When you have to put a title statement in all caps then maybe it seems to me that there is nothing of real value to debate.
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by Benuty » Sun Mar 24, 2019 4:30 pm
by Holy Tedalonia » Sun Mar 24, 2019 4:31 pm
by Benuty » Sun Mar 24, 2019 4:32 pm
Holy Tedalonia wrote:At this point, I hate both SJWs and "Anti SJWs". In my eyes, they both overeact to the most stupid things, let alone overeacting to the other sides overeaction.
by The Emerald Legion » Sun Mar 24, 2019 4:39 pm
Communal concils wrote:Maydona wrote:"Anti-sjws", at least in my experience, are usually nothing more than broken records repeating everything they hear from their favourite youtubers and are pretty obnoxious to deal with, what makes it worse is they have little to zero original opinions of their own so it's always the same ol' tired arguments they bring up.
They are NPCs.
by Benuty » Sun Mar 24, 2019 4:41 pm
by Auzkhia » Sun Mar 24, 2019 4:45 pm
by Benuty » Sun Mar 24, 2019 4:48 pm
Auzkhia wrote:Are people still using "SJW" in 2019? I thought the right had newer and bolder stale memes to throw at us?
At any rate, I just see it as a reactionary snarl term, which implicitly tries to shame people from giving a damn about their fellow person, as if being into social justice is a bad thing. Yeah, how dare I want the liberation of society's marginalized groups!
I'd invite anyone who buys into the so called SJW as an ideological boogeyman, and say, where are your getting your image from? Go out and talk to real people, and lot of them do pretend to care about civility. You'll find the strawman is just stuffed together to keep you mad and outraged. You're being played, it's not too late to escape and get out of the pipeline.
by Holy Tedalonia » Sun Mar 24, 2019 4:52 pm
Auzkhia wrote:Are people still using "SJW" in 2019? I thought the right had newer and bolder stale memes to throw at us?
At any rate, I just see it as a reactionary snarl term, which implicitly tries to shame people from giving a damn about their fellow person, as if being into social justice is a bad thing. Yeah, how dare I want the liberation of society's marginalized groups!
I'd invite anyone who buys into the so called SJW as an ideological boogeyman, and say, where are your getting your image from? Go out and talk to real people, and lot of them do pretend to care about civility. You'll find the strawman is just stuffed together to keep you mad and outraged. You're being played, it's not too late to escape and get out of the pipeline.
by Holy Tedalonia » Sun Mar 24, 2019 4:54 pm
Benuty wrote:Holy Tedalonia wrote:At this point, I hate both SJWs and "Anti SJWs". In my eyes, they both overeact to the most stupid things, let alone overeacting to the other sides overeaction.
Both groups are merely agents of accelerationism, and okay in my book. The sooner this wild ride hits the reset button the better for humanity in general.
by LiberNovusAmericae » Sun Mar 24, 2019 4:54 pm
Auzkhia wrote:Are people still using "SJW" in 2019? I thought the right had newer and bolder stale memes to throw at us?
At any rate, I just see it as a reactionary snarl term, which implicitly tries to shame people from giving a damn about their fellow person, as if being into social justice is a bad thing. Yeah, how dare I want the liberation of society's marginalized groups!
I'd invite anyone who buys into the so called SJW as an ideological boogeyman, and say, where are your getting your image from? Go out and talk to real people, and lot of them do pretend to care about civility. You'll find the strawman is just stuffed together to keep you mad and outraged. You're being played, it's not too late to escape and get out of the pipeline.
by Communal concils » Sun Mar 24, 2019 4:55 pm
Free Arabian Nation wrote:Aren't you the same guy who said "Brocalists" were a good group?
Secondly, while I agree Anti-SJWs are bad, SJWs are also bad as both are psychopathic extremist groups willing to gut the other side over what equates to stupid internet arguments.
by Communal concils » Sun Mar 24, 2019 5:00 pm
by Holy Tedalonia » Sun Mar 24, 2019 5:02 pm
Communal concils wrote:Benuty wrote:When you have to put a title statement in all caps then maybe it seems to me that there is nothing of real value to debate.
There is value to talk about something. Just putting the word SJW is enough to get people to click on articles videos or forum threads like this, but it's a person's choice to even click on it. The Title is related to the actual debate, so there isn't a real problem with the discussion.
by Communal concils » Sun Mar 24, 2019 5:06 pm
Holy Tedalonia wrote:Communal concils wrote:
There is value to talk about something. Just putting the word SJW is enough to get people to click on articles videos or forum threads like this, but it's a person's choice to even click on it. The Title is related to the actual debate, so there isn't a real problem with the discussion.
I think hes saying doing all caps devalues the thread, a opinion that I would agree with.
by Auzkhia » Sun Mar 24, 2019 5:06 pm
Communal concils wrote:Free Arabian Nation wrote:Aren't you the same guy who said "Brocalists" were a good group?
Secondly, while I agree Anti-SJWs are bad, SJWs are also bad as both are psychopathic extremist groups willing to gut the other side over what equates to stupid internet arguments.
well you are right about the groups similarities. SJW isn't really a group to me, they we should call them Left-libertarians. That's all they really are. The anti-SJW is usually an alliance between several right-wing ideologies, with a few leftist joining( though they are questionable). they are all foolish, and their clashes are important. The SJW isn't at all that important, however the Anti-SJW is very large. Therefor it deserves a little bit more meaningful criticism, while the suppose SJW can be mocked.
