NATION

PASSWORD

LWDT 7: The Earth and Heavens Tremble.

For discussion and debate about anything. (Not a roleplay related forum; out-of-character commentary only.)

Advertisement

Remove ads

Which Book on Leftist Ideology is Your Preferred Book?

The Communist Manifesto (Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels)
23
18%
The Conquest of Bread (Peter Kropotkin)
24
19%
Das Kapital (Karl Marx)
21
16%
What is Property? (Pierre-Joseph Proudhon)
2
2%
Guerilla Warfare (Che Guevara)
8
6%
Mutual Aid (Peter Kropotkin)
2
2%
Profit Over People (Noam Chomsky)
4
3%
The Ego and Its Own (Max Stirner)
8
6%
Debt: The First 5,000 Years (David Graeber)
5
4%
Other (Please Explain)
32
25%
 
Total votes : 129

User avatar
The Empire of Pretantia
Post Czar
 
Posts: 39274
Founded: Oct 18, 2012
Ex-Nation

Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Wed May 22, 2019 8:34 pm

Liriena wrote:
Rostavykhan wrote:
> Pick up a football.

Am I detecting toxic masculinity and enforcement of traditional gender roles? Shocking.

Turns out that jocks were the real comrades all along and nerds are first in line for the gulags. :P

That's how it's always been though.
ywn be as good as this video
Gacha
Trashing other people's waifus
Anti-NN
EA
Douche flutes
Zimbabwe
Putting the toilet paper roll the wrong way
Every single square inch of Asia
Lewding Earth-chan
Pollution
4Chan in all its glory and all its horror
Playing the little Switch controller handheld thing in public
Treading on me
Socialism, Communism, Anarchism, and all their cousins and sisters and brothers and wife's sons
Alternate Universe 40K
Nightcore
Comcast
Zimbabwe
Believing the Ottomans were the third Roman Empire
Parodies of the Gadsden flag
The Fate Series
US politics

User avatar
Liriena
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 59493
Founded: Nov 19, 2010
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Liriena » Wed May 22, 2019 8:34 pm

Proctopeo wrote:

After doing a thorough review of the situation, this seems to be "fiction is reality and anime boobs is pedophilia" nonsense

Look, m'dude, just because your loli is technically a thousand-year-old demon doesn't mean we can let her body pillow sign a marriage certificate without parental consent. :P
be gay do crime


I am:
A pansexual, pantheist, green socialist
An aspiring writer and journalist
Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
cynicism


⚧Copy and paste this in your sig
if you passed biology and know
gender and sex aren't the same thing.⚧

I disown most of my previous posts

User avatar
Torrocca
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 26912
Founded: Dec 01, 2011
Democratic Socialists

Postby Torrocca » Wed May 22, 2019 8:51 pm

Liriena wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:After doing a thorough review of the situation, this seems to be "fiction is reality and anime boobs is pedophilia" nonsense

Look, m'dude, just because your loli is technically a thousand-year-old demon doesn't mean we can let her body pillow sign a marriage certificate without parental consent. :P


"But, your honor! She's a ten-thousand-year-old dragon girl! She just chooses to look, think, act, and talk like a nine-year-old! It's not pedophilia! It's art!"
Communist now and forever.
I am Her Majesty, Torra I, of the House Anarkittismo, NS's self-anointed Anarcho-Monarchist Queen. Now known as God-Empress Torra.
"Fascism is not debated, it is destroyed." - [b]Buenaventura Durruti

"When the people are being hit with a stick, they are not happier if the stick is called “the stick of the people”. The State is an oppression that must be abolished."
I go by Torra and feminine pronouns! They/Them/Their are perfectly acceptable alternatives as well :3
Suggestions welcome!

Capital - Karl Marx and Frederich Engels
Wage Labor and Capital - Karl Marx
The Conquest of Bread - Peter Kropotkin
Mutual Aid - Peter Kropotkin
Statism and Anarchy - Mikhail Bakunin

User avatar
The Xenopolis Confederation
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 8227
Founded: Aug 11, 2017
Anarchy

Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Thu May 23, 2019 5:06 am

Liriena wrote:
Rostavykhan wrote:
> Pick up a football.

Am I detecting toxic masculinity and enforcement of traditional gender roles? Shocking.

