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Postby Fahran » Wed Mar 27, 2019 9:26 pm

Tobleste wrote:His allies being caught obstructing an investigation isn't minor. It suggests they're hiding something or are undermining the rule of law.

Yes, but it does not suggest that they're necessarily hiding violations of the law that are relevant to the investigation that occurred. We'll know more when the Mueller Report is published in full, but, in the meantime, we're speculating based on indictments that don't prove anything concrete regarding collusion, financial irregularities, or other high crimes and misdemeanors. We should presume innocence of any criminal wrong-doing until it can be proven.

Tobleste wrote:I disagree on his chances of impeachment. Despite his widespread unpopularity, hes dominant among the base and Fox news. The party elite dislike him but they wouldn't act unless it was in their interest and considering that they need trumps base, they need him regardless of how much he disgusts the rest of the nation.

His popularity is arguably shakier than many would believe among his base. It's a somewhat perplexing statistical fact in light of how successful his presidency has been in concrete terms. Generally, presidents who maintain a strong economy, don't get embroiled in foreign misadventures, oversee low rates of unemployment, and don't actively attempt to rescind the civil rights of citizens or attack social institutions should be expected to enjoy robust support among their base, within their party, and across the broader electorate. With regard to Trump, negative press, polarization, and personal flaws seem to have created a new historical precedent. I believe it was CNN that reported that only fifty percent of Republicans said they'd vote for him in a primary.

Tobleste wrote:China should be confronted but his approach comes from a hatred for trade and a misunderstanding of it. He's picked trade conflicts with the rest of North America, China and Europe. If he was smart, he'd build a coalition against China and deal with the main threat.

His renegotiation of NAFTA could be advantageous to an extent, depending on how precisely that pans out. His confrontation of Europe's laxness on foreign policy was about as measured as they deserve given that Germany hasn't met its military obligations and seems intent on increasing its economic and energy reliance on an aggressive foreign power in Putin's Russia. My main criticism on Trump's trade policy is more related to his rejection of the TPP, which would have been advantageous for agriculture, fishing, and other American industries. Japan presently engages in some bad faith trading policies, such as letting American fish imports sit out on the docks as they're "assessed for safety", but the other markets would have been a boon for American beef producers.

Tobleste wrote:The deficit increased under Obama's first few years and then declined. The GOP isn't really a believer in fiscal conservatism. If anything, they appear to be trying to bankrupt the government to stop social programs. The Democrats generally pay for what they spend (mostly).

It increased dramatically in his first few years as president before declining with a Republican Congress to levels that still more often than not exceeded Bush's deficit spending. Neither party is fiscally conservative in any genuine respect and neither party has routinely paid for their spending in decades.

Tobleste wrote:I think if Iran collapses, it wouldn't be a positive. A country with some degree of nuclear technology fighting a civil war or being taken over in a coup isn't an ideal result.

We should have allowed the Israelis to bomb their facilities like they did to Syria. Or at least stepped out of the way as they assassinated scientists and engineers active in the nuclear program. We gave the Israelis assurance that our plan would prevent the Iranians from gaining nuclear capabilities and, if they have them now, it's largely the fault of an effete and weak-willed foreign policy with regard to Iran under Obama. That said, supporting Iran or giving them a pass doesn't really serve us any more than giving them a light shove, especially when it could bring the nationalists to power instead of the theocrats. We can work with the nationalists at least.

Tobleste wrote:If you identify as a nationalist and dislike every Democrat since Carter, then Democrats were never likely to get your vote in 2020. They should focus on the people who might vote for them and fight for their interests.

I actually wouldn't have minded Clinton so much aside from the whole serial rapist thing. I'm actually quite ambivalent to B. Clinton and Bush, viewing them as a degeneration but a tolerable one. I was mixed on Obama as well, but broke pretty hard against both H. Clinton and Trump. Put out a Blue Dog Democrat from the Midwest/Appalachia or a civic nationalist up who resembles Kennedy, and I might go with the blues over the reds. I'm not going to support Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, or Kamala Harris though.

