LWDT 7: The Earth and Heavens Tremble.

[Greater Westralia]

That presumes prisons are 100% effective. Just as you cannot rescue the innocent from death, so too can evil men not rescue the guilty from death. Furthermore, the state must at least formally retain the right to execute those who make war upon the institution they pledge their loyalty to, for reasons of moral authority, and the military must retain the right as an institution whose purpose is dealing in death for the security of the state.

That sounds like an incredibly poor reason to permanently snuff out the life of someone, especially if they are no more threat to society.

[Minzerland II]

Don't execute people even if you do have 100% proof that they're guilty. If they're imprisoned, they're no longer a threat to anyone else, so killing them is just pointlessly cruel.

At the point that somebody has been detained and is no longer a threat to society, killing them is nothing more than state-sanctioned murder. There is no motive besides anger, which makes it a heinous act.

Except there is a motive, and that is the pursuit of justice. Capital punishment isn’t solely for the public good and welfare, but is also the exercise of Justice and God’s Wrath.

[Hanafuridake]

At the point that somebody has been detained and is no longer a threat to society, killing them is nothing more than state-sanctioned murder. There is no motive besides anger, which makes it a heinous act.

Except there is a motive, and that is the pursuit of justice. Capital punishment isn’t solely for the public good and welfare, but is also the exercise of Justice and God’s Wrath.

Thank you for proving my point for me, you just project your anger onto God.

[Minzerland II]

Except there is a motive, and that is the pursuit of justice. Capital punishment isn’t solely for the public good and welfare, but is also the exercise of Justice and God’s Wrath.

Thank you for proving my point for me, you just project your anger onto God.

mmm i think youre a tad angry very accusatory

[Hanafuridake]

Thank you for proving my point for me, you just project your anger onto God.

mmm i think youre a tad angry very accusatory

Not really, unless people disagreeing with you is anger.

[North German Realm]

Thank you for proving my point for me, you just project your anger onto God.

mmm i think youre a tad angry very accusatory

You're the one justifying your own fetish for blood with god's "wrath" though.

[Minzerland II]

Let me ask you a question, Dagashi. How am I projecting anger onto God? Is ‘justice’ such a foreign concept to you, and East Asia, that anyone that seeks it is scorned?

[Minzerland II]

mmm i think youre a tad angry very accusatory

You're the one justifying your own fetish for blood with god's "wrath" though.

‘For he is God's minister to thee, for good. But if thou do that which is evil, fear: for he beareth not the sword in vain. For he is God's minister: an avenger to execute wrath upon him that doth evil.’ (RHE 13:4)

This has nothing to do with my own ‘fetish for blood’, but about the purpose of the death penalty and in who God invested it with.

[Hanafuridake]

Let me ask you a question, Dagashi. How am I projecting anger onto God? Is ‘justice’ such a foreign concept to you, and East Asia, that anyone that seeks it is scorned?

Why are you randomly bringing up the region that I live in. Especially when countries inside it have the death penalty.

Basing your whole defense on your interpretation (which a lot of Christians disagree with) of an unknowable, unseen, and unprovable force is the definition of projection.

[Grenartia]

Nah, fam. Hana's entirely correct, you're just projecting your bloodlust onto God. Its quite an unhealthy attitude, and I implore you to find a healthy way of dealing with that demon.

[Minzerland II]

Let me ask you a question, Dagashi. How am I projecting anger onto God? Is ‘justice’ such a foreign concept to you, and East Asia, that anyone that seeks it is scorned?

Why are you randomly bringing up the region that I live in. Especially when countries inside it have the death penalty.

Basing your whole defense on your interpretation (which a lot of Christians disagree with) of an unknowable, unseen, and unprovable force is the definition of projection.

It is the interpretation of the Church (which is Christ’s, of course), so I know it to be true. In any case, the idea needn’t even be based in the Catholic Faith and can be held separate from it. As per the first statement, ‘Except there is a motive, and that is the pursuit of justice.’ You’re zeroing in ‘wrath’ to the expense of the rest of the post.

(Also, for the record, God is every bit provable and revealed, but that is a topic for another thread.)

[Hanafuridake]

Why are you randomly bringing up the region that I live in. Especially when countries inside it have the death penalty.

Basing your whole defense on your interpretation (which a lot of Christians disagree with) of an unknowable, unseen, and unprovable force is the definition of projection.

It is the interpretation of the Church (which is Christ’s, of course), so I know it to be true. In any case, the idea needn’t even be based in the Catholic Faith and can be held separate from it. As per the first statement, ‘Except there is a motive, and that is the pursuit of justice.’

(Also, for the record, God is every bit provable and revealed, but that is a topic for another thread.)

You didn't answer my question as to why East Asia was at all relevant to the question you're asking me. Because otherwise it seems like a racist jab intentionally made to elicit an angered response out of me.

[Minzerland II]

Nah, fam. Hana's entirely correct, you're just projecting your bloodlust onto God. Its quite an unhealthy attitude, and I implore you to find a healthy way of dealing with that demon.

[Minzerland II]

It is the interpretation of the Church (which is Christ’s, of course), so I know it to be true. In any case, the idea needn’t even be based in the Catholic Faith and can be held separate from it. As per the first statement, ‘Except there is a motive, and that is the pursuit of justice.’

(Also, for the record, God is every bit provable and revealed, but that is a topic for another thread.)

You didn't answer my question as to why East Asia was at all relevant to the question you're asking me.

Your aversion to the death penalty obviously reflects your beliefs, owed to East Asia. My bewilderment forced me to ask if ‘justice’ is so foreign to such a place that it is scorned. And I would be remiss to say that accusations of bloodlust and imposition of my will as God’s doesn’t irk me enough to return accusation for accusation.

