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Which Book on Leftist Ideology is Your Preferred Book?

The Communist Manifesto (Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels)
23
18%
The Conquest of Bread (Peter Kropotkin)
24
19%
Das Kapital (Karl Marx)
21
16%
What is Property? (Pierre-Joseph Proudhon)
2
2%
Guerilla Warfare (Che Guevara)
8
6%
Mutual Aid (Peter Kropotkin)
2
2%
Profit Over People (Noam Chomsky)
4
3%
The Ego and Its Own (Max Stirner)
8
6%
Debt: The First 5,000 Years (David Graeber)
5
4%
Other (Please Explain)
32
25%
 
Total votes : 129

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Great Minarchistan
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:34 pm

This thread is quite the dumpster fire tbh
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Torrocca
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Torrocca » Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:34 pm

Yegla Islands wrote:
Torrocca wrote:Ah, I see you're sticking to your one-trick bit of acting like I'm a Stalinist. Amazing.


As opposed to your vastly superior one-trick bit of acting like NC is a Nazi. Amazing-er.


Hey, you were arguing that, with context, NC's post about gassing people was actually metaphor for banning a subreddit, right?

Nova Cyberia wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Pepe or Groyper or whatever the fuck the r/frenworld frog's name was ANNIHILATED by THE PEOPLE'S MILKSHAKES in another BRUTAL COMMIE INTERNET ATTACK lmao

Chapo needs to be fumigated, tbh.



Explain how that post he quoted has anything to do with banning subreddits.
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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Anarchy

Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:35 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:It's was different in my high school. It's hard to tell which one of us is more representative. The high school I went to was in the suburbs of an Australian city, in a nominally LNP district. Students rarely discussed what ideologies they subscribed to, but from offhand comments, the average seemed to be around centre-left.

Also, this is a nitpick pet peeve of mine, but right-libertarianism is a form of liberalism.

I wouldn't argue as a matter of greater ideological groupings, but in terms of casual political parlance, the two are separate.

Definitely, they are, but they are both liberalism, so calling one liberalism but not the other seems incorrect to me.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:35 pm

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Postby Great Minarchistan » Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:35 pm

Crysuko wrote:
Yegla Islands wrote:
As opposed to your vastly superior one-trick bit of acting like NC is a Nazi. Amazing-er.

he is, and is pretending is doesn't matter. it does, and I will not stop hammering it.

"you aren't a right-wing conservative, you are a Nazi and I am the one who dictates your ideological leaning!"
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:35 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:There's a difference but there's definitely strong room for crossover.
Said reply was pretty obviously in the crossover to anyone with the capacity to understand humor.


Nah, it really wasn't, but you do you in supporting the ol' "lol gassing people is le funni xD" schtick.

Why's dark humor so alien to you?
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Conserative Morality
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:35 pm

Jesus H. Christ, can you people stop this pissing contest?
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Torrocca » Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:35 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Ah, I see you're sticking to your one-trick bit of acting like I'm a Stalinist. Amazing.

You have made those jokes, don't deflect.


Yeah, two fucking years ago when I wasn't an Anarchist. People change, shockingly fucking enough. Way to go, you acknowledged I had character flaws. You win a fake internet cookie. Congratulations.
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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Anarchy

Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:36 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:
Rostavykhan wrote:> When one dude making a gas joke makes the thread erupt into another multi-page argument.

Absolute. Fucking. Mad. Lad.


This thread is convincing me more and more that we need to throw people who make Holocaust jokes into prison.

That's the message you took from this?

Did you just unironically support locking up people who disagree with you? /s
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Bojikami
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Postby Bojikami » Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:37 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Nah, it really wasn't, but you do you in supporting the ol' "lol gassing people is le funni xD" schtick.

Why's dark humor so alien to you?

Advocating genocide or otherwise using genocide as a topic of humour isn't 'dark humour'. It's at the best trying to be edgy, or at worst actively trying to desensitize others.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:37 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Definitely, they are, but they are both liberalism, so calling one liberalism but not the other seems incorrect to me.

Technically speaking, American conservatism is generally liberalism, but God help you if you ever say that to their faces. The meanings of words, especially in casual usage, bear little resemblance to jargon or academic use.
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Torrocca » Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:37 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Nah, it really wasn't, but you do you in supporting the ol' "lol gassing people is le funni xD" schtick.

Why's dark humor so alien to you?


Ah, so that's what all the new generation is calling "I wanna gas people!" nowadays. Nice.
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Postby Crysuko » Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:37 pm

Great Minarchistan wrote:
Crysuko wrote:he is, and is pretending is doesn't matter. it does, and I will not stop hammering it.

"you aren't a right-wing conservative, you are a Nazi and I am the one who dictates your ideological leaning!"

"it doesn't matter that I made a holocaust reference in a thread i'd get heat for it"
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This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

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Great Minarchistan
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:38 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:
This thread is convincing me more and more that we need to throw people who make Holocaust jokes into prison.

