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Which Book on Leftist Ideology is Your Preferred Book?

The Communist Manifesto (Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels)
23
18%
The Conquest of Bread (Peter Kropotkin)
24
19%
Das Kapital (Karl Marx)
21
16%
What is Property? (Pierre-Joseph Proudhon)
2
2%
Guerilla Warfare (Che Guevara)
8
6%
Mutual Aid (Peter Kropotkin)
2
2%
Profit Over People (Noam Chomsky)
4
3%
The Ego and Its Own (Max Stirner)
8
6%
Debt: The First 5,000 Years (David Graeber)
5
4%
Other (Please Explain)
32
25%
 
Total votes : 129

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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Sun May 19, 2019 10:29 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Would you prefer the theocratic, authoritarian fundamentalism the Arab world has now?


As long as it remains isolated to their little corner of the world I wouldn't care.

I know which one I'd rather live under.
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Crysuko
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Postby Crysuko » Sun May 19, 2019 10:31 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Would you prefer the theocratic, authoritarian fundamentalism the Arab world has now?


As long as it remains isolated to their little corner of the world I wouldn't care.

how callous. "as long as it's not happening to me and mine, it doesn't matter"
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Kelinfort wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

Cesopium wrote:Welp let's hope armies of 10 million don't just roam around and Soviet their way through everything.

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one week ban for flaming xd

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun May 19, 2019 10:34 am

Crysuko wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
As long as it remains isolated to their little corner of the world I wouldn't care.

how callous. "as long as it's not happening to me and mine, it doesn't matter"


The overwhelming majority of the Muslim population worldwide supports Shariah law and other such things. Would you instead prefer western imperialism to go around and destroy the cultures and beliefs of the third world?

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Postby Crysuko » Sun May 19, 2019 10:35 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Crysuko wrote:how callous. "as long as it's not happening to me and mine, it doesn't matter"


The overwhelming majority of the Muslim population worldwide supports Shariah law and other such things. Would you instead prefer western imperialism to go around and destroy the cultures and beliefs of the third world?

I C O N O C L A S M
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Kelinfort wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

Cesopium wrote:Welp let's hope armies of 10 million don't just roam around and Soviet their way through everything.

Yugoslav Memes wrote:
Victoriala II wrote:Ur mom has value

one week ban for flaming xd

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Much better than the kulak smoothies. Their texture was suspiciously grainy.

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Postby Cekoviu » Sun May 19, 2019 10:35 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Would you prefer the theocratic, authoritarian fundamentalism the Arab world has now?


As long as it remains isolated to their little corner of the world I wouldn't care.

The Arab world is significantly larger than the United States (particularly if you exclude Alaska, which barely even exists) and has about 100 million more people. It's hardly a "little corner of the world" unless you'd also consider the entire US to be a little corner of the world.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun May 19, 2019 10:37 am

Crysuko wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The overwhelming majority of the Muslim population worldwide supports Shariah law and other such things. Would you instead prefer western imperialism to go around and destroy the cultures and beliefs of the third world?

I C O N O C L A S M


N O, iconoclasm is a shit

Cekoviu wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
As long as it remains isolated to their little corner of the world I wouldn't care.

The Arab world is significantly larger than the United States (particularly if you exclude Alaska, which barely even exists) and has about 100 million more people. It's hardly a "little corner of the world" unless you'd also consider the entire US to be a little corner of the world.


T'was just a figure of speech.

Also no hate on Alaska plz, it's a wonderful place

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Cekoviu
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Postby Cekoviu » Sun May 19, 2019 10:42 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:The Arab world is significantly larger than the United States (particularly if you exclude Alaska, which barely even exists) and has about 100 million more people. It's hardly a "little corner of the world" unless you'd also consider the entire US to be a little corner of the world.


T'was just a figure of speech.