Tobleste wrote:I'll think trump will also disappoint you. His nationalism fights for a small segment of the US population. White, Christian and conservative are the 'real Americans'. Trump isn't a uniter. He's an opportunistic race baiter.

I have no real delusions about what Trump is, but nationalism being pertinent to the discussion again might be useful in punching back against the rootlessness and weak identitarianism that have taken hold across the political spectrum. We might actually begin to have a sincere conversation on what it means to be an American as opposed to what it means to be individuals or citizens of the world. Democrats aren't ready for that conversation yet - since it's not a conversation they've had since B. Clinton. Mind you, I don't see the problem as tied to specific Democratic leaders, but, rather, the philosophy and direction of the party as a whole.
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Postby Yusseria » Thu Mar 28, 2019 12:47 am

Vassenor wrote:CNN Poll: Majority says Trump not exonerated of collusion after Barr's summary

Complete dataset is linked in the article should anyone wish to peruse it in detail.

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Postby Gravlen » Thu Mar 28, 2019 1:04 am

Ors Might wrote:
Vassenor wrote:CNN Poll: Majority says Trump not exonerated of collusion after Barr's summary

Complete dataset is linked in the article should anyone wish to peruse it in detail.

What is this supposed to prove?

I won't speak for Vass' intentions, but it is an interesting look at the entrenched tribalism in the US:

A majority (56%) says the President and his campaign have not been exonerated of collusion, but that what they've heard or read about the report shows collusion could not be proven. Fewer, 43%, say Trump and his team have been exonerated of collusion.

See, at the same time, Trump's approval rating, for example this poll from Morning Consult:

Do you approve or disapprove of the job Donald Trump is doing as President
Approve: 42%
Disapprove: 55%
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Postby Ors Might » Thu Mar 28, 2019 4:43 am

Gravlen wrote:
Ors Might wrote:What is this supposed to prove?

I won't speak for Vass' intentions, but it is an interesting look at the entrenched tribalism in the US:

A majority (56%) says the President and his campaign have not been exonerated of collusion, but that what they've heard or read about the report shows collusion could not be proven. Fewer, 43%, say Trump and his team have been exonerated of collusion.

See, at the same time, Trump's approval rating, for example this poll from Morning Consult:

Do you approve or disapprove of the job Donald Trump is doing as President
Approve: 42%
Disapprove: 55%

Makes sense I suppose. If you approve of the job someone does, you’re more inclined to support interpretations and perspectives that favor them. If you disapprove of them, the opposite.
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Postby Gravlen » Thu Mar 28, 2019 11:06 am

Fox News senior judicial analyst Judge Andrew Napolitano warned Fox viewers Wednesday that the still-unseen report from Special Counsel Robert Mueller likely contains evidence pointing to conspiracy and obstruction that Democrats will be able to seize on over the coming months and into the 2020 presidential election.

[...]

Appearing on Fox Business Network’s Cavuto Coast to Coast Wednesday, Napolitano attempted to explain exactly where Schiff was coming from by getting inside his “head.”

“We saw on Sunday a four-page summary of a 700-page report,” the Fox analyst said. “The 700-page report is a summary of two million pages of documents, of raw evidence.”

He continued: “In the 700-page summary of the two million pages of raw evidence, there is undoubtedly some evidence of a conspiracy and some evidence of obstruction of justice, just not enough evidence—I’m thinking the way I believe Congressman Schiff is thinking—according to Attorney General Barr, not enough evidence to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt, which is the standard.”

Napolitano went on to note that if “there were no evidence of conspiracy and no evidence of obstruction, the attorney general would have told us so,” adding that Barr didn’t, so “there is something there” that Democrats and Trump opponents want to see. And they’ll have a “field day” with it.