Turns out that jocks were the real comrades all along and nerds are first in line for the gulags. :P

This conversation is giving me flashbacks to Johnathan McIntosh's The Adorkable Misogyny of The Big Bang Theory. For this reason, I will be reporting you.
Pro: Liberty, Liberalism, Capitalism, Secularism, Equal opportunity, Direct Democracy, Windows Chauvinism, Progressive Rock, LGBT+ Rights, Live and let live tbh.
Against: Authoritarianism, Traditionalism, Non-Market-Socialism, Laissez-Faire Capitalism, Autocracy, (A)Theocracy, Macs, "The ends justify the means," Collectivism in all its forms.
Economic: 0.5
Social: -8
I'm a 19 year old Australian who tries to think about things but fails, as we all do. I'll regret this in 2 years tops.

I think I have gender dysphoria so I'd prefer you use she/her pronouns on me. If not, he/him'll do.

User avatar
Cekoviu
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 16045
Founded: Oct 18, 2017
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Cekoviu » Thu May 23, 2019 5:14 am


I love him even more now
RWDT - REST IN POWER
Market socialist, David Hume fangirl, and massive Tuvaboo. Moderate SWERF & traditionalist SJW. Non-denominational Christian, influenced by Orthodoxy and certain Protestant currents.
/tʃɛ'koʊ.vi:.ju:/ (check-OH-vee-you)

User avatar
Ostroeuropa
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 54146
Founded: Jun 14, 2006
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu May 23, 2019 5:27 am

The entire debate is dumb and hinges on some pretty dodgy morality on the part of those criticizing loli.

Firstly you've got the fact that it's fictional and nobody is being harmed.
Secondly you've got the fact that, as has already been noted, often the character is not a child.

And a bunch of other stuff.

The problem with pedophilia is the disparity in the mind. Which is more objectionable, an 8 year old magicked into a 20 year olds body and then getting fucked, or a 20 year old into a 8 year olds body? If you answered the second one, there is something wrong with you, but that appears to be the ethical framework being utilized here. I.E, the objection is based around it being physically unattractive and it's bad if you find it physically attractive.

No. That's not the problem. It's not even A Problem. It's certainly not helpful to the discussion either, and is out of step with our other understanding of sex, sexuality, and consent. Basically all the complaints revolve around having certain prefernces being "Immoral.".

A feeling cannot be immoral.

Okay, so you find it gross. Get a grip? That's literally the same ethical framework people use to shut down gay sex on tv and so on. You should not be attacking people for their sexuality and making them feel bad for it, that's bad behavior.

You may as well be wailing about how people who legit masturbate to two girls one cup are ethically repugnant and them pretending its about public health concerns to cover up what you're actually doing.

Guess what. This is also why being a Furry is okay, and fucking animals isn't. I'd expect you to know that Liriena, but I guess not.

Let's say it's loli. It's even child loli. The anime boobs and all. The most extreme, explicit case you can think of.
It's still not a problem, because there is no actual victim here.
Last edited by Ostroeuropa on Thu May 23, 2019 5:31 am, edited 2 times in total.
The plague has been worse for women.
It's true that more men are dying from COVID, but that's not exactly a cause for celebration.
https://i.redd.it/oqy5p3p1ayv41.png

User avatar
Ostroeuropa
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 54146
Founded: Jun 14, 2006
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu May 23, 2019 5:32 am

Rostavykhan wrote:Am I detecting toxic masculinity and enforcement of traditional gender roles? Shocking.


Did you notice the same crowd who used to virgin shame males for going against feminist nonsense are now dogwhistling virgin shaming by calling them "Incels" even when that isn't appropriate? I sure did.
Never assume these people are sincere in their stated principles.
Last edited by Ostroeuropa on Thu May 23, 2019 5:33 am, edited 1 time in total.
The plague has been worse for women.
It's true that more men are dying from COVID, but that's not exactly a cause for celebration.
https://i.redd.it/oqy5p3p1ayv41.png

User avatar
The Xenopolis Confederation
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 8227
Founded: Aug 11, 2017
Anarchy

Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Thu May 23, 2019 5:34 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:The entire debate is dumb and hinges on some pretty dodgy morality on the part of those criticizing loli.

Firstly you've got the fact that it's fictional and nobody is being harmed.
Secondly you've got the fact that, as has already been noted, often the character is not a child.

And a bunch of other stuff.

The problem with pedophilia is the disparity in the mind. Which is more objectionable, an 8 year old magicked into a 20 year olds body and then getting fucked, or a 20 year old into a 8 year olds body? If you answered the second one, there is something wrong with you, but that appears to be the ethical framework being utilized here. I.E, the objection is based around it being physically unattractive and it's bad if you find it physically attractive.