Also no hate on Alaska plz, it's a wonderful place

Alaska has like 3 people in it; it doesn't count as part of the US. Pretty though
Fun fact: the total insect biomass is estimated to decrease by 2.5% each year. If left unresolved, this could have catastrophic effects on ecosystems around the world.
Torrocca wrote:"Your honor, it was not mein fault! I didn't order the systematic genocide of millions of people, it was the twenty kilograms of pure-cut Bavarian cocaine that did it!"
Liriena wrote:anyone to the left of Pinochet: *exists*

right-wingers: wat about vuvuzelaaa lmao gottem

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Crysuko
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Postby Crysuko » Sun May 19, 2019 10:42 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Crysuko wrote:I C O N O C L A S M


N O, iconoclasm is a shit

Cekoviu wrote:The Arab world is significantly larger than the United States (particularly if you exclude Alaska, which barely even exists) and has about 100 million more people. It's hardly a "little corner of the world" unless you'd also consider the entire US to be a little corner of the world.


T'was just a figure of speech.

Also no hate on Alaska plz, it's a wonderful place

replace Sunnis and Shias killing each other with religious groups not killing each other. sounds good to me.
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Xilonite wrote: cookies are heresy.

Kelinfort wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

Cesopium wrote:Welp let's hope armies of 10 million don't just roam around and Soviet their way through everything.

Yugoslav Memes wrote:
Victoriala II wrote:Ur mom has value

one week ban for flaming xd

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Much better than the kulak smoothies. Their texture was suspiciously grainy.

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Postby North German Realm » Sun May 19, 2019 10:44 am

Cerinda wrote:1- "Ethno-centric hate and spite" lol, I guess being against Israel is hate and spite. Also the founder Michel Aflaq was a communist, so no he wasn't a "fascist", unless you think communism and fascism are the same.

2- All Fascist states privatized the economy, just because early fascists were "no fan of privatization" doesn't mean anything. Also Ba'athism doesn't call for an ethno-state, it uses Pan-Arabism as a way for the Arab world to not be oppressed by foreign imperialists, non-Arabs can live peacefully in the state.

3- Nice dodge there, you would think if the Syrian government were fascist then they wouldn't be allies with communist states, because, you know? Fascism is anti communist.

It'... kinda not just Israel. I could pretend to understand if it was just Israel. I mean, it would still be hateful and spiteful as fuck, but it wouldn't be as bad as what it is in reality. Pan-Arabism, by its very nature, is against the very existence of non-Arabs in """""""""rightful""""""""" Arab territory. Depending on its veneer, the Ba'ath in particular is antisemitic and Anti-Persian too. Not "Anti-Israel and Anti-Iran" like apologists such as yourself like to pretend. Antisemitic (genocidally so) and Anti-Persian. The track record of the Ba'ath's treatment of non-Arabs in territories it held is also not very impressive. But that's still irrelevant, because it is a red herring in your pretense of apologia that is either borne of your lack of understanding of what the Ba'ath is or what the historical and modern geo-politics of MENA are like.

And fucking Please. Aflaq was famous for being "Critical" of both Capitalism and Communism. Kinda like every other collectivist-oriented third-positionist if you think about it.
To wit:
... The last tenet, 'socialism', did not mean socialism as it is defined in the West, but rather a unique form of Arab socialism. Aflaq coined the word Arab socialism for his variant of socialism. Socialism, in its original form in the Arab world had, according to Aflaq, first come into being under the rule of Muhammad. The point of Arab socialism was not to answer questions such as: how much state control was necessary, or economic equality; but instead Arab socialism was a system that freed the Arab people from oppression and enslavement, which in turn created independent individuals.

Aflaq opposed Marx's view that dialectical materialism was the only truth, but believed that the "importance of material economic conditions in life" was one of the greatest discoveries in modern history.[70] Even so, Aflaq was critical of both capitalism and communism, and did not want either of the two power blocs to collapse during the Cold War – believing that the Cold War was a sort of check and balance on their power.

Aflaq himself was no Communist or Marxist. He bore no love for collectivism as anything other than a means to "Better" the Arab Race. Just because the race is pretended to have been victim of Imperialism and muh oppression doesn't make the ideology any less fascistic.

