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Which Book on Leftist Ideology is Your Preferred Book?

The Communist Manifesto (Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels)
23
18%
The Conquest of Bread (Peter Kropotkin)
24
19%
Das Kapital (Karl Marx)
21
16%
What is Property? (Pierre-Joseph Proudhon)
2
2%
Guerilla Warfare (Che Guevara)
8
6%
Mutual Aid (Peter Kropotkin)
2
2%
Profit Over People (Noam Chomsky)
4
3%
The Ego and Its Own (Max Stirner)
8
6%
Debt: The First 5,000 Years (David Graeber)
5
4%
Other (Please Explain)
32
25%
 
Total votes : 129

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Crysuko
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Postby Crysuko » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:21 pm

Byzconia wrote:
Crysuko wrote:I'm sorry that I have the radical idea that rightists should be silenced, joking or otherwise

I would argue against this. I have plenty of right-leaning friends who aren't racist pieces of shit.

in my experience, right and racist are mutually inclusive. I can't speak for everyone though.
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Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

Cesopium wrote:Welp let's hope armies of 10 million don't just roam around and Soviet their way through everything.

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Postby Liriena » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:21 pm

Byzconia wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:He broke the law and he got punished for what he did. Why is this such a big deal anyway?

Because middle class white dudes are more deserving of sympathy than millions of dead minorities.

...not a bad take. I still think he didn't really deserve to be convicted (even if I get some very heavy "shithead" vibes from him).
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Postby Arduo » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:22 pm

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"Perfectly balanced, as all things should be." - Thanos da Supa-Centrist

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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:22 pm

Liriena wrote:
New haven america wrote:>:3


The only good first post ever.

Anyway, circling back to "brocialist", because I have nothing better to do right now and I feel like being a ponderous oaf, I almost felt like equating the term with "TERF" in terms of how accurate its definition as a "slur" is... but then it came to me that that's not fair.

I'd say "brocialist" is kinda stuck in the grey area between "overused slur sometimes hurled in one form of other at anyone to the left of Clinton in bad faith" and "useful shorthand for identifying an actual problem in many left-wing circles". I don't think it's unfair to say that some left-wing circles do suffer from having a very... umm... monolithic demographic and, thus, a very limited perspective on social and cultural that feeds on economic reductionism, which in turns justifies that limited perspective. No joke, I actually got a couple not-at-all-mad DMs from one on Reddit a couple days back, and in true brocialist fashion, they combined their whining about "idpol" with ableist slurs and tinges of homophobia.

I twitch whenever I hear 'brocialist' because it gives me flashbacks to the Dem primary in 2015/16.

We were literally supporting the more radical candidate in regards to undertaking action regarding race and gender.

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Postby Uiiop » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:22 pm

Byzconia wrote:
Greater Westralia wrote:It didn't affect anyone particularly, unless you make a habit of being easily offended or buy into the slippery slope fallacy.

"Making light of the mass murder of millions of innocent people affects no one."

This cuts both ways mind.
Just like "It was a just a joke" doesn't make a statement inherently harmless. ""Making light of the mass murder of millions of innocent people" doesn't make a statement harmful by itself.
It's not like a joke can't be aimed at how fucked up the murders are or how good the screams must have sounded. Or in this case it seems "Ohh i made him do a baad thing."
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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:22 pm

Crysuko wrote:
Byzconia wrote:I would argue against this. I have plenty of right-leaning friends who aren't racist pieces of shit.

in my experience, right and racist are mutually inclusive. I can't speak for everyone though.

Not even close to accurate to reality.
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Postby Byzconia » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:22 pm

Greater Westralia wrote:
Byzconia wrote:"Making light of the mass murder of millions of innocent people affects no one."

It's an incredible stretch to connect a dog doing a Roman Salute (to be pedantically precise) to making fun of genocide.

At this point in time, the salute is almost exclusively associated with the Nazis. Nice try, though.

Let me guess, all that Allied propaganda depicting Hitler and Nazis as stupid fools and bumbling idiots was making fun of Holocaust.