No. That's not the problem. It's not even A Problem. It's certainly not helpful to the discussion either, and is out of step with our other understanding of sex, sexuality, and consent. Basically all the complaints revolve around having certain prefernces being "Immoral.".

A feeling cannot be immoral.

Okay, so you find it gross. Get a grip? That's literally the same ethical framework people use to shut down gay sex on tv and so on. You should not be attacking people for their sexuality and making them feel bad for it, that's bad behavior.

You may as well be wailing about how people who legit masturbate to two girls one cup are ethically repugnant and them pretending its about public health concerns to cover up what you're actually doing.

Guess what. This is also why being a Furry is okay, and fucking animals isn't. I'd expect you to know that Liriena, but I guess not.

Let's say it's loli. It's even child loli. The anime boobs and all. The most extreme, explicit case you can think of.
It's still not a problem, because there is no actual victim here.

Those are good points, but if you are attracted to looking at "lolis" specifically there's no getting around the fact that that is pretty pedophilic.
Pro: Liberty, Liberalism, Capitalism, Secularism, Equal opportunity, Direct Democracy, Windows Chauvinism, Progressive Rock, LGBT+ Rights, Live and let live tbh.
Against: Authoritarianism, Traditionalism, Non-Market-Socialism, Laissez-Faire Capitalism, Autocracy, (A)Theocracy, Macs, "The ends justify the means," Collectivism in all its forms.
Economic: 0.5
Social: -8
I'm a 19 year old Australian who tries to think about things but fails, as we all do. I'll regret this in 2 years tops.

I think I have gender dysphoria so I'd prefer you use she/her pronouns on me. If not, he/him'll do.

User avatar
Crysuko
Negotiator
 
Posts: 6241
Founded: Feb 26, 2013
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Crysuko » Thu May 23, 2019 5:35 am

Rostavykhan wrote:
Nakena wrote:
Whats amazing that former liberals, once they are getting against the system, are much more filled with rage an anger than those amongst us who had beforehand some kind of distance towards their former beliefs and worldview.


I forget who was behind the quote, that you'll not find a more outspoken critic of a system than those who supported it and recently turned against it.



> Pick up a football.

Am I detecting toxic masculinity and enforcement of traditional gender roles? Shocking.

have any more gender shaming buzzwords?
Quotes:
Xilonite wrote: cookies are heresy.

Kelinfort wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

Cesopium wrote:Welp let's hope armies of 10 million don't just roam around and Soviet their way through everything.

Yugoslav Memes wrote:
Victoriala II wrote:Ur mom has value

one week ban for flaming xd

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Much better than the kulak smoothies. Their texture was suspiciously grainy.

Syndicalist, vehement anti-fascist.
I USE Qs INSTEAD OF Qs

User avatar
Ostroeuropa
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 54146
Founded: Jun 14, 2006
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu May 23, 2019 5:37 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:The entire debate is dumb and hinges on some pretty dodgy morality on the part of those criticizing loli.

Firstly you've got the fact that it's fictional and nobody is being harmed.
Secondly you've got the fact that, as has already been noted, often the character is not a child.

And a bunch of other stuff.

The problem with pedophilia is the disparity in the mind. Which is more objectionable, an 8 year old magicked into a 20 year olds body and then getting fucked, or a 20 year old into a 8 year olds body? If you answered the second one, there is something wrong with you, but that appears to be the ethical framework being utilized here. I.E, the objection is based around it being physically unattractive and it's bad if you find it physically attractive.

No. That's not the problem. It's not even A Problem. It's certainly not helpful to the discussion either, and is out of step with our other understanding of sex, sexuality, and consent. Basically all the complaints revolve around having certain prefernces being "Immoral.".

A feeling cannot be immoral.

Okay, so you find it gross. Get a grip? That's literally the same ethical framework people use to shut down gay sex on tv and so on. You should not be attacking people for their sexuality and making them feel bad for it, that's bad behavior.

You may as well be wailing about how people who legit masturbate to two girls one cup are ethically repugnant and them pretending its about public health concerns to cover up what you're actually doing.

Guess what. This is also why being a Furry is okay, and fucking animals isn't. I'd expect you to know that Liriena, but I guess not.

Let's say it's loli. It's even child loli. The anime boobs and all. The most extreme, explicit case you can think of.
It's still not a problem, because there is no actual victim here.

Those are good points, but if you are attracted to looking at "lolis" specifically there's no getting around the fact that that is pretty pedophilic.


*shrug*
Not particularly. If you're attracted on sight then yes, but a significant part of attraction is mannerism and personality based. In this case, especially as you've dumped a non-child personality in there, it's entirely possible to find a character attractive without being a pedophile.