That's the message you took from this?

Did you just unironically support locking up people who disagree with you? /s

This thread is frequented by quite a lot of authoritarian people so I'd better step with care, they aren't as tolerant as us in the right-lib square :')
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Rostavykhan
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Rostavykhan » Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:38 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:
This thread is convincing me more and more that we need to throw people who make Holocaust jokes into prison.

That's the message you took from this?

Did you just unironically support locking up people who disagree with you? /s


It's the comedy police, the joke is too funny.

This sort of joke-induced mass-hysteria needs to be prevented again. This poster is only looking out for the safety of society at large.
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Great Minarchistan
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:39 pm

Crysuko wrote:
Great Minarchistan wrote:"you aren't a right-wing conservative, you are a Nazi and I am the one who dictates your ideological leaning!"

"it doesn't matter that I made a holocaust reference in a thread i'd get heat for it"

Was it even a holocaust reference though? Last I checked fumigation doesn't equal gassing
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Dumb Ideologies
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Mother Knows Best State

Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:39 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:Jesus H. Christ, can you people stop this pissing contest?


>visiting LWDT without your state-issued poison-tipped umbrella

Get this man a towel.
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Postby Proctopeo » Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:39 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:
Rostavykhan wrote:> When one dude making a gas joke makes the thread erupt into another multi-page argument.

Absolute. Fucking. Mad. Lad.


This thread is convincing me more and more that we need to throw people who make Holocaust jokes into prison.

That's Hall of Costly, from a moral standpoint.


I'll see myself to the torture chambers.

Torrocca wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:You have made those jokes, don't deflect.


Yeah, two fucking years ago when I wasn't an Anarchist. People change, shockingly fucking enough. Way to go, you acknowledged I had character flaws. You win a fake internet cookie. Congratulations.

I think it's been more recent than two years lmao
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Postby Torrocca » Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:40 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Yeah, two fucking years ago when I wasn't an Anarchist. People change, shockingly fucking enough. Way to go, you acknowledged I had character flaws. You win a fake internet cookie. Congratulations.

I think it's been more recent than two years lmao


Uh-huh.
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Postby Crysuko » Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:40 pm

Great Minarchistan wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:That's the message you took from this?

Did you just unironically support locking up people who disagree with you? /s

This thread is frequented by quite a lot of authoritarian people so I'd better step with care, they aren't as tolerant as us in the right-lib square :')

don't dogwhistle nazi rhetoric and you're gucci
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Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

Cesopium wrote:Welp let's hope armies of 10 million don't just roam around and Soviet their way through everything.

Yugoslav Memes wrote:
Victoriala II wrote:Ur mom has value

one week ban for flaming xd

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Much better than the kulak smoothies. Their texture was suspiciously grainy.

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Great Minarchistan
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:41 pm

Crysuko wrote:
Great Minarchistan wrote:This thread is frequented by quite a lot of authoritarian people so I'd better step with care, they aren't as tolerant as us in the right-lib square :')

don't dogwhistle nazi rhetoric and you're gucci

The regular references at stealing property from bourgies might stand to say the contrary :^)
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:41 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:Why's dark humor so alien to you?


Ah, so that's what all the new generation is calling "I wanna gas people!" nowadays. Nice.

That's generally what humans call humor over dark things.
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Anarchy

Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:41 pm

Torrocca wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Because we were talking about banning subreddits (something we should rarely do btw), and then he made a coy, offhand remark that a subreddit should be fumigated. That sounds a lot more like "this sun should be banned" than "I want to literally exterminate people who disagree with me."


Look at the post he quoted when he made that post and tell me how it relates to banning subreddits, since, apparently, that's the context people are desperately clinging to to defend this shit as a metaphor for banning a subreddit.

In the original context in which he said it, he appears to have said it because he found your joke lingo to be annoying and to be inspired by Chapo, and saying "chapo should be fumigated" as a way to say he hates capo and it should be banned. Not unlike when you said T_D should be purged. It is a joke. If he meant to say all users of chapo should be exterminated, why is he insisting that's not what he meant?
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:41 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Jesus H. Christ, can you people stop this pissing contest?


>visiting LWDT without your state-issued poison-tipped umbrella

Get this man a towel.

An umbrella can only protect you from one direction, whereas here it seems the pissing is all-encompassing. Omnipresent piss.
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Left-Leaning College State

Postby Crysuko » Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:42 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Ah, so that's what all the new generation is calling "I wanna gas people!" nowadays. Nice.

That's generally what humans call humor over dark things.

it wasn't humour. it wasn't even an attempt at humour. just a straight holocaust references.
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Kelinfort wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

Cesopium wrote:Welp let's hope armies of 10 million don't just roam around and Soviet their way through everything.

Yugoslav Memes wrote:
Victoriala II wrote:Ur mom has value

one week ban for flaming xd

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Much better than the kulak smoothies. Their texture was suspiciously grainy.

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