Host Neil Cavuto wondered that if Barr possibly characterized the Mueller report incorrectly or misleadingly, wouldn’t Mueller have issued a clarifying statement, prompting Napolitano to answer “yes and no.”

“On the conspiracy charge...Mueller, Rosenstein, Barr are on the same page,” the judge responded. “There is something there, but it is not enough to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.”

He added: “On the obstruction charge, Mueller did what a lot of prosecutors do—they kick it upstairs. Let the boss decide this. The evidence is equivocal. There is evidence of obstruction. There is evidence of no obstruction. They’re equivocal.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/foxs-judge-napolitano-on-conspiracy-in-mueller-report-there-is-something-there?

An interesting claim being made by Judge Andrew Napolitano about the page count of the Mueller report. The NY Times has gotten confirmation from the DoJ that the report is "more than 300 pages long".

If it truly is around 700 pages, and Mueller couldn't draw a clear conclusion on obstruction, it will indeed be very interesting to see what's in the report.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Mar 28, 2019 11:08 am

Gravlen wrote:
Fox News senior judicial analyst Judge Andrew Napolitano warned Fox viewers Wednesday that the still-unseen report from Special Counsel Robert Mueller likely contains evidence pointing to conspiracy and obstruction that Democrats will be able to seize on over the coming months and into the 2020 presidential election.

[...]

Appearing on Fox Business Network’s Cavuto Coast to Coast Wednesday, Napolitano attempted to explain exactly where Schiff was coming from by getting inside his “head.”

“We saw on Sunday a four-page summary of a 700-page report,” the Fox analyst said. “The 700-page report is a summary of two million pages of documents, of raw evidence.”

He continued: “In the 700-page summary of the two million pages of raw evidence, there is undoubtedly some evidence of a conspiracy and some evidence of obstruction of justice, just not enough evidence—I’m thinking the way I believe Congressman Schiff is thinking—according to Attorney General Barr, not enough evidence to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt, which is the standard.”

Napolitano went on to note that if “there were no evidence of conspiracy and no evidence of obstruction, the attorney general would have told us so,” adding that Barr didn’t, so “there is something there” that Democrats and Trump opponents want to see. And they’ll have a “field day” with it.

Host Neil Cavuto wondered that if Barr possibly characterized the Mueller report incorrectly or misleadingly, wouldn’t Mueller have issued a clarifying statement, prompting Napolitano to answer “yes and no.”

“On the conspiracy charge...Mueller, Rosenstein, Barr are on the same page,” the judge responded. “There is something there, but it is not enough to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.”

He added: “On the obstruction charge, Mueller did what a lot of prosecutors do—they kick it upstairs. Let the boss decide this. The evidence is equivocal. There is evidence of obstruction. There is evidence of no obstruction. They’re equivocal.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/foxs-judge-napolitano-on-conspiracy-in-mueller-report-there-is-something-there?

An interesting claim being made by Judge Andrew Napolitano about the page count of the Mueller report. The NY Times has gotten confirmation from the DoJ that the report is "more than 300 pages long".

If it truly is around 700 pages, and Mueller couldn't draw a clear conclusion on obstruction, it will indeed be very interesting to see what's in the report.


Problem is we won't get to see it until after Trump is allowed to go at it with the crayons.
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Postby Valrifell » Thu Mar 28, 2019 11:11 am

Vassenor wrote:
Gravlen wrote:
Fox News senior judicial analyst Judge Andrew Napolitano warned Fox viewers Wednesday that the still-unseen report from Special Counsel Robert Mueller likely contains evidence pointing to conspiracy and obstruction that Democrats will be able to seize on over the coming months and into the 2020 presidential election.

[...]

Appearing on Fox Business Network’s Cavuto Coast to Coast Wednesday, Napolitano attempted to explain exactly where Schiff was coming from by getting inside his “head.”

“We saw on Sunday a four-page summary of a 700-page report,” the Fox analyst said. “The 700-page report is a summary of two million pages of documents, of raw evidence.”

