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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 1:01 am
by Benuty
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Jack Thomas Lang wrote:Bat'ko was a dunderhead who deserved what he got for helping the Bolshies. If it wasn't for Bat'ko sucking away AFSR troops when Denikin needed them most for the Moscow offensive, the White Army would have been parading in Moscow by 1919.

Um... Isn't Bat'ko a YouTuber?

I looked it up, and it seems to be a reference to Nestor Makhno and a few others.

PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 1:02 am
by Jack Thomas Lang
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Um... Isn't Bat'ko a YouTuber?

He is, and an Aussie to boot. But I'm talking about Nester Makhno, the Ukrainian anarchist. Bat'ko takes his name from Makhno.

PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 1:31 am
by Crysuko
Jack Thomas Lang wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Um... Isn't Bat'ko a YouTuber?

He is, and an Aussie to boot. But I'm talking about Nester Makhno, the Ukrainian anarchist. Bat'ko takes his name from Makhno.

Makhno is my husbando. also, i'm entirely sure the free territory could have survived on it's own if trotsky hadn't fucked with it

PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 1:36 am
by The Xenopolis Confederation
Crysuko wrote:
Jack Thomas Lang wrote:He is, and an Aussie to boot. But I'm talking about Nester Makhno, the Ukrainian anarchist. Bat'ko takes his name from Makhno.

Makhno is my husbando. also, i'm entirely sure the free territory could have survived on it's own if trotsky hadn't fucked with it

When a Communist makes fun of Trotsky it initiates a Pavlovian response from me.

PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 1:37 am
by Crysuko
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Crysuko wrote:Makhno is my husbando. also, i'm entirely sure the free territory could have survived on it's own if trotsky hadn't fucked with it

When a Communist makes fun of Trotsky it initiates a Pavlovian response from me.

good thing i'm a syndicalist.

PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 2:00 am
by Jack Thomas Lang
Crysuko wrote:Makhno is my husbando. also, i'm entirely sure the free territory could have survived on it's own if trotsky hadn't fucked with it

Sure, it would have survived on its own if the Bolsheviks allowed an anarchist enclave within their borders sitting on prime agricultural and industrial land. The Free Territory was doomed to fail and it helped take the Whites down with it.

PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 5:31 am
by West Leas Oros 2
Crysuko wrote:
Jack Thomas Lang wrote:He is, and an Aussie to boot. But I'm talking about Nester Makhno, the Ukrainian anarchist. Bat'ko takes his name from Makhno.

Makhno is my husbando. also, i'm entirely sure the free territory could have survived on it's own if trotsky hadn't fucked with it

>Implying Trotsky fucking the free territory was a bad thing
*malicious trot noises*

PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 6:22 am
by Dumb Ideologies
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Crysuko wrote:Makhno is my husbando. also, i'm entirely sure the free territory could have survived on it's own if trotsky hadn't fucked with it

>Implying Trotsky fucking the free territory was a bad thing
*malicious trot noises*


"Free Territory? I'll take it!"

Way I sees, they were sort of asking for it...

PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 6:36 am
by Ostroeuropa
Reminder that anti-communist socialism was seen as basically normal for a long time and included figures like Betrand Russel, who said of Marx;

"In relation to any political doctrine there are two questions to be asked: (1) Are its theoretical tenets true? (2) Is its practical policy likely to increase human happiness? For my part, I think the theoretical tenets of Communism are false, and I think its practical maxims are such as to produce an immeasurable increase of human misery."

"The theoretical doctrines of Communism are for the most part derived from Marx. My objections to Marx are of two sorts: one, that he was muddle-headed; and the other, that his thinking was almost entirely inspired by hatred. The doctrine of surplus value, which is supposed to demonstrate the exploitation of wage-earners under capitalism, is arrived at: (a) by surreptitiously accepting Malthus’s doctrine of population, which Marx and all his disciples explicitly repudiate; (b) by applying Ricardo’s theory of value to wages, but not to the prices of manufactured articles. He is entirely satisfied with the result, not because it is in accordance with the facts or because it is logically coherent, but because it is calculated to rouse fury in wage-earners. Marx’s doctrine that all historical events have been motivated by class conflicts is a rash and untrue extension to world history of certain features prominent in England and France a hundred years ago. His belief that there is a cosmic force called Dialectical Materialism which governs human history independently of human volitions, is mere mythology. His theoretical errors, however, would not have mattered so much but for the fact that, like Tertullian and Carlyle, his chief desire was to see his enemies punished, and he cared little what happened to his friends in the process."


And of Lenin;
"He seemed to be a reincarnation of Cromwell, with all the same limitations: absolute orthodoxy. He thought a proposition could be proved by quoting Marx. And he was incapable of supposing that there was anything in Marx that wasn't right"


Yet supported workplace democracy, short working hours, and was critical of capitalism, noting;
"Advocates of capitalism are very apt to appeal to the sacred principles of liberty, which are embodied in one maxim: The fortunate must not be restrained in the exercise of tyranny over the unfortunate."

PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 6:58 am
by The Xenopolis Confederation
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Crysuko wrote:Makhno is my husbando. also, i'm entirely sure the free territory could have survived on it's own if trotsky hadn't fucked with it

>Implying Trotsky fucking the free territory was a bad thing
*malicious trot noises*

I'm kind of lost. What was the free territory, and why did Trotsky have sex with it?

PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 7:01 am
by Nakena
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:>Implying Trotsky fucking the free territory was a bad thing
*malicious trot noises*

I'm kind of lost. What was the free territory, and why did Trotsky have sex with it?


Here you go

PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 7:41 am
by Crysuko
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Crysuko wrote:Makhno is my husbando. also, i'm entirely sure the free territory could have survived on it's own if trotsky hadn't fucked with it

>Implying Trotsky fucking the free territory was a bad thing
*malicious trot noises*

I'd consider fighting you but you'd split before I got there :^)

PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 7:49 am
by West Leas Oros 2
Crysuko wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:>Implying Trotsky fucking the free territory was a bad thing
*malicious trot noises*

I'd consider fighting you but you'd split before I got there :^)

Where’s the Seinfeld bass when you need it?

PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 8:15 am
by Ostroeuropa
Dutch minister for migration has resigned following it emerging that he covered up the extent of rapes and murders committed by migrants, sweeping those crimes under "Other" in his report on migrant crime.

PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 8:17 am
by Nakena
Ostroeuropa wrote:Dutch minister for migration has resigned following it emerging that he covered up the extent of rapes and murders committed by migrants, sweeping those crimes under "Other" in his report on migrant crime.


Sounds spicy.

Sauce me up.

PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 8:18 am
by Ostroeuropa
Nakena wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:Dutch minister for migration has resigned following it emerging that he covered up the extent of rapes and murders committed by migrants, sweeping those crimes under "Other" in his report on migrant crime.


Sounds spicy.

Sauce me up.


https://www.google.com/search?q=dutch+m ... 66&bih=625

"Shame to lose such a Talented Liberal"

lol

PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 8:19 am
by Nakena
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Nakena wrote:
Sounds spicy.

Sauce me up.


https://www.google.com/search?q=dutch+m ... 66&bih=625


Ohh that is amazing. He had it coming. Shouldn be this a thread of its own? This is too memetic to be true.

PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 8:22 am
by Ostroeuropa
Nakena wrote:


Ohh that is amazing. He had it coming. Shouldn be this a thread of its own? This is too memetic to be true.


Not the first incident either. Remember a while back people working in refugee centers were told to be quiet about being raped by the migrants they were there to help?

Pathological altruism arising from progressive ideology.

PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 8:54 am
by Cekoviu
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:>Implying Trotsky fucking the free territory was a bad thing
*malicious trot noises*

I'm kind of lost. What was the free territory, and why did Trotsky have sex with it?

I'd be Trotsky's free territory any day ;)

PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 8:55 am
by Dumb Ideologies
Ostroeuropa wrote:Dutch minister for migration has resigned following it emerging that he covered up the extent of rapes and murders committed by migrants, sweeping those crimes under "Other" in his report on migrant crime.


Oof.

PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 8:56 am
by The Xenopolis Confederation
Cekoviu wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:I'm kind of lost. What was the free territory, and why did Trotsky have sex with it?

I'd be Trotsky's free territory any day ;)

Same tbh. How could you not with that magnificent beard?

PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 8:57 am
by Cekoviu
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:I'd be Trotsky's free territory any day ;)

Same tbh. How could you not with that magnificent beard?

As a younger man, he didn't have it, but he was still a snacc.
But fr, young Stalin. How can somebody so hot be so evil?

PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 8:57 am
by Proctopeo
Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:Dutch minister for migration has resigned following it emerging that he covered up the extent of rapes and murders committed by migrants, sweeping those crimes under "Other" in his report on migrant crime.


Oof.

"Sal got caught covering up heinous crimes committed by migrants, making him tonight's biggest loser"

PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 9:04 am
by The Xenopolis Confederation
Cekoviu wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Same tbh. How could you not with that magnificent beard?

As a younger man, he didn't have it, but he was still a snacc.
But fr, young Stalin. How can somebody so hot be so evil?

Some people have all the luck.

PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 9:17 am
by North German Realm
Ostroeuropa wrote:Dutch minister for migration has resigned following it emerging that he covered up the extent of rapes and murders committed by migrants, sweeping those crimes under "Other" in his report on migrant crime.

Not very surprising, I must admit. Neither the "rape" part, nor the "hiding" part.