If you dumped a certain personality type into a spider and I spent time with them the thought of trying to figure out how to fuck it would probably cross my mind, but i'm not attracted to spiders.
Honestly, have you seen Bleach?

People were talking about wanting to fuck that cat even before it turned into an adult hot as fuck woman. That was the joke the writers pulled.

As a general rule if they're attracted on sight, or attracted to childlike personality traits, that's the red flag.

Think up a fictional character who you simply find magnetising and alluring. Now dump that personality in the loli body, and keep the mannerisms. Is It attractive? You might even find it less attractive, but it'll probably still be attractive to some extent.
Last edited by Ostroeuropa on Thu May 23, 2019 5:40 am, edited 3 times in total.
The plague has been worse for women.
It's true that more men are dying from COVID, but that's not exactly a cause for celebration.
https://i.redd.it/oqy5p3p1ayv41.png

User avatar
The Xenopolis Confederation
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 8227
Founded: Aug 11, 2017
Anarchy

Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Thu May 23, 2019 5:39 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Those are good points, but if you are attracted to looking at "lolis" specifically there's no getting around the fact that that is pretty pedophilic.


*shrug*
Not particularly. If you're attracted on sight then yes, but a significant part of attraction is mannerism and personality based. In this case, especially as you've dumped a non-child personality in there, it's entirely possible to find a character attractive without being a pedophile.

If you dumped a certain personality type into a spider and I spent time with them the thought of trying to figure out how to fuck it would probably cross my mind, but i'm not attracted to spiders.

As a general rule if they're attracted on sight, or attracted to childlike personality traits, that's the red flag.

I mean, if you're attracted to lolis along with adult anime girls then that's okay, it's just if you specifically prefer lolis that red flags are raised, in my opinion.
Pro: Liberty, Liberalism, Capitalism, Secularism, Equal opportunity, Direct Democracy, Windows Chauvinism, Progressive Rock, LGBT+ Rights, Live and let live tbh.
Against: Authoritarianism, Traditionalism, Non-Market-Socialism, Laissez-Faire Capitalism, Autocracy, (A)Theocracy, Macs, "The ends justify the means," Collectivism in all its forms.
Economic: 0.5
Social: -8
I'm a 19 year old Australian who tries to think about things but fails, as we all do. I'll regret this in 2 years tops.

I think I have gender dysphoria so I'd prefer you use she/her pronouns on me. If not, he/him'll do.

User avatar
Ostroeuropa
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 54146
Founded: Jun 14, 2006
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu May 23, 2019 5:41 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
*shrug*
Not particularly. If you're attracted on sight then yes, but a significant part of attraction is mannerism and personality based. In this case, especially as you've dumped a non-child personality in there, it's entirely possible to find a character attractive without being a pedophile.

If you dumped a certain personality type into a spider and I spent time with them the thought of trying to figure out how to fuck it would probably cross my mind, but i'm not attracted to spiders.

As a general rule if they're attracted on sight, or attracted to childlike personality traits, that's the red flag.

I mean, if you're attracted to lolis along with adult anime girls then that's okay, it's just if you specifically prefer lolis that red flags are raised, in my opinion.


I'm not denying there's red flags to be had here, i'm objecting to the totalizing narrative being advanced on the issue, as well as the general "anime boobs" thing feminists are pushing out of a hatred for male sexuality being different from female sexuality and refusing to accept that men and women are different, and women are not more ethical and the default men should aspire to with any differences being down to the evil patriarchy.
The plague has been worse for women.
It's true that more men are dying from COVID, but that's not exactly a cause for celebration.
https://i.redd.it/oqy5p3p1ayv41.png

User avatar
Ostroeuropa
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 54146
Founded: Jun 14, 2006
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu May 23, 2019 5:48 am

Here's an example of some traits of a character and things one loli character did in the show "The Abyss"

1. SCIENCE! HaAhAHahaAHahaHAHahaAhAHAhahaAHHAahAHah. (Mad scientist girl.).
2. Let's go on an adventure into that fucking Cthulhu pit. Why? To see what's in it.
3. Coldly decides to bait and switch a horrible monster into eating her classmates so she can get away with no signs of trauma.
4. Threatens people with a knife.
5. We have to keep going further into the pit, and if you don't want to, that's a problem for all of us. For us. For me. Keep. Walking.
6. Sacrifices some more classmates
7. Oh yeah I was born in the Cthulhu pit but i'm sure it's fine.
8. HMM. SCIENCE.
9. Let's euthanize some people.
10. Oh god, my arm, it is poisoned. It'll need to be cut off. No, no, don't do it at the joint. I know that's easier, but hear me out. If I keep the joint, i'll have more articulation in the arm afterward, so what I need you to do, is break my arm, then saw it off through the break.
11. You've been experimenting on children? Neat! What did you find out? Can I see your data set?