He continued: “In the 700-page summary of the two million pages of raw evidence, there is undoubtedly some evidence of a conspiracy and some evidence of obstruction of justice, just not enough evidence—I’m thinking the way I believe Congressman Schiff is thinking—according to Attorney General Barr, not enough evidence to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt, which is the standard.”

Napolitano went on to note that if “there were no evidence of conspiracy and no evidence of obstruction, the attorney general would have told us so,” adding that Barr didn’t, so “there is something there” that Democrats and Trump opponents want to see. And they’ll have a “field day” with it.

Host Neil Cavuto wondered that if Barr possibly characterized the Mueller report incorrectly or misleadingly, wouldn’t Mueller have issued a clarifying statement, prompting Napolitano to answer “yes and no.”

“On the conspiracy charge...Mueller, Rosenstein, Barr are on the same page,” the judge responded. “There is something there, but it is not enough to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.”

He added: “On the obstruction charge, Mueller did what a lot of prosecutors do—they kick it upstairs. Let the boss decide this. The evidence is equivocal. There is evidence of obstruction. There is evidence of no obstruction. They’re equivocal.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/foxs-judge-napolitano-on-conspiracy-in-mueller-report-there-is-something-there?

An interesting claim being made by Judge Andrew Napolitano about the page count of the Mueller report. The NY Times has gotten confirmation from the DoJ that the report is "more than 300 pages long".

If it truly is around 700 pages, and Mueller couldn't draw a clear conclusion on obstruction, it will indeed be very interesting to see what's in the report.


Problem is we won't get to see it until after Trump is allowed to go at it with the crayons.


There's a fairly decent chance that someone will end up leaking the thing.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Thu Mar 28, 2019 11:16 am

Valrifell wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Problem is we won't get to see it until after Trump is allowed to go at it with the crayons.


There's a fairly decent chance that someone will end up leaking the thing.

The irony of it ending up on Wikileaks would be something...
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Postby Yusseria » Thu Mar 28, 2019 11:19 am

Vassenor wrote:
Gravlen wrote:
Fox News senior judicial analyst Judge Andrew Napolitano warned Fox viewers Wednesday that the still-unseen report from Special Counsel Robert Mueller likely contains evidence pointing to conspiracy and obstruction that Democrats will be able to seize on over the coming months and into the 2020 presidential election.

[...]

Appearing on Fox Business Network’s Cavuto Coast to Coast Wednesday, Napolitano attempted to explain exactly where Schiff was coming from by getting inside his “head.”

“We saw on Sunday a four-page summary of a 700-page report,” the Fox analyst said. “The 700-page report is a summary of two million pages of documents, of raw evidence.”

He continued: “In the 700-page summary of the two million pages of raw evidence, there is undoubtedly some evidence of a conspiracy and some evidence of obstruction of justice, just not enough evidence—I’m thinking the way I believe Congressman Schiff is thinking—according to Attorney General Barr, not enough evidence to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt, which is the standard.”

Napolitano went on to note that if “there were no evidence of conspiracy and no evidence of obstruction, the attorney general would have told us so,” adding that Barr didn’t, so “there is something there” that Democrats and Trump opponents want to see. And they’ll have a “field day” with it.

Host Neil Cavuto wondered that if Barr possibly characterized the Mueller report incorrectly or misleadingly, wouldn’t Mueller have issued a clarifying statement, prompting Napolitano to answer “yes and no.”

“On the conspiracy charge...Mueller, Rosenstein, Barr are on the same page,” the judge responded. “There is something there, but it is not enough to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.”

He added: “On the obstruction charge, Mueller did what a lot of prosecutors do—they kick it upstairs. Let the boss decide this. The evidence is equivocal. There is evidence of obstruction. There is evidence of no obstruction. They’re equivocal.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/foxs-judge-napolitano-on-conspiracy-in-mueller-report-there-is-something-there?