Yes I did said Brocialist were good, that's because they are very unorthodox, and they are excluded by other western leftist because of it. Brocialism is just a weaponize word to shut up people, just like SJW is used as a weaponize word to shut up people.
by Ifreann » Sun Mar 24, 2019 5:10 pm
Auristania wrote:SJW are insignificant and have zero Political Power???
You never heard of the smokers' ban? Well done for people with zero Power. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoking_ban
European Court decrees punishment for blasphemy against Mohammed Peace be upon him, the most holy, the most righteous, the one True god. https://www.wnd.com/2018/10/woman-convicted-for-calling-muhammad-pedophile/ Well done for people with zero Power.
by Communal concils » Sun Mar 24, 2019 5:29 pm
Auzkhia wrote:Communal concils wrote:
well you are right about the groups similarities. SJW isn't really a group to me, they we should call them Left-libertarians. That's all they really are. The anti-SJW is usually an alliance between several right-wing ideologies, with a few leftist joining( though they are questionable). they are all foolish, and their clashes are important. The SJW isn't at all that important, however the Anti-SJW is very large. Therefor it deserves a little bit more meaningful criticism, while the suppose SJW can be mocked.
Yes I did said Brocialist were good, that's because they are very unorthodox, and they are excluded by other western leftist because of it. Brocialism is just a weaponize word to shut up people, just like SJW is used as a weaponize word to shut up people.
I'm pretty sure "brocialist" came about to address misogyny that leftist men let go unchecked.
It reminds me a bit of the origins of black feminism since women were doing work and never recognized or their specific concerns never got addressed in male led black spaces and civil rights movements.
The whole premise of black feminism is intersectionality, in which that when all black women are free, everyone will be too.
How so? It's not just about freedom from racism and sexism, but also homophobia and transphobia, ableism, and class, in the case of queer, trans, disabled, and/or poor black women. Nearly all black feminist theorists are socialist, mind you.
Socialism's strength lies in the solidarity of people, work together, helping each other, even on issues that do not directly effect them.
by Ifreann » Sun Mar 24, 2019 5:31 pm
Communal concils wrote:Auzkhia wrote:I'm pretty sure "brocialist" came about to address misogyny that leftist men let go unchecked.
It reminds me a bit of the origins of black feminism since women were doing work and never recognized or their specific concerns never got addressed in male led black spaces and civil rights movements.
The whole premise of black feminism is intersectionality, in which that when all black women are free, everyone will be too.
How so? It's not just about freedom from racism and sexism, but also homophobia and transphobia, ableism, and class, in the case of queer, trans, disabled, and/or poor black women. Nearly all black feminist theorists are socialist, mind you.
Socialism's strength lies in the solidarity of people, work together, helping each other, even on issues that do not directly effect them.
To me, it is best if you abolish the everything that divides people. If you some how abolish race, then that end racism. If you destroy gender roles and the diversity of sexism, then discrimination base on sex and sexuality is done. If we work hard enough, ableism can be removed by finding cure for conditions.
Socialism should not be about a collection of people that will eventually fight each other, but a unified collective base on equality. So a reject intersectionality, because it does not go to the roots of the problem.
by Communal concils » Sun Mar 24, 2019 5:37 pm
Ifreann wrote:Communal concils wrote:
To me, it is best if you abolish the everything that divides people. If you some how abolish race, then that end racism. If you destroy gender roles and the diversity of sexism, then discrimination base on sex and sexuality is done. If we work hard enough, ableism can be removed by finding cure for conditions.
Socialism should not be about a collection of people that will eventually fight each other, but a unified collective base on equality. So a reject intersectionality, because it does not go to the roots of the problem.
Or maybe we could not homogenise humanity.
by Auzkhia » Sun Mar 24, 2019 5:49 pm
Communal concils wrote:Auzkhia wrote:I'm pretty sure "brocialist" came about to address misogyny that leftist men let go unchecked.
It reminds me a bit of the origins of black feminism since women were doing work and never recognized or their specific concerns never got addressed in male led black spaces and civil rights movements.
The whole premise of black feminism is intersectionality, in which that when all black women are free, everyone will be too.
How so? It's not just about freedom from racism and sexism, but also homophobia and transphobia, ableism, and class, in the case of queer, trans, disabled, and/or poor black women. Nearly all black feminist theorists are socialist, mind you.
Socialism's strength lies in the solidarity of people, work together, helping each other, even on issues that do not directly effect them.
To me, it is best if you abolish everything that divides people. If you some how abolish race, then that end racism. If you destroy gender roles and the diversity of sexism, then discrimination base on sex and sexuality is done. If we work hard enough, ableism can be removed by finding cure for conditions.
Socialism should not be about a collection of people that will eventually fight each other, but a unified collective base on equality. So a reject intersectionality, because it does not go to the roots of the problem.
by Communal concils » Sun Mar 24, 2019 5:55 pm
by Western Vale Confederacy » Sun Mar 24, 2019 5:56 pm
by Holy Tedalonia » Sun Mar 24, 2019 6:01 pm
Communal concils wrote:Ifreann wrote:No, it really, really would not.
It would be a better solution to those that propose a diverse collection of people. History has show that Hyper-diversity can breed conflict. eventually people wouldn't see themselves having similarities, and tribalism would plague their minds. This leads to violence and oppression to people.This oppression can be applied to all groups.
by Dresderstan » Sun Mar 24, 2019 6:08 pm
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:At this point, I just want people to shut the hell up.
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