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Which Book on Leftist Ideology is Your Preferred Book?

The Communist Manifesto (Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels)
17
17%
The Conquest of Bread (Peter Kropotkin)
21
20%
Das Kapital (Karl Marx)
18
17%
What is Property? (Pierre-Joseph Proudhon)
2
2%
Guerilla Warfare (Che Guevara)
6
6%
Mutual Aid (Peter Kropotkin)
2
2%
Profit Over People (Noam Chomsky)
3
3%
The Ego and Its Own (Max Stirner)
7
7%
Debt: The First 5,000 Years (David Graeber)
3
3%
Other (Please Explain)
24
23%
 
Total votes : 103

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Communist Zombie Horde
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Postby Communist Zombie Horde » Sat May 18, 2019 9:46 am

New yugoslavaia wrote:
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:The us would need to help the. fix syria.

How about the US keeps it grubby not so little hands out of the middles east. They've already caused enough damage.

Evil American fascist imperialism always ruining our communist utopia!
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Postby Communist Zombie Horde » Sat May 18, 2019 9:46 am

Liriena wrote:
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:A rightist revolution

You already had that in Syria: the Islamist opposition and ISIS. And look how that turned out.

Well they were islamists.
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Postby Communal concils » Sat May 18, 2019 9:49 am

First American Empire wrote:
Communal concils wrote:Does anyone hope that Rojava gets reconquered by Syria.



No. I'm hoping that Syria gets conquered by Rojava.



So you want arabs to be oppressed again.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-syri ... SKCN1S40RD

I guess it's okay that the kurds can become economic manipulators, I guess it's okay for a historically oppress groups to oppress other people.
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Postby Liriena » Sat May 18, 2019 9:50 am

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:
New yugoslavaia wrote:How about the US keeps it grubby not so little hands out of the middles east. They've already caused enough damage.

Evil American fascist imperialism always ruining our communist utopia!

Mostly correct, yes.

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:
Liriena wrote:You already had that in Syria: the Islamist opposition and ISIS. And look how that turned out.

Well they were islamists.

Which is the Muslim equivalent of the Christian right. :)
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Postby Communal concils » Sat May 18, 2019 9:51 am

New yugoslavaia wrote:
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:The us would need to help the. fix syria.

How about the US keeps it grubby not so little hands out of the middles east. They've already caused enough damage.



I agree, the thirst for oil is already too much, and has cause a dangerous refugee crisis.
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Postby Communal concils » Sat May 18, 2019 9:53 am

Liriena wrote:
First American Empire wrote:

No. I'm hoping that Syria gets conquered by Rojava.

Stop, I can only get so erect!



So Rojava is rainbow land. It's a magical place in which everyone jumps around and hold hands in a meadow. apparently, it doesn't have any meaningful flaws, it's just candy land.
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Postby Liriena » Sat May 18, 2019 10:02 am

Communal concils wrote:
Liriena wrote:Stop, I can only get so erect!



So Rojava is rainbow land. It's a magical place in which everyone jumps around and hold hands in a meadow. apparently, it doesn't have any meaningful flaws, it's just candy land.

Strawmen are bad, yo.
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Political compass stuff:
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Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
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Postby New yugoslavaia » Sat May 18, 2019 10:11 am

Communal concils wrote:
New yugoslavaia wrote:How about the US keeps it grubby not so little hands out of the middles east. They've already caused enough damage.



I agree, the thirst for oil is already too much, and has cause a dangerous refugee crisis.


"But muh (((globalusts))!"
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Postby Communal concils » Sat May 18, 2019 10:16 am

Liriena wrote:
Communal concils wrote:

So Rojava is rainbow land. It's a magical place in which everyone jumps around and hold hands in a meadow. apparently, it doesn't have any meaningful flaws, it's just candy land.

Strawmen are bad, yo.



well, it is not a straw men. You obviously declared Rojava is a great society. yet, You seem to treat it as the best, greatest and wonderful fraction in Syria. So, I declare that many anarchist are living in a fantasy, a fantasy that this society matches 100% with their values.

Honestly, I don't see how imprisonment, and displacement are libertarian values.
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Postby Cekoviu » Sat May 18, 2019 10:16 am

Liriena wrote:
First American Empire wrote:

No. I'm hoping that Syria gets conquered by Rojava.

Stop, I can only get so erect!

Same and I'm a woman
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Postby Communal concils » Sat May 18, 2019 10:21 am

New yugoslavaia wrote:
Communal concils wrote:

I agree, the thirst for oil is already too much, and has cause a dangerous refugee crisis.


"But muh (((globalusts))!"

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Well, The refugee crisis is a bad thing. These people didn't want to go to the west. They were force to leave their homes because of wars, many of these middle eastern wars are cause by NATO.

When they reach the west, they suffer low wages and discrimination. Honestly, mass immigration is embraced by capitalist, because they can have workers for low wages and for free labor. They feed of tragedies, and disguise it as a noble act.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Sat May 18, 2019 10:24 am

First American Empire wrote:
Communal concils wrote:Does anyone hope that Rojava gets reconquered by Syria.



No. I'm hoping that Syria gets conquered by Rojava.