These are not childlike qualities.

Another example, arguably, is Yuno Gasai. Who is basically just Yandere Ur Example, which some men find attractive because the notion of a girl psychotically into you appeals to them.

Often, the loli archetype or underage girl characters are utilized because it's a way for a character to get away with some really fucked up shit and still remain sympathetic. Some people find evil alluring in a "Bad girls" sort of way, similar to "Bad boys".

When deciding if loli is pedophilic, you should probably ask yourself:
does the person in question find the personality type of actual children attractive.
Last edited by Ostroeuropa on Thu May 23, 2019 5:53 am, edited 5 times in total.
The plague has been worse for women.
It's true that more men are dying from COVID, but that's not exactly a cause for celebration.
https://i.redd.it/oqy5p3p1ayv41.png

User avatar
Crysuko
Negotiator
 
Posts: 6241
Founded: Feb 26, 2013
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Crysuko » Thu May 23, 2019 6:04 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:Here's an example of some traits of a character and things one loli character did in the show "The Abyss"

1. SCIENCE! HaAhAHahaAHahaHAHahaAhAHAhahaAHHAahAHah. (Mad scientist girl.).
2. Let's go on an adventure into that fucking Cthulhu pit. Why? To see what's in it.
3. Coldly decides to bait and switch a horrible monster into eating her classmates so she can get away with no signs of trauma.
4. Threatens people with a knife.
5. We have to keep going further into the pit, and if you don't want to, that's a problem for all of us. For us. For me. Keep. Walking.
6. Sacrifices some more classmates
7. Oh yeah I was born in the Cthulhu pit but i'm sure it's fine.
8. HMM. SCIENCE.
9. Let's euthanize some people.
10. Oh god, my arm, it is poisoned. It'll need to be cut off. No, no, don't do it at the joint. I know that's easier, but hear me out. If I keep the joint, i'll have more articulation in the arm afterward, so what I need you to do, is break my arm, then saw it off through the break.
11. You've been experimenting on children? Neat! What did you find out? Can I see your data set?

These are not childlike qualities.

Another example, arguably, is Yuno Gasai. Who is basically just Yandere Ur Example, which some men find attractive because the notion of a girl psychotically into you appeals to them.

Often, the loli archetype or underage girl characters are utilized because it's a way for a character to get away with some really fucked up shit and still remain sympathetic. Some people find evil alluring in a "Bad girls" sort of way, similar to "Bad boys".

When deciding if loli is pedophilic, you should probably ask yourself:
does the person in question find the personality type of actual children attractive.

as any pedo who's been put behind bars will tell you, "but she consented" or "but she was more mature" isn't a defence any jury will take seriously.
Quotes:
Xilonite wrote: cookies are heresy.

Kelinfort wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

Cesopium wrote:Welp let's hope armies of 10 million don't just roam around and Soviet their way through everything.

Yugoslav Memes wrote:
Victoriala II wrote:Ur mom has value

one week ban for flaming xd

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Much better than the kulak smoothies. Their texture was suspiciously grainy.

Syndicalist, vehement anti-fascist.
I USE Qs INSTEAD OF Qs

User avatar
Ostroeuropa
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 54146
Founded: Jun 14, 2006
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu May 23, 2019 6:17 am

Crysuko wrote:as any pedo who's been put behind bars will tell you, "but she consented" or "but she was more mature" isn't a defence any jury will take seriously.


In those cases, there is:

1. An Actual child involved
and
2. an Actual childs personality and mind involved

So it doesn't exactly count. Do you think a 20 year olds mind put into a childs body is capable of consent? Do you think an 8 year olds mind put into an adult body can consent?
The plague has been worse for women.
It's true that more men are dying from COVID, but that's not exactly a cause for celebration.
https://i.redd.it/oqy5p3p1ayv41.png

User avatar
The Xenopolis Confederation
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 8227
Founded: Aug 11, 2017
Anarchy

Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Thu May 23, 2019 6:20 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:I mean, if you're attracted to lolis along with adult anime girls then that's okay, it's just if you specifically prefer lolis that red flags are raised, in my opinion.