Because they're totally comparable.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:23 pm

Hi guys, I kinda wanna participate in this iteration of the LWDT.
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Postby Bienenhalde » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:23 pm

Crysuko wrote:I'm sorry that I have the radical idea that rightists should be silenced, joking or otherwise


If anything, it would probably be better to silence the far-left, Nazis included. :^) But in all seriousness, I do thing it would be a good idea to bring back laws against blasphemy and lèse majesté.
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Postby Crysuko » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:23 pm

Arduo wrote:
First American Empire wrote:You know who else was a centrist? Thanos.

"Perfectly balanced, as all things should be." - Thanos da Supa-Centrist

Wise words from a wise man.

Thanos got a pretty raw deal but the universal genocide was a bit much

Conserative Morality wrote:
Crysuko wrote:in my experience, right and racist are mutually inclusive. I can't speak for everyone though.

Not even close to accurate to reality.

you're right. i'm convinced. There is no way to compete with such overwhealming FACTS and LOGIC.
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Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

Cesopium wrote:Welp let's hope armies of 10 million don't just roam around and Soviet their way through everything.

Yugoslav Memes wrote:
Victoriala II wrote:Ur mom has value

one week ban for flaming xd

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Much better than the kulak smoothies. Their texture was suspiciously grainy.

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Postby Liriena » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:23 pm

Yusseria wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:I'm sorry I have the radical idea that free speech should apply to asswipes who make stupid jokes.

FREE SPEECH BAD

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Postby Torrocca » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:24 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Hi guys, I kinda wanna participate in this iteration of the LWDT.


Will you join us in our eternal revolutionary march that trembles the Earth and Heavens alike?
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Postby Byzconia » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:24 pm

Yusseria wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:I'm sorry I have the radical idea that free speech should apply to asswipes who make stupid jokes.

FREE SPEECH BAD

Rather hilarious coming from the guy who calls himself a National Syndicalist (the ideological predecessors of Fascism who explicitly called for a crackdown on all forms of individualism and freedom).
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Postby Yusseria » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:24 pm


"The right can't meme" they say as they regurgitate memes created by rightists.
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Postby Torrocca » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:25 pm

Byzconia wrote:

Rather hilarious coming from the guy who calls himself a National Syndicalist (the ideological predecessors of Fascism who explicitly called for a crackdown on all forms of individualism and freedom).


This trend of adopting a meme ideology (that got utterly cucked by Fascists, mind you) that got popular again because of a mod to a video game where you stare at a map is pretty ridiculous, ngl.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:26 pm

Yusseria wrote:

"The right can't meme" they say as they regurgitate memes created by rightists.

This ^^
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Postby Crysuko » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:26 pm

Yusseria wrote:

"The right can't meme" they say as they regurgitate memes created by rightists.

nobody said that

anywhere

ever.
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Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

Cesopium wrote:Welp let's hope armies of 10 million don't just roam around and Soviet their way through everything.

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Victoriala II wrote:Ur mom has value

one week ban for flaming xd

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Postby Liriena » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:26 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Liriena wrote:
The only good first post ever.

Anyway, circling back to "brocialist", because I have nothing better to do right now and I feel like being a ponderous oaf, I almost felt like equating the term with "TERF" in terms of how accurate its definition as a "slur" is... but then it came to me that that's not fair.

I'd say "brocialist" is kinda stuck in the grey area between "overused slur sometimes hurled in one form of other at anyone to the left of Clinton in bad faith" and "useful shorthand for identifying an actual problem in many left-wing circles". I don't think it's unfair to say that some left-wing circles do suffer from having a very... umm... monolithic demographic and, thus, a very limited perspective on social and cultural that feeds on economic reductionism, which in turns justifies that limited perspective. No joke, I actually got a couple not-at-all-mad DMs from one on Reddit a couple days back, and in true brocialist fashion, they combined their whining about "idpol" with ableist slurs and tinges of homophobia.

I twitch whenever I hear 'brocialist' because it gives me flashbacks to the Dem primary in 2015/16.

We were literally supporting the more radical candidate in regards to undertaking action regarding race and gender.