How about nobody conquers anyone and everyone calms down?
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Postby Cekoviu » Sat May 18, 2019 10:26 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
First American Empire wrote:

No. I'm hoping that Syria gets conquered by Rojava.

How about nobody conquers anyone and everyone calms down?

If only civilization operated that way.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Sat May 18, 2019 10:30 am

Cekoviu wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:How about nobody conquers anyone and everyone calms down?

If only civilization operated that way.

But all you need is love!
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Postby Cekoviu » Sat May 18, 2019 10:31 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:If only civilization operated that way.

But all you need is love!

Which I will never get. ;~;
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Sat May 18, 2019 10:34 am

Cekoviu wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:But all you need is love!

Which I will never get. ;~;

Don't say that. :hug:
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Postby Valrifell » Sat May 18, 2019 10:55 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
First American Empire wrote:

No. I'm hoping that Syria gets conquered by Rojava.

How about nobody conquers anyone and everyone calms down?


A de-facto partition of Syria or a federalized Syria (which is what Rojava wants), then?
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Postby First American Empire » Sat May 18, 2019 11:20 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
First American Empire wrote:

No. I'm hoping that Syria gets conquered by Rojava.

How about nobody conquers anyone and everyone calms down?


How about Rojava conquers everyone and Liriena makes even more Archer references.
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Postby North German Realm » Sat May 18, 2019 11:43 am

Proctopeo wrote:
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:Because they are bad and can’t do good things. There are no good factions in Syria.

counterpoint: give Syria to the Assyrians

I support that motion. Throw the Arabs out of Syria asap /s... kinda.
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Postby Cekoviu » Sat May 18, 2019 11:45 am

North German Realm wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:counterpoint: give Syria to the Assyrians

I support that motion. Throw the Arabs out of Syria asap /s... kinda.

I think the best option would be to send the Kurds to the moon, then the Assyrians and Arabs also to the moon. That would definitely fix problems with ethnic conflict between the three
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Postby North German Realm » Sat May 18, 2019 11:50 am

Cekoviu wrote:
North German Realm wrote:I support that motion. Throw the Arabs out of Syria asap /s... kinda.

I think the best option would be to send the Kurds to the moon, then the Assyrians and Arabs also to the moon. That would definitely fix problems with ethnic conflict between the three

You probably don't want to know my solution for solving all conflict in the Middle East.
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Postby Joohan » Sat May 18, 2019 11:50 am

First American Empire wrote:
Kowani wrote:…Not really? Once Christians became the dominant power within Rome, they treated the pagans about the same way they had been. In the medieval era, it was the papacy and the constant search for heretics that plunged the Church into blood. In the Age of Empire, well.
The idea that Christianity won out because of the correctness of its doctrine is ahistorical. Heck, the idea that for the majority of its time, Christianity was peaceful isn’t entirely true, either.


This. Christianity only won out because the Roman Empire forced its people to convert at swordpoint. (Which, as a Pagan, I am still really angry about.) Christianity can't maintain its position of religious dominance without coercion, and its decline in much of the world is proof of that.


… So the only reason for why over 2.3 billion people on this planet are Christian is because they are all being coerced to huh? Are you seriously trying to say that, the only reason why Christianity has prospered for the last 1500 years is because everyone's had a gun/sword to the back of their head the whole time?

You would be ignoring the fact that Christianity was already spreading across the Roman empire like wildfire as a repressed religion, even before Justinian declared it the state faith.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat May 18, 2019 12:07 pm

Joohan wrote:
First American Empire wrote:
This. Christianity only won out because the Roman Empire forced its people to convert at swordpoint. (Which, as a Pagan, I am still really angry about.) Christianity can't maintain its position of religious dominance without coercion, and its decline in much of the world is proof of that.


… So the only reason for why over 2.3 billion people on this planet are Christian is because they are all being coerced to huh? Are you seriously trying to say that, the only reason why Christianity has prospered for the last 1500 years is because everyone's had a gun/sword to the back of their head the whole time?

You would be ignoring the fact that Christianity was already spreading across the Roman empire like wildfire as a repressed religion, even before Justinian declared it the state faith.


Christianity was only followed by some 10% of the population by the time of Constantine and such fellows, and when it did gain power in the empire it had a tendency to go physically destroy other religions and their temples and such things. While I wouldn't say the religion only spread because of the sword as that would be incorrect brute force and destruction of other belief systems did play more than a small part.

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Postby Cekoviu » Sat May 18, 2019 12:47 pm

North German Realm wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:I think the best option would be to send the Kurds to the moon, then the Assyrians and Arabs also to the moon. That would definitely fix problems with ethnic conflict between the three

You probably don't want to know my solution for solving all conflict in the Middle East.

universal mandatory p a s h t o?
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Postby Asherahan » Sat May 18, 2019 12:56 pm

New yugoslavaia wrote:
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:The us would need to help the. fix syria.

How about the US keeps it grubby not so little hands out of the middles east. They've already caused enough damage.

The Middle East isn't the USA fault though they aren't helping by destabilizing regimes (hoping a pro USA regime takes over) even if they are dictatorial.

It is Britains fault.
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