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Which Book on Leftist Ideology is Your Preferred Book?

The Communist Manifesto (Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels)
23
18%
The Conquest of Bread (Peter Kropotkin)
24
19%
Das Kapital (Karl Marx)
21
16%
What is Property? (Pierre-Joseph Proudhon)
2
2%
Guerilla Warfare (Che Guevara)
8
6%
Mutual Aid (Peter Kropotkin)
2
2%
Profit Over People (Noam Chomsky)
4
3%
The Ego and Its Own (Max Stirner)
8
6%
Debt: The First 5,000 Years (David Graeber)
5
4%
Other (Please Explain)
32
25%
 
Total votes : 129

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Cekoviu
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Postby Cekoviu » Sat Jun 22, 2019 6:08 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:The proletariat doesn't. Much of the proletariat owns private property like, y'know, homes.

Typically, those who deny its existence aren't even proletariat.

Anyone who's not a multimillionaire is a proletarian, silly goose.
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Postby Proctopeo » Sat Jun 22, 2019 6:17 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:Typically, those who deny its existence aren't even proletariat.

Anyone who's not a multimillionaire is a proletarian, silly goose.

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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:02 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:The proletariat doesn't. Much of the proletariat owns private property like, y'know, homes.


I am not talking about the present-day Proletariat without class consciousness. I mean the Proletariat in a hypothetical communist society.
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Postby Proctopeo » Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:05 pm

Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:The proletariat doesn't. Much of the proletariat owns private property like, y'know, homes.


I am not talking about the present-day Proletariat without class consciousness. I mean the Proletariat in a hypothetical communist society.

So, we're talking from fantasy land here? Cool.

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Postby Loben The 2nd » Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:05 pm

Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:The proletariat doesn't. Much of the proletariat owns private property like, y'know, homes.


I am not talking about the present-day Proletariat without class consciousness. I mean the Proletariat in a hypothetical communist society.

Sooooo non existent.
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Postby Kubra » Sun Jun 23, 2019 12:35 am

Nova Cyberia wrote:
Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
Not if the Proletariat denies that private property exists.

The proletariat doesn't. Much of the proletariat owns private property like, y'know, homes.
do they collect dividends on such ownership?
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Sun Jun 23, 2019 1:32 am

Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:The proletariat doesn't. Much of the proletariat owns private property like, y'know, homes.


I am not talking about the present-day Proletariat without class consciousness. I mean the Proletariat in a hypothetical communist society.

People can be class conscious and still want to own property, my guy.
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Postby Lamoni » Sun Jun 23, 2019 1:51 am

Torrocca wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:There is?


Not to a Nazi like yourself, no. To almost everyone else, though? Yeah.


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Postby Salus Maior » Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:23 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Let's all just calm down and... drink a coke.


Pepsi has a precedent of creating unlikely peace.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:35 am

Salus Maior wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Let's all just calm down and... drink a coke.


Pepsi has a precedent of creating unlikely peace.


If we'd adopted a policy of apepsiment instead of appeasement and fired Pepsi cannons at Hitler during the Munich conference there would never have been a WW2.
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Anarchy

Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:00 am

Salus Maior wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Let's all just calm down and... drink a coke.


Pepsi has a precedent of creating unlikely peace.

Are you referring to thay godawful ad?
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Postby Liriena » Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:09 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Pepsi has a precedent of creating unlikely peace.

Are you referring to thay godawful ad?

The ad did unite everyone... against Pepsi.
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Postby Nakena » Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:12 am

Liriena wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Are you referring to thay godawful ad?

The ad did unite everyone... against Pepsi.


Pepsi is loosing this one

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Postby Cekoviu » Sun Jun 23, 2019 10:08 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Pepsi has a precedent of creating unlikely peace.

Are you referring to thay godawful ad?

Honestly one of the worst ads to be released in the last 30 years.
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Postby Cekoviu » Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:07 pm


I had stopped listening to him and then you reminded me. Now I'm binging all of his political videos. >:(
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Postby Pasong Tirad » Sun Jun 23, 2019 5:12 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Let's all just calm down and... drink a coke.

Coke is disgusting. Let's drink water.

Gross. Beer is the way to go, clearly.

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Torrocca
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Torrocca » Sun Jun 23, 2019 5:18 pm

Pasong Tirad wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Coke is disgusting. Let's drink water.

Gross. Beer is the way to go, clearly.


*Laughs in too young to drink*

Dihydrogen monoxide is clearly the only way to go.
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Postby Cekoviu » Sun Jun 23, 2019 5:35 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Pasong Tirad wrote:Gross. Beer is the way to go, clearly.


*Laughs in too young to drink*

Dihydrogen monoxide is clearly the only way to go.

Personally prefer drinking pure C6H12O6(s), which really strengthens my throat, but you do you.
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Postby Hanafuridake » Sun Jun 23, 2019 5:42 pm

Crysuko wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Coke is disgusting. Let's drink water.

water here is hard as nails. i'll drink tea


You complain about water, but drink tea which is made from water.

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Postby Jakker » Sun Jun 23, 2019 6:48 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:Chapo needs to be fumigated, tbh.

Crysuko wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:But I thought you were done here?

you're a racist and a fascist


I went through 15+ pages of this thread. I saw an extensive quantity of players not engaging in substantial discussion, but rather just a personal accusatory back and forth. I saw a couple of posts such as the ones listed above as borderline to violating forum rules and it took me a review of the overall context to determine, in my opinion, that they are on the edge, but not actionable. With that said, I would recommend being far more mindful of what you say and how it is said, Nova Cyberia and Crysuko. Many of you contributed to escalating the back and forth and ultimately jacking this thread. Let's actually get back to directly discussing topics related to the thread rather than each other.
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Postby Imbalistan » Sun Jun 23, 2019 7:03 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
*Laughs in too young to drink*

Dihydrogen monoxide is clearly the only way to go.

Personally prefer drinking pure C6H12O6(s), which really strengthens my throat, but you do you.

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Postby Makhnovtschyna » Sun Jun 23, 2019 7:10 pm

Has anyone here ever dismantled anti-homeless spikes before?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Jun 23, 2019 7:20 pm

Makhnovtschyna wrote:Has anyone here ever dismantled anti-homeless spikes before?


I've never even lived anywhere that has had them tbh
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Postby Cekoviu » Sun Jun 23, 2019 7:27 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Makhnovtschyna wrote:Has anyone here ever dismantled anti-homeless spikes before?


I've never even lived anywhere that has had them tbh

Yeah, I don't think I've seen them here, even when I've been in the homeless-saturated areas of the city. I've seen the armrests on benches though, which is somewhat less violent.
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Sun Jun 23, 2019 7:31 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Makhnovtschyna wrote:Has anyone here ever dismantled anti-homeless spikes before?


I've never even lived anywhere that has had them tbh

They're a lot more common than you think down here.

Anyways, I've tried but I simply don't have the time to do so.
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