So they're not real Muslims believing in Islam? Even though they are probably more classic believers and moderate Islamic beliefs are a relatively recent thing? Both moderate and extremist Islamic views are Islamic beliefs, you can argue that one of them isn't "truly Islamic", but that is up for debate, and in that case, which belief must be forced to rename themselves? The conservative and classical belief, or the new, more moderate belief?

[Liriena]

"Finally, has the Left, specifically the intersectional Third Wave feminist Western Left, turned its back on free speech, atheists (particularly ex-Muslim atheists) and critics of Islam, even when it involves people being sentenced to ten years in prison and mental health “counseling” for a perceived slight against a particular religion that,"

Finnally someone said it.

"Finally someone made the strawman"?

[El-Amin Caliphate]

I mean the majority of Muslims believing something doesn't make said belief Islamic.

So they're not real Muslims believing in Islam? Even though they are probably more classic believers and moderate Islamic beliefs are a relatively recent thing? Both moderate and extremist Islamic views are Islamic beliefs, you can argue that one of them isn't "truly Islamic", but that is up for debate, and in that case, which belief must be forced to rename themselves? The conservative and classical belief, or the new, more moderate belief?

I wasn't saying any of this, especially the 1st question.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Does anyone know what he said?

I’ve said earlier it seems it’s been redacted

[Handecanistan]

It's a strictly Islamic phenomenon in Malaysia.

For the rest of the world, most blasphemy cases are prosecuted in Muslim countries.

Astounded by this high IQ math

Assuming (roflmao) that your math is right, you seriously think 30% of Muslims supporting killing apostates is an acceptable small minority?

Not 30% of Muslims - where did you even get that from
As said earlier, how about getting something that isn't 4 years out of date, eh ?

Ok so, let's look at these stats properly shall we?

The graph shows that 42.8% of Muslims asked support executing converts; this is the average taken from all the 20 countries in the graph, so more than 30%. This could show that the majority is in favour of the opposite, however the graph doesn't show the results of those that answered "no", or "unsure", meaning that it could still potentially be the majority.

On to the other graph you haven't mentioned about Sharia law, this one had 38 countries (onto that in a minute). This graph demonstrated that 56.8% of Muslims asked in these 38 countries (average) are in favour of Sharia law. Even if it doesn't show the "no" and the "unsure" answers.

Make of these stats as you will, but I also want to point out that, in the graph that had almost twice the sample size, the results showed a majority of radical Islam values. This brings me to the question that, maybe the results of the first graph would show a different value if they used the same sample size (note that it shouldn't be the same sample). Conversely, the opposite could be true, I just hope the stats that were collected didn't purposely skew the results in favour of a particular opinion.

With that one, it's anyone's guess

You can't argue that the extreme views are a minority though, that's my main point and takeaway from these stats. I have nothing against moderate Islam, but when people defend any extreme belief and dismiss it as "not all (insert name here)" the real issue and problem is ignored. If the majority of Christians were extreme, I'd complain about Christianity way more than I already do.

If you look at other religions it's the same, I believe Hinduism also has quite a few issues, seeing how it literally justifies and explains the class system, cementing it and forcing the poor to stay poor as "punishment from a past life of sin". And don't get me started on the poor Tibetans under the Buddhist priests.

Also as a sidenote, 4 years old isn't that unreliable, not that much will change in terms of beliefs and morals over a 4 year period in a whole country without something drastic occurring.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Does anyone know what he said?

I’ve said earlier it seems it’s been redacted

So for all we know he could've just said "I don't like Al-Islam", or said "the Islamic Scholars here are bad" and got jailed. Well this seems pretty effed up.

[New Sukberia]

So how does a thread discussing the serious problem of blasphemy laws turn into a vitriolic diatribe on Islam of the sort that down the road has a chance of setting off another New Zealand?

Talking about blasphemy laws provokes terrorist acts? Really?

[Astoriya]

Not 30% of Muslims - where did you even get that from
As said earlier, how about getting something that isn't 4 years out of date, eh ?

With that one, it's anyone's guess

You can't argue that the extreme views are a minority though, that's my main point and takeaway from these stats. I have nothing against moderate Islam, but when people defend any extreme belief and dismiss it as "not all (insert name here)" the real issue and problem is ignored. If the majority of Christians were extreme, I'd complain about Christianity way more than I already do.

If you look at other religions it's the same, I believe Hinduism also has quite a few issues, seeing how it literally justifies and explains the class system, cementing it and forcing the poor to stay poor as "punishment from a past life of sin". And don't get me started on the poor Tibetans under the Buddhist priests.

Also as a sidenote, 4 years old isn't that unreliable, not that much will change in terms of beliefs and morals over a 4 year period in a whole country without something drastic occurring.

I'm not defending any extreme beliefs - yes, it's obvious that there are some, but they cannot represent all 1.5 billion of us, because they're just a vocal minority
(Well, taking into account that most of these terror attacks started around 2016, it could all change)

[Internationalist Bastard]

I’ve said earlier it seems it’s been redacted

So for all we know he could've just said "I don't like Al-Islam", or said "the Islamic Scholars here are bad" and got jailed. Well this seems pretty effed up.

Agreed

[New Sukberia]

"Finally, has the Left, specifically the intersectional Third Wave feminist Western Left, turned its back on free speech, atheists (particularly ex-Muslim atheists) and critics of Islam, even when it involves people being sentenced to ten years in prison and mental health “counseling” for a perceived slight against a particular religion that,"

Finnally someone said it.

"Finally someone made the strawman"?

Strawman? Most leftists reject them own beliefs if it hurts someone's feelings anyway.