LWDT 7: The Earth and Heavens Tremble.

[Hanafuridake]

This is where my thought process has been heading, tbqh.

I'll make the Tokugawa's look like outright liberals.

Cut down all the peasants for offending men of good birth!

No, peasants are precious treasures.

People who make Holocaust jokes are the opposite.

[Nova Cyberia]

tbqh you can't really get through to most people, especially those who are partisan but not particularly interested in politics. People follow certainty and determination. You can't meekly come to the table with mewlings of compromise and agreement. You must become their nightmare; become the left-winger they thought you were. Only then will they see true horror, and submit.

Tbh, it just sounds like you've been busy getting high off your own farts rather than actually speaking to those on the other side.

[Conserative Morality]

Cut down all the peasants for offending men of good birth!

No, peasants are precious treasures.

People who make Holocaust jokes are the opposite.

You're already looking like some hippie next to the Tokugawa Shogunate, smh.

[Great Minarchistan]

You didn't answer me "directly", I said that many people here are authoritarian using advocation of expropriation of property as an example to that and then you started wanting to compare expropriation and mass killings, as if the former wasn't authoritarian simply because it's far from being as bad as defending mass killings.

expropriation of property is inherently socialist, wheather they're authoritarian or libertiarian. (also tankies like to pretend it's a false dichotomy but the difference is night and day)

Forcing someone out of their property without any preemptive warning is an authoritarian move, like it or not

[Saiwania]

I have to say, the most amusing Antifa related imagery I've ever come across, is this Nazi swastika being modified to look like a person running away in terror from an Antifa member. The 45 degree angled swastika by itself, can represent arms and legs and a dot for a head and shoes to represent feet are added to it, and there you go. It's so simple that its ingenious. It's too bad the Communist Hammer and Sickle isn't easily remade in such a way. I know for sure, that lots of people don't like Communism either.

[Crysuko]

tbqh you can't really get through to most people, especially those who are partisan but not particularly interested in politics. People follow certainty and determination. You can't meekly come to the table with mewlings of compromise and agreement. You must become their nightmare; become the left-winger they thought you were. Only then will they see true horror, and submit.

Tbh, it just sounds like you've been busy getting high off your own farts rather than actually speaking to those on the other side.

make a worthwhile point and we'll get straight to it

[Torrocca]

Nah though:



It's clear you were trying to downplay what you'd said.

No. I just thought it was ridiculous how much you willfully misrepresented your post.

I didn't do that at all lmao.

Go ahead, though, I guess, keep touting your Nazi rhetoric. I'm sure people'll see it fondly after enough """jokes""".

Cut down all the peasants for offending men of good birth!

No, peasants are precious treasures.

People who make Holocaust jokes are the opposite.

We can make Holocaust jokers and deniers a thing of the past, but the peasantry will always be forever in spirit, of course, because a peasant class is still ultimately no good :3

[Hanafuridake]

No, peasants are precious treasures.

People who make Holocaust jokes are the opposite.

You're already looking like some hippie next to the Tokugawa Shogunate, smh.

I'm just following the proper Confucian Way laid down by the sages to follow.

[Bojikami]

You're already looking like some hippie next to the Tokugawa Shogunate, smh.

I'm just following the proper Confucian Way laid down by the sages to follow.

Ikko Ikki Gang Rise Up

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Strongly disagree. There are few noble goals which becoming a nightmare will meaningfully service, and plenty of noble goals which becoming a nightmare will dash completely. Compromise and building bridges are ends of themselves, sometimes even more important than accomplishing your goals. Of you need to become a momster, become a strawman of yourself, what are you even fighting for?

Perhaps I am speaking in platitudes. but you are doing the same only they are pessimistic platitudes rather than optimistic ones.

It's not pessimism. On the contrary, it's optimism. Victory is within your grasp, so long as you have no fear; so long as you are certain of your own virtues. The idea that rolling over and submitting to someone else's will is a nobler goal than victory is a product of a culture of defeat. How is submission to the enemy worthwhile? If you have no confidence in your own principles, why bother fighting for them at all? And better to have no confidence than only some confidence. Men of little confidence are easier to sway than those of none. Horror is in becoming the antithesis of your enemy; horror is in embracing virtue without restraint. Horror is to look upon the twisted values of the enemy, and become their personal demon. Horror is in the complete rejection of the enemy and their value system.