An interesting claim being made by Judge Andrew Napolitano about the page count of the Mueller report. The NY Times has gotten confirmation from the DoJ that the report is "more than 300 pages long".

If it truly is around 700 pages, and Mueller couldn't draw a clear conclusion on obstruction, it will indeed be very interesting to see what's in the report.


Problem is we won't get to see it until after Trump is allowed to go at it with the crayons.

The beauty of this all is that there was a great deal of chest-thumping back in ye olden days about Trump wanting to release the FISA warrant for Carter Page and how it would be damaging to national security because of the classified information contained within.

Now, of course, all the leftists are shrieking that if the Mueller report is released with redactions then it means that Trump is obviously trying to cover something up.
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Cannot think of a name wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
There's a fairly decent chance that someone will end up leaking the thing.

The irony of it ending up on Wikileaks would be something...


Assange would, no doubt, find it preferable to personally reject putting it up. I mean, what, do you want the neoliberal shills to win?!
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Thu Mar 28, 2019 11:29 am

Yusseria wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Problem is we won't get to see it until after Trump is allowed to go at it with the crayons.

The beauty of this all is that there was a great deal of chest-thumping back in ye olden days about Trump wanting to release the FISA warrant for Carter Page and how it would be damaging to national security because of the classified information contained within.

Now, of course, all the leftists are shrieking that if the Mueller report is released with redactions then it means that Trump is obviously trying to cover something up.

You're missing an important element to make your disingenuous point. If it's Trump doing the redactions, then yes they're suspect. Key element, makes all the difference in the world.
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Postby Gravlen » Thu Mar 28, 2019 11:34 am

Yusseria wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Problem is we won't get to see it until after Trump is allowed to go at it with the crayons.

The beauty of this all is that there was a great deal of chest-thumping back in ye olden days about Trump wanting to release the FISA warrant for Carter Page and how it would be damaging to national security because of the classified information contained within.

Now, of course, all the leftists are shrieking that if the Mueller report is released with redactions then it means that Trump is obviously trying to cover something up.

Of course, there is a difference bewteen redacting classified information and redacting due to executive privilege.

Graham claims Trump won't invoke executive privilege, but as we know, the word of the president doesn't mean shit so we'll just have to wait and see.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Mar 28, 2019 11:36 am

Yusseria wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Problem is we won't get to see it until after Trump is allowed to go at it with the crayons.

The beauty of this all is that there was a great deal of chest-thumping back in ye olden days about Trump wanting to release the FISA warrant for Carter Page and how it would be damaging to national security because of the classified information contained within.

Now, of course, all the leftists are shrieking that if the Mueller report is released with redactions then it means that Trump is obviously trying to cover something up.


Eh? You might want to explain how these are the same. We have the Mueller report looking as if it will be edited by donnie and his people. The other? based off a dishonest memo by the committee chair......
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Mar 28, 2019 11:47 am

Yusseria wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Problem is we won't get to see it until after Trump is allowed to go at it with the crayons.

The beauty of this all is that there was a great deal of chest-thumping back in ye olden days about Trump wanting to release the FISA warrant for Carter Page and how it would be damaging to national security because of the classified information contained within.

Now, of course, all the leftists are shrieking that if the Mueller report is released with redactions then it means that Trump is obviously trying to cover something up.


So why does Trump get to make said redaction personally rather than a neutral party?
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Cannot think of a name wrote:
Yusseria wrote:The beauty of this all is that there was a great deal of chest-thumping back in ye olden days about Trump wanting to release the FISA warrant for Carter Page and how it would be damaging to national security because of the classified information contained within.

Now, of course, all the leftists are shrieking that if the Mueller report is released with redactions then it means that Trump is obviously trying to cover something up.

You're missing an important element to make your disingenuous point. If it's Trump doing the redactions, then yes they're suspect. Key element, makes all the difference in the world.

And yet it wouldn't because, ya know, the Jutice Department would be the one doing the redacting.

