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So I'll be continuing to steal Comrade Conscentia's words, and post format, and resources (from previous supreme leader UMN) and welcome you all once again to the Left-Wing Discussion Thread (LWDT), where all are welcome to discuss all matters pertaining to the political left. This is a discussion thread about left-wing politics, not a thread exclusively for left-wing people. All are invited to post here, as long as discussion pertains to the topic and complies with the forum rules.

Suggestions for improvements, changes, or additions to the poll and opening post are very welcome.

The previous iteration of the LWDT can be found here.

Relevant subjects for discussion include:

• The politics, philosophies, and ideologies of the political left.
• Left-wing perspectives on economics and political economy.
• News and history relevant to the political left.
• Left-wing responses to current events.
• Left-wing perspectives on social and economic problems.
• Political, social, cultural, and economic problems and their solutions according to the political left.
• Leftist intersectionality with movements aimed at alleviating the suffering of oppressed minority groups such as the LGBT+ community, oppressed racial minority groups, and more.
• Bread, bread, bread, and bread! Thanks Bread Santa!
• How Capitalism oppresses the working class laborers of society.
• Why the concept of billionaires is a horrible concept for any society, ever.
• The problems facing particular left-wing movements or the political left in general, and how to resolve them.

Poll History:














Reading Suggestions:
If you’re looking to read something relevant to left-wing politics, consider reading some of the texts below. If you think something’s missing from this list, please post a recommendation. If you think something should be removed, please explain why.



Video Suggestions:
If you’d rather watch something relevant to left-wing politics, consider having a look at some of the videos below. If you think something’s missing from this list, please post a recommendation. If you think something should be removed, please explain why.



Lots of free leftist literature is available at:

• Marxists Internet Archive
• Libcom.org
• The Anarchist Library
• Marx & Engels Collected Works

Free leftist audiobooks are also available at:

• https://www.reddit.com/r/AudioSocialism/
• https://www.marxists.org/audiobooks/index.htm
• https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvfeZJmLFo2o90A0v3ce2_Q/videos
• https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCaO1QA8QL99_eb0XhJI2Fyw/videos

Other useful resources:

• Molleindustria
• MarxistPhilosophy.org
• Anti-Dialectics
• Nestor Makhno Archive
• An Anarchist FAQ
• Dictionary of Revolutionary Marxism
• Communist Reading List (Ultra-Left)

If you’re interested in discussing matters pertaining to the political right, we can recommend several entirely voluntary re-education seminars to remedy this unfortunate perspective. So, get to it.

*as we now have developed our intellectual industry, we are immediately launching the people's revolution against the fascist forces of the RWDT
I dedicate this thread in honor of Torrocca's Anarchist Internet Commune. AMA about it :3

First Poll will be added shortily after the thread is secured in its position on NSG.

**The short-lived Samurai incursion into our leftist space has been obliterated swiftly.

>:3

Yusseria wrote:

Pasong Tirad wrote:Fuck yeah, censor authoritarians.

God, the irony.

That's why it's called a paradox. Yes, defending freedom and democracy requires censoring groups that are opposed to freedom and democracy. It'd be nice if it weren't that way, but what we want and what "is" are sometimes two very different things.

Proctopeo wrote:

Torrocca wrote:
It's the paradox of intolerance, famalam. There's no problem with suppressing authoritarianism to preserve liberty.

I mean, sure, but if I went with that line of thinking I'd have to suppress you too.
As much fun as that might be you're more useful alive and free than alive and in a political prison.

Since she's not an authoritarian, no. At that point you'd literally just be suppressing a person for disagreeing with you, rather than because they present a legitimate threat to other people's wellbeing.

New haven america wrote:>:3

Welcome to the YPGvolution, comrade. Your anti-ISIS results may vary, but only very goodly of course. :3

Torrocca wrote:

New haven america wrote:>:3

Welcome to the YPGvolution, comrade. Your anti-ISIS results may vary, but only very goodly of course. :3

I'm glad to be on the first page, sir.

Samurai? Really? Samurai were traditionalist aristocrats, what would they have to do with the left wing?

Bienenhalde wrote:Samurai? Really? Samurai were traditionalist aristocrats, what would they have to do with the left wing?

... I-I liked Seven Samurai as a movie and I had nothing else on my mind r-regarding the number! I-It's totally not a call for a world-dominating system of Japanese Feudalism!