History shows that victory achieved through "horror" is rarely a victory at all, and often is a defeat for everyone. Incrementalism, reform and compromise have much better track records at victory. Willingness to compromise and discuss honestly is a sign of confidence. Forcing your ideas through underhanded and brutish means is a sign that you're not confident they can succeed on their own. There is no virtue in becoming the antithesis of your enemy, in defining yourself by what they hate. That's dangerous pettiness, not virtue. Virtue is finding which parts you share with your enemy and which parts you differ from them. In doing so you learn not only more about your enemy, but more about yourself.

[Bojikami]

It's not pessimism. On the contrary, it's optimism. Victory is within your grasp, so long as you have no fear; so long as you are certain of your own virtues. The idea that rolling over and submitting to someone else's will is a nobler goal than victory is a product of a culture of defeat. How is submission to the enemy worthwhile? If you have no confidence in your own principles, why bother fighting for them at all? And better to have no confidence than only some confidence. Men of little confidence are easier to sway than those of none. Horror is in becoming the antithesis of your enemy; horror is in embracing virtue without restraint. Horror is to look upon the twisted values of the enemy, and become their personal demon. Horror is in the complete rejection of the enemy and their value system.

History shows that victory achieved through "horror" is rarely a victory at all, and often is a defeat for everyone. Incrementalism, reform and compromise have much better track records at victory. Willingness to compromise and discuss honestly is a sign of confidence. Forcing your ideas through underhanded and brutish means is a sign that you're not confident they can succeed on their own. There is no virtue in becoming the antithesis of your enemy, in defining yourself by what they hate. That's dangerous pettiness, not virtue. Virtue is finding which parts you share with your enemy and which parts you differ from them. In doing so you learn not only more about your enemy, but more about yourself.

Hey, have you seen Rosa?

[Nova Cyberia]

No. I just thought it was ridiculous how much you willfully misrepresented your post.

I didn't do that at all lmao.

Go ahead, though, I guess, keep touting your Nazi rhetoric. I'm sure people'll see it fondly after enough """jokes""".

No, peasants are precious treasures.

People who make Holocaust jokes are the opposite.

We can make Holocaust jokers and deniers a thing of the past, but the peasantry will always be forever in spirit, of course, because a peasant class is still ultimately no good :3

Pretty sure everyone's already explained to you you're wrong.

But nah, keep pushing your debunked line.

[Crysuko]

I didn't do that at all lmao.

Go ahead, though, I guess, keep touting your Nazi rhetoric. I'm sure people'll see it fondly after enough """jokes""".



We can make Holocaust jokers and deniers a thing of the past, but the peasantry will always be forever in spirit, of course, because a peasant class is still ultimately no good :3

Pretty sure everyone's already explained to you you're wrong.

But nah, keep pushing your debunked line.

you're not an ork, so your insistance doesn't magically alter reality

[Torrocca]

I didn't do that at all lmao.

Go ahead, though, I guess, keep touting your Nazi rhetoric. I'm sure people'll see it fondly after enough """jokes""".



We can make Holocaust jokers and deniers a thing of the past, but the peasantry will always be forever in spirit, of course, because a peasant class is still ultimately no good :3

Pretty sure everyone's already explained to you you're wrong.

But nah, keep pushing your debunked line.

Just because you've got other people downplaying your own shitty beliefs doesn't mean I'm wrong in calling them out for what they are.

[Nova Cyberia]

Pretty sure everyone's already explained to you you're wrong.

But nah, keep pushing your debunked line.

Just because you've got other people downplaying your own shitty beliefs doesn't mean I'm wrong in calling them out for what they are.

Well, I guess that just means that they're capable of understanding basic humor then.

Try learning from them.

[Conserative Morality]

History shows that victory achieved through "horror" is rarely a victory at all, and often is a defeat for everyone.

History shows that victory achieved through horror is the only lasting victory. Without force, the loyal do not feel secure, but the enemy feels emboldened.

Incrementalism, reform and compromise have much better track records at victory. Willingness to compromise and discuss honestly is a sign of confidence. Forcing your ideas through underhanded and brutish means is a sign that you're not confident they can succeed on their own.

No, it's merely an acknowledgement that all ideas have different advantages and disadvantages, and that the advantage of being easy to slip into power is not the end-all be-all quality of an idea.

It's that age-old old problem - are leaders good at obtaining power good at using it wisely? Likewise, are ideas that are good at succeeding in an environment of compromise and defeatism worthwhile, or are they simply well-adapted to such an environment?