I'm not denying there's red flags to be had here, i'm objecting to the totalizing narrative being advanced on the issue, as well as the general "anime boobs" thing feminists are pushing out of a hatred for male sexuality being different from female sexuality and refusing to accept that men and women are different, and women are not more ethical and the default men should aspire to with any differences being down to the evil patriarchy.

Yeah, prohibiting lolis is a bit of a stretch in my opinion, but saying that it's a result of some sort of misandry seems like a reach.
Pro: Liberty, Liberalism, Capitalism, Secularism, Equal opportunity, Direct Democracy, Windows Chauvinism, Progressive Rock, LGBT+ Rights, Live and let live tbh.
Against: Authoritarianism, Traditionalism, Non-Market-Socialism, Laissez-Faire Capitalism, Autocracy, (A)Theocracy, Macs, "The ends justify the means," Collectivism in all its forms.
Economic: 0.5
Social: -8
I'm a 19 year old Australian who tries to think about things but fails, as we all do. I'll regret this in 2 years tops.

I think I have gender dysphoria so I'd prefer you use she/her pronouns on me. If not, he/him'll do.

User avatar
Ostroeuropa
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 54146
Founded: Jun 14, 2006
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu May 23, 2019 6:26 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
I'm not denying there's red flags to be had here, i'm objecting to the totalizing narrative being advanced on the issue, as well as the general "anime boobs" thing feminists are pushing out of a hatred for male sexuality being different from female sexuality and refusing to accept that men and women are different, and women are not more ethical and the default men should aspire to with any differences being down to the evil patriarchy.

Yeah, prohibiting lolis is a bit of a stretch in my opinion, but saying that it's a result of some sort of misandry seems like a reach.


That's more about the anime boobs thing than the loli thing. Because there you've got the visual element of mens sexuality being demonized because it is different to womens sexuality.
The plague has been worse for women.
It's true that more men are dying from COVID, but that's not exactly a cause for celebration.
https://i.redd.it/oqy5p3p1ayv41.png

User avatar
Asherahan
Minister
 
Posts: 2139
Founded: Dec 08, 2015
Democratic Socialists

Postby Asherahan » Thu May 23, 2019 6:27 am

I have read some Loli hentai some are good some are so bad that I question my will to live.

To begin with I mostly read Milf Netorare so the loli thing is not my cup of tea.

Also on the subject of should loli be legal? Well its art and nobody real is getting hurt. And no I do not think it is some gateway drug into becoming a pedo.
Last edited by Asherahan on Thu May 23, 2019 6:36 am, edited 2 times in total.
Status: Serial Forum Lurker
Ideologically a Blanquist
Who Likes: Single Party Democracy | Democratic Centralism | State Capitalism | Blanquism | State Atheism | Sex Positive Feminism & Socialist Feminism
Former Resident of NSG CTALNH here since 2011 - Add like 10000 to my post number.
Political Stances

User avatar
North German Realm
Senator
 
Posts: 4343
Founded: Jan 27, 2019
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby North German Realm » Thu May 23, 2019 6:39 am

Honestly, while I view lolicons are distasteful at best (and a few expletives I dare not mention on this site at worst), it's in reality just fucking irrelevant for the larger picture. The myth that "pedophilic or pedophile-looking media will help the pedophiles not act on their fucking urges" is just a myth, but honestly? Don't we have bigger fish to fry at this point?
-----------------
-----------------
-----------------
North Germany
Norddeutschland

Homepage || Overview | Sovereign | Chancellor | Military | Legislature || The World
4 Jul, 2020
Die Morgenpost: Turkey faces International Backlash for acts of aggression! || North Germany suffers first defeat in Strata Zagora! Retreating forces regroup in Yambol, move to capture enemy positions in Burgas. | Nicosia fully liberated from Turkish occupation, legitimate government reestablished in Cyprus by the Commonwealth of Nations. | North German Destroyer IMS Berlin joins Aircraft Carrier IMS Preußen in bombarding Tunisian positions in Cape of Bon. French garrison in Tunis defeats Tunisian forces attempting to capture the city. | Coal Phaseout in North Germany reaches third stage, expected to be completed by 2025.

User avatar
Torrocca
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 26912
Founded: Dec 01, 2011
Democratic Socialists

Postby Torrocca » Thu May 23, 2019 7:18 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:The entire debate is dumb and hinges on some pretty dodgy morality on the part of those criticizing loli.


I'm gonna stop you right there, chief.