This is now a Maximist thread.

Communism is bad.

Crysuko wrote:This is now a Maximist thread.

This is now a minimalist thread.

Yusseria wrote:Communism is bad.

Christianity is brilliant.

Conserative Morality wrote:

Crysuko wrote:This is now a Maximist thread.

This is now a minimalist thread.

This is now a moderatist thread. Any straying from the medium will be met with neutral squabbling.

Crysuko wrote:This is now a Maximist thread.

Down with Maximism! Long live Revolutionary SocDem Netherlands!

EDIT: This is a somewhat obscure Kaiserreich reference. The Netherlands can have a leftist political revolution and join the Internationale... while continuously maintaining a Social Democratic government and a constitutional monarchy.

Uiiop wrote:

Yusseria wrote:Communism is bad.

Christianity is brilliant.

religion is no longer needed, and must be retired.

Reminder, the literal goddamn Nazis didn't persecute someone for training his dog to do the Nazi salute on command. They considered it, but decided it wasn't necessary to press charges against Tor Borg and his dog Jackie.

No, the literal goddamn Nazis just want to murder everyone who doesn't look like them. Clearly they have the moral high ground.

It's obvious, from the example given by Borg, that Dankula was making fun of the German Reich and not congratulating it, which is corroborated by his statements saying (paraphrasing here) that "wouldn't it be funny to make a cute thing do the least cute thing imaginable?".

His intent is completely irrelevant. We can't prove what he "intended," we can only prove what he did (not that I particularly give a shit what his intent was anyway).

Bienenhalde wrote:Samurai? Really? Samurai were traditionalist aristocrats, what would they have to do with the left wing?

Either way, what happened to them in the end was awesome.

Conserative Morality wrote:

Crysuko wrote:This is now a Maximist thread.

This is now a minimalist thread.

Now post-minimalism.

Byzconia wrote:His intent is completely irrelevant. We can't prove what he "intended," we can only prove what he did (not that I particularly give a shit what his intent was anyway).

What he did was teach his dog to do a Hitler salute. It was a complete and utter non-issue.

Torrocca wrote:

Conserative Morality wrote:This is now a minimalist thread.

This is now a moderatist thread. Any straying from the medium will be met with neutral squabbling.

Damn right.

Greater Westralia wrote:

Byzconia wrote:His intent is completely irrelevant. We can't prove what he "intended," we can only prove what he did (not that I particularly give a shit what his intent was anyway).

What he did was teach his dog to do a Hitler salute. It was a complete and utter non-issue.

he was being an edgelord and the law made a mountain out of a molehill. it could have been a complete non-issue if not for the kneejerk

Torrocca wrote:

Conserative Morality wrote:This is now a minimalist thread.

This is now a moderatist thread. Any straying from the medium will be met with neutral squabbling.

"Never trust a Neutral, Kif." - Zapp Branigan. Those words have stuck with me always.

Byzconia wrote:His intent is completely irrelevant. We can't prove what he "intended," we can only prove what he did (not that I particularly give a shit what his intent was anyway).

He said that his intent was to turn the dog evil to prank his Girlfriend. His intent was obvious, unless you actually believe that anyone who dares make a joke should be subjected to the boot of the law.

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:

Torrocca wrote:
This is now a moderatist thread. Any straying from the medium will be met with neutral squabbling.

Damn right.

"Right"? YOU STRAY FROM THE MEDIAN. INCONSEQUENTIAL SHAME IS YOURS FOR HALF OF YOUR LIFE NOW.

Byzconia wrote:

Torrocca wrote:
This is now a moderatist thread. Any straying from the medium will be met with neutral squabbling.

"Never trust a Neutral, Kif." - Zapp Branigan. Those words have stuck with me always.

Zapp Brannigan is a hero, I tell you what.

Greater Westralia wrote:

Byzconia wrote:His intent is completely irrelevant. We can't prove what he "intended," we can only prove what he did (not that I particularly give a shit what his intent was anyway).

What he did was teach his dog to do a Hitler salute. It was a complete and utter non-issue.

"It didn't personally affect me, therefore it doesn't matter."

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:

Torrocca wrote:
Welcome to the YPGvolution, comrade. Your anti-ISIS results may vary, but only very goodly of course. :3

I'm glad to be on the first page, sir ma'am.

Fixed that for you :3