There is no virtue in becoming the antithesis of your enemy, in defining yourself by what they hate. That's dangerous pettiness, not virtue. Virtue is finding which parts you share with your enemy and which parts you differ from them. In doing so you learn not only more about your enemy, but more about yourself.

If you don't find any virtue in becoming the antithesis of your enemy, you've either picked the wrong enemies or the wrong virtues.

[Torrocca]

Just because you've got other people downplaying your own shitty beliefs doesn't mean I'm wrong in calling them out for what they are.

Well, I guess that just means that they're capable of understanding basic humor then.

Try learning from them.

Maybe you should open a dictionary and learn what "humor" means before trying to tell other people that your Nazi rhetoric is humor.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

History shows that victory achieved through "horror" is rarely a victory at all, and often is a defeat for everyone. Incrementalism, reform and compromise have much better track records at victory. Willingness to compromise and discuss honestly is a sign of confidence. Forcing your ideas through underhanded and brutish means is a sign that you're not confident they can succeed on their own. There is no virtue in becoming the antithesis of your enemy, in defining yourself by what they hate. That's dangerous pettiness, not virtue. Virtue is finding which parts you share with your enemy and which parts you differ from them. In doing so you learn not only more about your enemy, but more about yourself.

Hey, have you seen Rosa?

Nightmares killed her...

[Thanatttynia]

This thread is a mess and perfect example of the impossibility of left union in the real world cmv

[Conserative Morality]

Nightmares killed her...

A few nightmares of her own might have helped. =^)

[Nova Cyberia]

Well, I guess that just means that they're capable of understanding basic humor then.

Try learning from them.

Maybe you should open a dictionary and learn what "humor" means before trying to tell other people that your Nazi rhetoric is humor.

Everyone else seems to understand.

It's just you.

Are you really that incapable of admitting when you were wrong?

[Nova Cyberia]

History shows that victory achieved through "horror" is rarely a victory at all, and often is a defeat for everyone.

History shows that victory achieved through horror is the only lasting victory. Without force, the loyal do not feel secure, but the enemy feels emboldened.

Incrementalism, reform and compromise have much better track records at victory. Willingness to compromise and discuss honestly is a sign of confidence. Forcing your ideas through underhanded and brutish means is a sign that you're not confident they can succeed on their own.

No, it's merely an acknowledgement that all ideas have different advantages and disadvantages, and that the advantage of being easy to slip into power is not the end-all be-all quality of an idea.

It's that age-old old problem - are leaders good at obtaining power good at using it wisely? Likewise, are ideas that are good at succeeding in an environment of compromise and defeatism worthwhile, or are they simply well-adapted to such an environment?

There is no virtue in becoming the antithesis of your enemy, in defining yourself by what they hate. That's dangerous pettiness, not virtue. Virtue is finding which parts you share with your enemy and which parts you differ from them. In doing so you learn not only more about your enemy, but more about yourself.

If you don't find any virtue in becoming the antithesis of your enemy, you've either picked the wrong enemies or the wrong virtues.

Compromise and betray your own values just for the sake of pissing off your enemy.

Pathetic.

[Torrocca]

Maybe you should open a dictionary and learn what "humor" means before trying to tell other people that your Nazi rhetoric is humor.

Everyone else seems to understand.

It's just you.

Are you really that incapable of admitting when you were wrong?

Ooh, I see it's gaslighting time. Beautiful. You're not as sly as you think you are in trying to pretend your Nazi rhetoric is something that you never actually intended for it to be.

[Nova Cyberia]

Everyone else seems to understand.

It's just you.

Are you really that incapable of admitting when you were wrong?

Ooh, I see it's gaslighting time. Beautiful. You're not as sly as you think you are in trying to pretend your Nazi rhetoric is something that you never actually intended for it to be.

It's not gaslighting to remind you that most of the other here recognized you were wrong. Yet you continue to insist on being wrong.

[Torrocca]

Ooh, I see it's gaslighting time. Beautiful. You're not as sly as you think you are in trying to pretend your Nazi rhetoric is something that you never actually intended for it to be.

It's not gaslighting to remind you that most of the other here recognized you were wrong. Yet you continue to insist on being wrong.

Loose lips sink ships, chief; like I said, you're nowhere near as sly as you're trying to be by failing to disguise your Nazi rhetoric as something else entirely. I know a bit more than you keep trying to insinuate, just so we're clear. And with that, I'm done here.