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Which Book on Leftist Ideology is Your Preferred Book?

The Communist Manifesto (Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels)
23
18%
The Conquest of Bread (Peter Kropotkin)
24
19%
Das Kapital (Karl Marx)
21
16%
What is Property? (Pierre-Joseph Proudhon)
2
2%
Guerilla Warfare (Che Guevara)
8
6%
Mutual Aid (Peter Kropotkin)
2
2%
Profit Over People (Noam Chomsky)
4
3%
The Ego and Its Own (Max Stirner)
8
6%
Debt: The First 5,000 Years (David Graeber)
5
4%
Other (Please Explain)
32
25%
 
Total votes : 129

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Washington Resistance Army
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:11 am



Everyone knew the ok hand was really blatantly and openly an attempt to troll too, and look how much people ate that shit up.
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Cekoviu
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Postby Cekoviu » Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:11 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:


Everyone knew the ok hand was really blatantly and openly an attempt to troll too, and look how much people ate that shit up.

People still use the OK symbol all the time even in my SJW safe spaces.
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Liriena
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Postby Liriena » Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:26 am

Cekoviu wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Everyone knew the ok hand was really blatantly and openly an attempt to troll too, and look how much people ate that shit up.

People still use the OK symbol all the time even in my SJW safe spaces.

I do. But then again, /pol/tard nonsense isn't really much of a thing on this side of the world.
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Liriena
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Postby Liriena » Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:27 am

Proctopeo wrote:(well, largely journalists and those without critical thinking skills, but I repeat myself)

Where do you get your news from again?
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I am:
A pansexual, pantheist, green socialist
An aspiring writer and journalist
Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
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Proctopeo
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Postby Proctopeo » Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:49 am

Liriena wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:(well, largely journalists and those without critical thinking skills, but I repeat myself)

Where do you get your news from again?

Those crazy doomsayers on street corners. But I repeat myself again ;)
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Cekoviu
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Postby Cekoviu » Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:50 am

Liriena wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:People still use the OK symbol all the time even in my SJW safe spaces.

I do. But then again, /pol/tard nonsense isn't really much of a thing on this side of the world.

No ableism Liri, you're better than this
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Liriena
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Postby Liriena » Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:53 am

Cekoviu wrote:
Liriena wrote:I do. But then again, /pol/tard nonsense isn't really much of a thing on this side of the world.

No ableism Liri, you're better than this

Yeah, you're right. I knew it was pretty crappy of me as I typed it but I did it anyway. My bad.
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I am:
A pansexual, pantheist, green socialist
An aspiring writer and journalist
Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
cynicism


⚧Copy and paste this in your sig
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gender and sex aren't the same thing.⚧

I disown most of my previous posts

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Great Minarchistan
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Sun Jun 16, 2019 1:36 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Price controls are always a bad idea.

Not really. Is it bad to institute price controls on food and water when a hurricane is about to come through and destroy infrastructure?

Price gouging is the only efficient way for businesses to allocate their supply quickly to the affected area. I'm selling oranges to my domestic consumers in NY, why would I ship oranges to TX at the same price even though distances are larger and the local infrastructure was wrecked?
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Great Minarchistan
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Sun Jun 16, 2019 1:39 pm

The South Falls wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:I don't see how that would be wrong. Supply and demand is inherently amoral.

Homelessness and crime, though, are detrimental to society. For its benefit, price controls like this should be instituted.

It's funny because high rent prices in closed-access metro areas are caused by strict zoning policy peddled by NIMBYs, not aggressive profiteerism -- Tyler Cowen talked about it -- while rent controls tend to increase urban blight and dry out the amount of real estate at rental, shifting it to sales.
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Bojikami
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Postby Bojikami » Sun Jun 16, 2019 1:41 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Everyone knew the ok hand was really blatantly and openly an attempt to troll too, and look how much people ate that shit up.

People still use the OK symbol all the time even in my SJW safe spaces.

Honestly I kinda dropped using it completely after that whole thing. Kinda left me with a weird feeling using it, ya know.
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Loben The 2nd
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Sun Jun 16, 2019 2:01 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Liriena wrote:I do. But then again, /pol/tard nonsense isn't really much of a thing on this side of the world.

No ableism Liri, you're better than this

Heh.
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Cekoviu
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Postby Cekoviu » Sun Jun 16, 2019 2:15 pm

Loben The 2nd wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:No ableism Liri, you're better than this

Heh.

Got anything substantial to offer?
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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Founded: Aug 11, 2017
Anarchy

Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Sun Jun 16, 2019 2:23 pm

Bojikami wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:People still use the OK symbol all the time even in my SJW safe spaces.

Honestly I kinda dropped using it completely after that whole thing. Kinda left me with a weird feeling using it, ya know.

Why? Why would you let Nazis take that symbol away from you for a joke?
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Loben The 2nd
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Sun Jun 16, 2019 3:47 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:Heh.

Got anything substantial to offer?