And once again. People have the ability not to blind themselves with ideology when needs must. Especially when a tenant of the ideology in question is "We must make sure neither side collapses because that would be bad for us". For a fascist that realizes the fall of either Communism or Capitalism will mean the survivor will inevitably gun for his own posse, being allied with Communists (because, you know, their main enemies in the region were, at the time, generally aligned with the US) makes perfect sense. Just because you're a blind ideologue who can't diplomacy for shit doesn't mean the fucking politicians in charge of the Arab States were like that too.
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Postby Epicurustan » Sun May 19, 2019 11:14 am

Crysuko wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
As long as it remains isolated to their little corner of the world I wouldn't care.

how callous. "as long as it's not happening to me and mine, it doesn't matter"

Rawl's ''Veil of ignorance'' is not too popular it seems.
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Crysuko
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Postby Crysuko » Sun May 19, 2019 11:16 am

Epicurustan wrote:
Crysuko wrote:how callous. "as long as it's not happening to me and mine, it doesn't matter"

Rawl's ''Veil of ignorance'' is not too popular it seems.

is it such an alien concept to be troubled by the difficulties others are having? half the reason i'm a leftist is because i'm a sympathetic person by nature.
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Kelinfort wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

Cesopium wrote:Welp let's hope armies of 10 million don't just roam around and Soviet their way through everything.

Yugoslav Memes wrote:
Victoriala II wrote:Ur mom has value

one week ban for flaming xd

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Much better than the kulak smoothies. Their texture was suspiciously grainy.

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Epicurustan
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Postby Epicurustan » Sun May 19, 2019 11:21 am

Crysuko wrote:
Epicurustan wrote:Rawl's ''Veil of ignorance'' is not too popular it seems.

is it such an alien concept to be troubled by the difficulties others are having? half the reason i'm a leftist is because i'm a sympathetic person by nature.

Even if you're not sympathetic Rawls makes a good point. Naturally, society should be designed so that every person would have equal opportunities (or results depending how extreme you go) no matter race, sex or whatever variable. Reason is is that you, as an ego, would want the best for yourself and therefore minimize the maximum amount of distress you can be put in as a society.

The only flaw to this theory however is that - we already live in a society and people who have it good don't feel the need to overthink this. Which is completely logical in itself as well. Aside of that people who encounter other problems might not even think about the problems of others at all.

It's a privileged position to be able to think about other people's problems.
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Northern Davincia
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun May 19, 2019 4:04 pm

New yugoslavaia wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Socialism =/= Fascism. Are you going Ben Shapiro on us rn?


Arab normies DESTROYED with FACTS and LOGIC!

Care to play a game of horseshoes?
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Postby Pasong Tirad » Sun May 19, 2019 4:43 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
As long as it remains isolated to their little corner of the world I wouldn't care.

The Arab world is significantly larger than the United States (particularly if you exclude Alaska, which barely even exists) and has about 100 million more people. It's hardly a "little corner of the world" unless you'd also consider the entire US to be a little corner of the world.

What we should take from this is that Alaska doesn't exist. I knew it.

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Postby Kowani » Sun May 19, 2019 4:46 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Crysuko wrote:how callous. "as long as it's not happening to me and mine, it doesn't matter"


The overwhelming majority of the Muslim population worldwide supports Shariah law and other such things. Would you instead prefer western imperialism to go around and destroy the cultures and beliefs of the third world?

One only needs to surgically remove the troublesome parts.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun May 19, 2019 4:48 pm

Kowani wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The overwhelming majority of the Muslim population worldwide supports Shariah law and other such things. Would you instead prefer western imperialism to go around and destroy the cultures and beliefs of the third world?

One only needs to surgically remove the troublesome parts.

If you do not live in a nation that practices Shariah law, they are not troublesome parts to you.
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Postby Kowani » Sun May 19, 2019 4:51 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Kowani wrote:One only needs to surgically remove the troublesome parts.

If you do not live in a nation that practices Shariah law, they are not troublesome parts to you.

Ignoring immigration, globalized capitalism, instability in those regions…
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As a Canadian? I find Americans and their deep, deep distrust of the government to be fundamentally, critically, laughably flawed. I find some aspects of your country completely absurd. The distrust of anything remotely resembling authority is one. The gun problem that stems from that is another.

Seangoli wrote:You are spouting nonsensical drivel with no coherent thought, little logic, and at the end of it all just angry opining at the clouds based on a truly astonishly low level of knowledge or understanding of the subject matter.