[Hanafuridake]

Your aversion to the death penalty obviously reflects your beliefs, owed to East Asia.

I am very surprised to learn that India, which I had long thought to be a part of South Asia, is actually located in East Asia.

My bewilderment forced me to ask if ‘justice’ is so foreign to such a place that it is scorned.

Maybe I don't believe that violence outside of self-defense is justifiable.

And I would be remiss to say that accusations of bloodlust and imposition of my will as God’s doesn’t irk me enough to return accusation for accusation.

Maybe return accusations against the person instead of trying to flame bait them by insulting an entire region of people.

[Pasong Tirad]

I just looked up what Dagashi was. Is he calling you a snack? Cause that's thirsty as hell.

[Hanafuridake]

I just looked up what Dagashi was. Is he calling you a snack? Cause that's thirsty as hell.

No, I used to post on a nation named Dagashi.

And, could we please not. The idea of anyone on NS thinking of me in that way is quite repellent.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Why are you randomly bringing up the region that I live in. Especially when countries inside it have the death penalty.

Basing your whole defense on your interpretation (which a lot of Christians disagree with) of an unknowable, unseen, and unprovable force is the definition of projection.

It is the interpretation of the Church (which is Christ’s, of course), so I know it to be true. In any case, the idea needn’t even be based in the Catholic Faith and can be held separate from it. As per the first statement, ‘Except there is a motive, and that is the pursuit of justice.’ You’re zeroing in ‘wrath’ to the expense of the rest of the post.

(Also, for the record, God is every bit provable and revealed, but that is a topic for another thread.)

I have two questions; what would you say to those who believe the commandment "thou shalt not kill" commands against the death penalty? And what crimes do you believe should earn one the death penalty?

[Minzerland II]

Your aversion to the death penalty obviously reflects your beliefs, owed to East Asia.

I am very surprised to learn that India, which I had long thought to be a part of South Asia, is actually located in East Asia.

I can’t tell where your beliefs are from anymore, tbqh.

My bewilderment forced me to ask if ‘justice’ is so foreign to such a place that it is scorned.

Maybe I don't believe that violence outside of self-defense is justifiable.

And why is that?

And I would be remiss to say that accusations of bloodlust and imposition of my will as God’s doesn’t irk me enough to return accusation for accusation.

Maybe return accusations against the person instead of trying to flame bait them by insulting an entire region of people.

I did though, I only mentioned ‘East Asia’ as an afterthought (for a lack of a better term). For it, I apologise; let’s move on.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

Your aversion to the death penalty obviously reflects your beliefs, owed to East Asia.

I am very surprised to learn that India, which I had long thought to be a part of South Asia, is actually located in East Asia.

My bewilderment forced me to ask if ‘justice’ is so foreign to such a place that it is scorned.

Maybe I don't believe that violence outside of self-defense is justifiable.

And I would be remiss to say that accusations of bloodlust and imposition of my will as God’s doesn’t irk me enough to return accusation for accusation.

Maybe return accusations against the person instead of trying to flame bait them by insulting an entire region of people.

Are you Buddhist again? Or were you always a Buddhist? Or were you always a follower of Shintoism? Or Jainism? I honestly can’t tell any longer.

[Minzerland II]

I just looked up what Dagashi was. Is he calling you a snack? Cause that's thirsty as hell.

Nah, fam. Hana's entirely correct, you're just projecting your bloodlust onto God. Its quite an unhealthy attitude, and I implore you to find a healthy way of dealing with that demon.

It is the interpretation of the Church (which is Christ’s, of course), so I know it to be true. In any case, the idea needn’t even be based in the Catholic Faith and can be held separate from it. As per the first statement, ‘Except there is a motive, and that is the pursuit of justice.’ You’re zeroing in ‘wrath’ to the expense of the rest of the post.

(Also, for the record, God is every bit provable and revealed, but that is a topic for another thread.)

I have two questions; what would you say to those who believe the commandment "thou shalt not kill" commands against the death penalty? And what crimes do you believe should earn one the death penalty?

1) That, though they’re free to be, they’re wrong; and, 2) possible crimes could include, for instance, serial murder and murder, rape, etc.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

I just looked up what Dagashi was. Is he calling you a snack? Cause that's thirsty as hell.

I have two questions; what would you say to those who believe the commandment "thou shalt not kill" commands against the death penalty? And what crimes do you believe should earn one the death penalty?

1) That, though they’re free to be, they’re wrong; and, 2) possible crimes could include, for instance, serial murder and murder, rape, etc.

1. Based on what do you say that they're wrong?
2. Which is worse, rape or murder?

[Minzerland II]

1) That, though they’re free to be, they’re wrong; and, 2) possible crimes could include, for instance, serial murder and murder, rape, etc.

1. Based on what do you say that they're wrong?
2. Which is worse, rape or murder?

1. Because ‘Thou shalt not kill’ means to not murder, and the death penalty is not murder.
2. I do not know how that is relevant?

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

1. Based on what do you say that they're wrong?
2. Which is worse, rape or murder?

1. Because ‘Thou shalt not kill’ means to not murder, and the death penalty is not murder.
2. I do not know how that is relevant?

1. The death penalty could be argued to be murder.
2. If you think murder is worse than rape it is relevant, because an eye for an eye dictates that the punishment must be no worse than the crime.

[Minzerland II]

1. Because ‘Thou shalt not kill’ means to not murder, and the death penalty is not murder.
2. I do not know how that is relevant?

1. The death penalty could be argued to be murder.
2. If you think murder is worse than rape it is relevant, because an eye for an eye dictates that the punishment must be no worse than the crime.

1. Then you’d have to define what murder is.
2. I’d defer to the Church whether something ought to be punished with the death penalty. You raise an interesting point here.