First and fore-fucking-most, there's literally nothing "dodgy" about criticizing the depiction of kids being sexualized and/or literally fucked, animated or not. Secondly, there's the fact of the matter that both the normalization of pedophilia by accepting loli and the concept of supply and demand exist, which means that A) pedophiles who might not previously go after children because of societal norms might very well be emboldened to actually fucking do it if society allows pedophilic media to be consumed in the form of animated bullshit, and B) demand for more and more extreme forms of child sexualization/fucking very easily could rise to a fuckton more child porn than already exists.

All in all, whatever defense you're making for lolicon is bullshit.
Communist now and forever.
I am Her Majesty, Torra I, of the House Anarkittismo, NS's self-anointed Anarcho-Monarchist Queen. Now known as God-Empress Torra.
"Fascism is not debated, it is destroyed." - [b]Buenaventura Durruti

"When the people are being hit with a stick, they are not happier if the stick is called “the stick of the people”. The State is an oppression that must be abolished."
I go by Torra and feminine pronouns! They/Them/Their are perfectly acceptable alternatives as well :3
Suggestions welcome!

Capital - Karl Marx and Frederich Engels
Wage Labor and Capital - Karl Marx
The Conquest of Bread - Peter Kropotkin
Mutual Aid - Peter Kropotkin
Statism and Anarchy - Mikhail Bakunin

User avatar
Liriena
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 59493
Founded: Nov 19, 2010
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Liriena » Thu May 23, 2019 7:36 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Liriena wrote:Turns out that jocks were the real comrades all along and nerds are first in line for the gulags. :P

This conversation is giving me flashbacks to Johnathan McIntosh's The Adorkable Misogyny of The Big Bang Theory. For this reason, I will be reporting you.

Oh man, I remember that video. I still liked the one about military propaganda more, though.
be gay do crime


I am:
A pansexual, pantheist, green socialist
An aspiring writer and journalist
Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
cynicism


⚧Copy and paste this in your sig
if you passed biology and know
gender and sex aren't the same thing.⚧

I disown most of my previous posts

User avatar
Ostroeuropa
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 54146
Founded: Jun 14, 2006
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu May 23, 2019 7:37 am

Torrocca wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:The entire debate is dumb and hinges on some pretty dodgy morality on the part of those criticizing loli.


I'm gonna stop you right there, chief.

First and fore-fucking-most, there's literally nothing "dodgy" about criticizing the depiction of kids being sexualized and/or literally fucked, animated or not. Secondly, there's the fact of the matter that both the normalization of pedophilia by accepting loli and the concept of supply and demand exist, which means that A) pedophiles who might not previously go after children because of societal norms might very well be emboldened to actually fucking do it if society allows pedophilic media to be consumed in the form of animated bullshit, and B) demand for more and more extreme forms of child sexualization/fucking very easily could rise to a fuckton more child porn than already exists.

All in all, whatever defense you're making for lolicon is bullshit.


Do you have any actual evidence or any of these claims of yours, like scientific evidence, or is it just assertions based in your worldview that the overwhelming majority of people are sick of and think is broken already?
The plague has been worse for women.
It's true that more men are dying from COVID, but that's not exactly a cause for celebration.
https://i.redd.it/oqy5p3p1ayv41.png

User avatar
The Xenopolis Confederation
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 8227
Founded: Aug 11, 2017
Anarchy

Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Thu May 23, 2019 7:42 am

Liriena wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:This conversation is giving me flashbacks to Johnathan McIntosh's The Adorkable Misogyny of The Big Bang Theory. For this reason, I will be reporting you.

Oh man, I remember that video. I still liked the one about military propaganda more, though.

I like skinny dipping in acid more, though.
Pro: Liberty, Liberalism, Capitalism, Secularism, Equal opportunity, Direct Democracy, Windows Chauvinism, Progressive Rock, LGBT+ Rights, Live and let live tbh.
Against: Authoritarianism, Traditionalism, Non-Market-Socialism, Laissez-Faire Capitalism, Autocracy, (A)Theocracy, Macs, "The ends justify the means," Collectivism in all its forms.
Economic: 0.5
Social: -8
I'm a 19 year old Australian who tries to think about things but fails, as we all do. I'll regret this in 2 years tops.

I think I have gender dysphoria so I'd prefer you use she/her pronouns on me. If not, he/him'll do.

User avatar
Liriena
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 59493
Founded: Nov 19, 2010
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Liriena » Thu May 23, 2019 7:44 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:The entire debate is dumb and hinges on some pretty dodgy morality on the part of those criticizing loli.

Firstly you've got the fact that it's fictional and nobody is being harmed.
Secondly you've got the fact that, as has already been noted, often the character is not a child.