I find it hilarious you are the self appointed “language officer” for a term that /pol/lacks probably view as a term of endearment.
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Liriena
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Postby Liriena » Sun Jun 16, 2019 3:49 pm

Loben The 2nd wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Got anything substantial to offer?


I find it hilarious you are the self appointed “language officer” for a term that /pol/lacks probably view as a term of endearment.

Thanks for making the most compelling argument for calling them something else.
be gay do crime


I am:
A pansexual, pantheist, green socialist
An aspiring writer and journalist
Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
cynicism


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Cekoviu
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Postby Cekoviu » Sun Jun 16, 2019 3:50 pm

Loben The 2nd wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Got anything substantial to offer?


I find it hilarious you are the self appointed “language officer” for a term that /pol/lacks probably view as a term of endearment.

I despise /pol/ and am not defending them. I am defending the people with mental disorders that have to endure the usage of "retard," a legitimate psychiatric term, as an insult. As Liriena is a member of the Leftist Skeleton ArmyTM, he ought to know better than using a term for a social group to denigrate a separate class of people.
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Loben The 2nd
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Sun Jun 16, 2019 3:50 pm

Liriena wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:
I find it hilarious you are the self appointed “language officer” for a term that /pol/lacks probably view as a term of endearment.

Thanks for making the most compelling argument for calling them something else.


Idiots? Morons? People who should fuck off out of /k/?
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Communist Zombie Horde
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Postby Communist Zombie Horde » Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:30 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:
I find it hilarious you are the self appointed “language officer” for a term that /pol/lacks probably view as a term of endearment.

I despise /pol/ and am not defending them. I am defending the people with mental disorders that have to endure the usage of "retard," a legitimate psychiatric term, as an insult. As Liriena is a member of the Leftist Skeleton ArmyTM, he ought to know better than using a term for a social group to denigrate a separate class of people.

Lirinia is gonna be over you for not using they. Leftists fighting among each other is an amusing sight.
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Torrocca
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Founded: Dec 01, 2011
Democratic Socialists

Postby Torrocca » Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:32 pm

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:I despise /pol/ and am not defending them. I am defending the people with mental disorders that have to endure the usage of "retard," a legitimate psychiatric term, as an insult. As Liriena is a member of the Leftist Skeleton ArmyTM, he ought to know better than using a term for a social group to denigrate a separate class of people.

Lirinia is gonna be over you for not using they. Leftists fighting among each other is an amusing sight.


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Postby Cappuccina » Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:33 pm

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:I despise /pol/ and am not defending them. I am defending the people with mental disorders that have to endure the usage of "retard," a legitimate psychiatric term, as an insult. As Liriena is a member of the Leftist Skeleton ArmyTM, he ought to know better than using a term for a social group to denigrate a separate class of people.

Lirinia is gonna be over you for not using they. Leftists fighting among each other is an amusing sight.

*Acts like right wingers don't have petty infighting*
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Postby Cekoviu » Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:33 pm

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:I despise /pol/ and am not defending them. I am defending the people with mental disorders that have to endure the usage of "retard," a legitimate psychiatric term, as an insult. As Liriena is a member of the Leftist Skeleton ArmyTM, he ought to know better than using a term for a social group to denigrate a separate class of people.

Lirinia is gonna be over you for not using they. Leftists fighting among each other is an amusing sight.

Liriena has stated before that he uses he/him pronouns. Not everyone who's in favor of trans rights has to use they/them or neopronouns.
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Farnhamia
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Postby Farnhamia » Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:34 pm

Liriena wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:People still use the OK symbol all the time even in my SJW safe spaces.

I do. But then again, /pol/tard nonsense isn't really much of a thing on this side of the world.

Let's drop the /po/tard references before you get Red Text splashed on you.
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Cekoviu
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Postby Cekoviu » Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:35 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Liriena wrote:I do. But then again, /pol/tard nonsense isn't really much of a thing on this side of the world.

Let's drop the /po/tard references before you get Red Text splashed on you.

I actually think we covered it internally reasonably well without needing mod intervention.
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Torrocca
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Postby Torrocca » Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:36 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:Lirinia is gonna be over you for not using they. Leftists fighting among each other is an amusing sight.

Liriena has stated before that he uses he/him pronouns. Not everyone who's in favor of trans rights has to use they/them or neopronouns.


And, besides that, I'm pretty sure most, if not all people with a non-cisgender identity don't turn into screeching madpeople just because somebody said a wrong pronoun by mistake. Which, of course, wasn't the case here, but I digress.
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Cekoviu
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Postby Cekoviu » Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:36 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Liriena has stated before that he uses he/him pronouns. Not everyone who's in favor of trans rights has to use they/them or neopronouns.


And, besides that, I'm pretty sure most, if not all people with a non-cisgender identity don't turn into screeching madpeople just because somebody said a wrong pronoun by mistake. Which, of course, wasn't the case here, but I digress.

Not that doing so would be entirely unreasonable if Liri had indeed said that he uses they/them pronouns and I ignored that fact.
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