[screaming externally]

Hence why I said it's in the grey area between "slur" and "useful shorthand". The "Berniebro" thing is one big example of the "brocialist" idea being used in bad faith.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:26 pm

Byzconia wrote:Joke's on you, I'm completely fine with censoring them, too.

Well you shouldn't be.
Byzconia wrote:Isn't that the dude who made his dog do a Nazi salute? Yeah, no, fuck that guy. "Hahaha, I'm gonna make my dog do the salute of a regime that murdered millions of people and caused one of the deadliest wars in human history! What a silly joke, I'm so funny!"

]Excuse me for not being a teenage edgelord, but I don't find the systematic murder of millions of people based on their "race" (as well as religious and political beliefs) to be particularly fucking funny.

Jokes about Nazism are a staple of western comedy since the 40s, what makes Dankula any different?
Crysuko wrote:literal nazism. he should hang for it.

A. It's not literal Nazism any more than Monty Python's Nazi sketch was.
B. Even then Nazism shouldn't be a capital crime.
Crysuko wrote:I'm sorry to be steryotypical but I have 0, absolute 0 qualms about rightists of any flavour being de-platformed, silenced and made to feel afraid.

When you want half the people in the world to be silences and afraid, you're just really... malevolent. We're all humans, nobody should be silenced or made to feel afraid, especially those who, by any sane metric, have done nothing to deserve it.'
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Byzconia wrote:His intent is completely irrelevant. We can't prove what he "intended," we can only prove what he did (not that I particularly give a shit what his intent was anyway).

I guess the intent of Monty Python's Hitler sketch is also irrelevant. And are you calling him a liar?
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Postby New haven america » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:26 pm

Torrocca wrote:Friendos pls, argue as you please but the excessive text-resizing is too much. We don't need mod action for silly shit on page two.

I'm sorry wat?
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Postby Greater Westralia » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:26 pm

Byzconia wrote:At this point in time, the salute is almost exclusively associated with the Nazis. Nice try, though.

Because they're totally comparable.

I knew you would raise to the bait. Mind showing how a doggo saluting is the same as making fun of genocide?

You can't just drop a fallacy and walk off, that leans incredibly close to the fallacy fallacy. How are they not comparable? Both are pieces of humour which make fun of Nazism and all its trappings, if the intent of Count Dankula and British propagandists are to believed. I don't particularly see how a little dog doing the nazi salute glorifies Nazism. It's not exactly "peak aesthetics".
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Postby Liriena » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:27 pm

Yusseria wrote:

"The right can't meme" they say as they regurgitate memes created by rightists.

woosh
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Postby Torrocca » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:27 pm

New haven america wrote:
Torrocca wrote:Friendos pls, argue as you please but the excessive text-resizing is too much. We don't need mod action for silly shit on page two.

I'm sorry wat?


NOT YOU TOO ;~;

Well, either way, we're past page two so let the mod tyranny commence, I guess.
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Postby First American Empire » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:27 pm

Arduo wrote:
First American Empire wrote:You know who else was a centrist? Thanos.

"Perfectly balanced, as all things should be." - Thanos da Supa-Centrist

Wise words from a wise man.


TBH, the best thing about Infinity War is that we now have someone to hyperbolically compare centrists to.
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Postby Byzconia » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:27 pm

Crysuko wrote:
Byzconia wrote:I would argue against this. I have plenty of right-leaning friends who aren't racist pieces of shit.

in my experience, right and racist are mutually inclusive. I can't speak for everyone though.

Anglo-Saxon conservatism does tend to have a large degree of implicit racism in it, but it's important to distinguish between actual racists and people who are simply uninformed about the racist connotations of certain arguments/ideas.

Uiiop wrote:
Byzconia wrote:"Making light of the mass murder of millions of innocent people affects no one."

This cuts both ways mind.
Just like "It was a just a joke" doesn't make a statement inherently harmless. ""Making light of the mass murder of millions of innocent people" doesn't make a statement harmful by itself.
It's not like a joke can't be aimed at how fucked up the murders are or how good the screams must have sounded. Or in this case it seems "Ohh i made him do a baad thing."

Yes, it absolutely fucking does.
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