And a bunch of other stuff.

The problem with pedophilia is the disparity in the mind. Which is more objectionable, an 8 year old magicked into a 20 year olds body and then getting fucked, or a 20 year old into a 8 year olds body? If you answered the second one, there is something wrong with you, but that appears to be the ethical framework being utilized here. I.E, the objection is based around it being physically unattractive and it's bad if you find it physically attractive.

No. That's not the problem. It's not even A Problem. It's certainly not helpful to the discussion either, and is out of step with our other understanding of sex, sexuality, and consent. Basically all the complaints revolve around having certain prefernces being "Immoral.".

A feeling cannot be immoral.

Okay, so you find it gross. Get a grip? That's literally the same ethical framework people use to shut down gay sex on tv and so on. You should not be attacking people for their sexuality and making them feel bad for it, that's bad behavior.

You may as well be wailing about how people who legit masturbate to two girls one cup are ethically repugnant and them pretending its about public health concerns to cover up what you're actually doing.

Guess what. This is also why being a Furry is okay, and fucking animals isn't. I'd expect you to know that Liriena, but I guess not.

Let's say it's loli. It's even child loli. The anime boobs and all. The most extreme, explicit case you can think of.
It's still not a problem, because there is no actual victim here.

You do have a point on the fact that, at least in principle, attraction to lolis (or shotas) is a victimless crime that's not even a crime in the first place and, yeah, innermost feelings, attractions, aren't immoral.

That said... there is an inherent silliness to the "protecc muh infantile anime waifu" brand of anti-SJWism that's worth mocking. It's dorky as fuck, specially when framed in terms of "I'm gonna cheer for homophobic censorship because it makes 'SJWs' mad and they allegedly took my video game lolis away".
be gay do crime


I am:
A pansexual, pantheist, green socialist
An aspiring writer and journalist
Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
cynicism


⚧Copy and paste this in your sig
if you passed biology and know
gender and sex aren't the same thing.⚧

I disown most of my previous posts

User avatar
Torrocca
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 26912
Founded: Dec 01, 2011
Democratic Socialists

Postby Torrocca » Thu May 23, 2019 7:47 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
I'm gonna stop you right there, chief.

First and fore-fucking-most, there's literally nothing "dodgy" about criticizing the depiction of kids being sexualized and/or literally fucked, animated or not. Secondly, there's the fact of the matter that both the normalization of pedophilia by accepting loli and the concept of supply and demand exist, which means that A) pedophiles who might not previously go after children because of societal norms might very well be emboldened to actually fucking do it if society allows pedophilic media to be consumed in the form of animated bullshit, and B) demand for more and more extreme forms of child sexualization/fucking very easily could rise to a fuckton more child porn than already exists.

All in all, whatever defense you're making for lolicon is bullshit.


Do you have any actual evidence or any of these claims of yours, like scientific evidence, or is it just assertions based in your worldview that the overwhelming majority of people are sick of and think is broken already?


Literally just look at any fucking scenario where the supply and demand for something have been normalized and/or legalized ffs, like holy shit this isn't rocket science. If you normalize something like pedophilia through the accepted consumption of animated acts of child sexualization/porn, then the fucking logical outcome is an inevitable increase in actual child sexualization/porn.
Communist now and forever.
I am Her Majesty, Torra I, of the House Anarkittismo, NS's self-anointed Anarcho-Monarchist Queen. Now known as God-Empress Torra.
"Fascism is not debated, it is destroyed." - [b]Buenaventura Durruti

"When the people are being hit with a stick, they are not happier if the stick is called “the stick of the people”. The State is an oppression that must be abolished."
I go by Torra and feminine pronouns! They/Them/Their are perfectly acceptable alternatives as well :3
Suggestions welcome!

Capital - Karl Marx and Frederich Engels
Wage Labor and Capital - Karl Marx
The Conquest of Bread - Peter Kropotkin
Mutual Aid - Peter Kropotkin
Statism and Anarchy - Mikhail Bakunin

PreviousNext

Advertisement

Remove ads

Return to General

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Alyakia, Ameriganastan, Big Jim P, Bombadil, Britannia Maior, Dolgo, Duvniask, Google [Bot], Gormwood, Grinning Dragon, Gun Manufacturers, Jerzylvania, Krasny-Volny, Kubra, Lat-Errier, Leninist Haven, Loben The 2nd, Names Are Too Hard, Ostroeuropa, The Lone Alliance, Thermodolia, Varocia, Vivaxea

Advertisement

Remove ads