This whole executive privilege thing materialized out of thin air. Trump's given no indication he would do such a thing, yet we're supposed to be outraged nonetheless. It's moronic and asinine. You've concocted a non-issue.
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Vassenor wrote:
Yusseria wrote:The beauty of this all is that there was a great deal of chest-thumping back in ye olden days about Trump wanting to release the FISA warrant for Carter Page and how it would be damaging to national security because of the classified information contained within.

Now, of course, all the leftists are shrieking that if the Mueller report is released with redactions then it means that Trump is obviously trying to cover something up.


So why does Trump get to make said redaction personally rather than a neutral party?

...who said he would personally do it? It would most likely be the Justice Department.

Excellent work again at strawmanning. Well done.
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Postby Valrifell » Thu Mar 28, 2019 12:13 pm

I gotta say, though, the reveal that the Mueller report is 700 pages really made me go from "Barr mischaracterizing or lying about the report is technically plausible but sounds like a conspiracy theory" to "holy shit it's definitely very possible - or even likely - that Barr heavily mischaracterized, or even lied, about the report."
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There's a fairly decent chance that someone will end up leaking the thing.

The irony of it ending up on Wikileaks would be something...

Doubtful. Wikileaks has a history of catching-and-killing documents that make Russia look bad if I recall properly so they would likely sit on the Mueller Report, maybe even give Trump a heads up on it.
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Postby Gormwood » Thu Mar 28, 2019 12:47 pm

Yusseria wrote:
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So why does Trump get to make said redaction personally rather than a neutral party?

...who said he would personally do it? It would most likely be the Justice Department.

Excellent work again at strawmanning. Well done.

By Justice Department officials either appointed by Trump or under the direction and/or pressure of Trump appointees.

Insert cartoon of anthromorphic dog in a burning room.
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Postby Gormwood » Thu Mar 28, 2019 12:49 pm

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Problem is we won't get to see it until after Trump is allowed to go at it with the crayons.

The beauty of this all is that there was a great deal of chest-thumping back in ye olden days about Trump wanting to release the FISA warrant for Carter Page and how it would be damaging to national security because of the classified information contained within.

Now, of course, all the leftists are shrieking that if the Mueller report is released with redactions then it means that Trump is obviously trying to cover something up.

The gaps will likely be way longer than 15 minutes here.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Mar 28, 2019 12:50 pm

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So why does Trump get to make said redaction personally rather than a neutral party?

...who said he would personally do it? It would most likely be the Justice Department.

Excellent work again at strawmanning. Well done.


Try again. It's been reported the WH expects to see the report first as they wish to use executive privilege if needed on what is reported.
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Postby Gormwood » Thu Mar 28, 2019 12:51 pm

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Yusseria wrote:...who said he would personally do it? It would most likely be the Justice Department.

Excellent work again at strawmanning. Well done.


Try again. It's been reported the WH expects to see the report first as they wish to use executive privilege if needed on what is reported.

Definitely longer than 15 minutes.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Thu Mar 28, 2019 1:01 pm

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The Black Forrest wrote:
Try again. It's been reported the WH expects to see the report first as they wish to use executive privilege if needed on what is reported.

Definitely longer than 15 minutes.

They'll have to put Alice's Restaurant on repeat...




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Postby Vassenor » Thu Mar 28, 2019 1:33 pm

Yusseria wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So why does Trump get to make said redaction personally rather than a neutral party?

...who said he would personally do it? It would most likely be the Justice Department.

Excellent work again at strawmanning. Well done.


Oh please. Last time I checked Lindsay Graham is very much a real person and not a strawman.
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Postby Telconi » Thu Mar 28, 2019 2:10 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Yusseria wrote:...who said he would personally do it? It would most likely be the Justice Department.

Excellent work again at strawmanning. Well done.


Oh please. Last time I checked Lindsay Graham is very much a real person and not a strawman.


He didn't say he would personally.
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