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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun May 19, 2019 4:57 pm

Kowani wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:If you do not live in a nation that practices Shariah law, they are not troublesome parts to you.

Ignoring immigration, globalized capitalism, instability in those regions…

Shariah law predates global capitalism, modern levels of regional instability, and the outpouring of migrants. In theory, a nation can practice Shariah law and be stable, while also retaining its population.
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Postby Kowani » Sun May 19, 2019 4:59 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Kowani wrote:Ignoring immigration, globalized capitalism, instability in those regions…

Shariah law predates global capitalism, modern levels of regional instability, and the outpouring of migrants. In theory, a nation can practice Shariah law and be stable, while also retaining its population.

And yet it is affected by all of them, or rather, the spread of it is.
In theory. How’s that practice coming.
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Prydania wrote:
As a Canadian? I find Americans and their deep, deep distrust of the government to be fundamentally, critically, laughably flawed. I find some aspects of your country completely absurd. The distrust of anything remotely resembling authority is one. The gun problem that stems from that is another.

Seangoli wrote:You are spouting nonsensical drivel with no coherent thought, little logic, and at the end of it all just angry opining at the clouds based on a truly astonishly low level of knowledge or understanding of the subject matter.

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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun May 19, 2019 5:05 pm

Kowani wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Shariah law predates global capitalism, modern levels of regional instability, and the outpouring of migrants. In theory, a nation can practice Shariah law and be stable, while also retaining its population.

And yet it is affected by all of them, or rather, the spread of it is.
In theory. How’s that practice coming.

Egypt is doing relatively alright for itself.
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Postby Kowani » Sun May 19, 2019 5:06 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Kowani wrote:And yet it is affected by all of them, or rather, the spread of it is.
In theory. How’s that practice coming.

Egypt is doing relatively alright for itself.

A true success story, with one country.
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Prydania wrote:
As a Canadian? I find Americans and their deep, deep distrust of the government to be fundamentally, critically, laughably flawed. I find some aspects of your country completely absurd. The distrust of anything remotely resembling authority is one. The gun problem that stems from that is another.

Seangoli wrote:You are spouting nonsensical drivel with no coherent thought, little logic, and at the end of it all just angry opining at the clouds based on a truly astonishly low level of knowledge or understanding of the subject matter.

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Postby Cekoviu » Sun May 19, 2019 6:22 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Kowani wrote:And yet it is affected by all of them, or rather, the spread of it is.
In theory. How’s that practice coming.

Egypt is doing relatively alright for itself.

Egypt is pretty unstable and violent.
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Postby Pasong Tirad » Sun May 19, 2019 7:35 pm

Kowani wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Egypt is doing relatively alright for itself.

A true success story, with one country.

I don't know what your basis is for a success story but Egypt coming out of a revolution and then the revolution getting beat down by its own armed forces doesn't sound like it. Tunisia seems to have been doing a lot better.
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Anarchy

Postby Proctopeo » Sun May 19, 2019 7:37 pm

Pasong Tirad wrote:
Kowani wrote:A true success story, with one country.

I don't know what your basis is for a success story but Egypt coming out of a revolution and then the revolution getting beat down by its own armed forces doesn't sound like it. Tunisia seems to have been doing a lot better.

Tunisia seems to be the only North African country doing well for itself, and not screwing over its people in the process.
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Postby Kowani » Sun May 19, 2019 7:39 pm

Pasong Tirad wrote:
Kowani wrote:A true success story, with one country.

I don't know what your basis is for a success story but Egypt coming out of a revolution and then the revolution getting beat down by its own armed forces doesn't sound like it. Tunisia seems to have been doing a lot better.

Oh, I was being sarcastic.
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Post-Capitalist, Post-Nationalist.
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Prydania wrote:
As a Canadian? I find Americans and their deep, deep distrust of the government to be fundamentally, critically, laughably flawed. I find some aspects of your country completely absurd. The distrust of anything remotely resembling authority is one. The gun problem that stems from that is another.

Seangoli wrote:You are spouting nonsensical drivel with no coherent thought, little logic, and at the end of it all just angry opining at the clouds based on a truly astonishly low level of knowledge or understanding of the subject matter.

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