LWDT 7: The Earth and Heavens Tremble.

[West Leas Oros 2]

A lot of political memeing on both sides is about trying to normalise radical and socially unacceptable ideas by getting people with low EQ who don't believe them to share them for you under the pretense of irony.

It's not just about low EQ. It's about wearing people down and making them view things in terms of an us and them demographic war. You can take someone perfectly able to empathize and so on, and just convince them not to empathize with a particular group.

Well sure, but there's no point talking about this if we have no solution. We need to think of a workable solution.

[Ostroeuropa]

It's not just about low EQ. It's about wearing people down and making them view things in terms of an us and them demographic war. You can take someone perfectly able to empathize and so on, and just convince them not to empathize with a particular group.

Well sure, but there's no point talking about this if we have no solution. We need to think of a workable solution.

Offer those groups something better.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

Well sure, but there's no point talking about this if we have no solution. We need to think of a workable solution.

Offer those groups something better.

Thank you for your sagacity, Ostro, but what exactly are you asking us to say?

[West Leas Oros 2]

Well sure, but there's no point talking about this if we have no solution. We need to think of a workable solution.

Offer those groups something better.

That's.... vague

[Cekoviu]

Offer those groups something better.

That's.... vague

Concrete solution: offer them concrete

[West Leas Oros 2]

That's.... vague

Concrete solution: offer them concrete

Offer who concrete? Why? And how?

[Joohan]

socialism is cool and all but can we talk about the social-monarchist sortition system that ensures freedoms of citizens and stability in life along with emphasizing civic duty in all citizens through monarchist tradition and culture synthesizing with random selection of citizens to fulfill civic roles

Welcome to the 3rd position. Here is your picture frame of Chiang Kai-shek - I'll be your guide

[Pasong Tirad]

Concrete solution: offer them concrete

Offer who concrete? Why? And how?

Many people living in flood prone areas of the world still live in rickety wooden houses. Concrete is stronk, and more resistant to floods. Offer them concrete and they will give you their lives.

[Cekoviu]

Concrete solution: offer them concrete

Offer who concrete? Why? And how?

The people who are targeted by leftists. Because people like concrete. By bringing mixers to their houses.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

socialism is cool and all but can we talk about the social-monarchist sortition system that ensures freedoms of citizens and stability in life along with emphasizing civic duty in all citizens through monarchist tradition and culture synthesizing with random selection of citizens to fulfill civic roles

Welcome to the 3rd position. Here is your picture frame of Chiang Kai-shek - I'll be your guide

Chiang Kai Shek is the face of 3rd positionism now?

[Nakena]

Welcome to the 3rd position. Here is your picture frame of Chiang Kai-shek - I'll be your guide

Chiang Kai Shek is the face of 3rd positionism now?

He was cool though.

But 3rd Positionist? Nah.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Chiang Kai Shek is the face of 3rd positionism now?

He was cool though.

But 3rd Positionist? Nah.

Wasn't he pretty incompetent and didn't he violently suppress his opposition in the Shanghai massacre?

[West Leas Oros 2]

Offer who concrete? Why? And how?

The people who are targeted by leftists. Because people like concrete. By bringing mixers to their houses.

Except that no one is really being targeted by leftists, only those claiming to be.

[Ostroeuropa]

Offer those groups something better.

Thank you for your sagacity, Ostro, but what exactly are you asking us to say?

Offer those groups something better.

That's.... vague

Drop the oppessor-oppressed critical theory shite and take on board their demographic issues as well as their class issues.

[Petrolheadia]

Anyone who tries to act as a cultural gatekeeper or elitist for nonconformist clout, regardless of the artform, is doing art a disservice.

Not to mention the fact that this idea that "good" art is the arcane, carefully cultivated and exclusive art, while popular art, the art of the masses, is "bad" art, is pure liberalism (more specifically, classical bourgeois liberalism).

The art of the masses can be for the people, not just the liberal bourgeoisie. It just isn’t.

Why "isn't"?

[Cekoviu]

The people who are targeted by leftists. Because people like concrete. By bringing mixers to their houses.

Except that no one is really being targeted by leftists, only those claiming to be.

Like you?

[Hanafuridake]

I honestly have a hard time taking people who point to contemporary music as proof of cultural decay seriously, even if they claim to do so from a left-wing anti-capitalist perspective. Contemporary music does exist within a capitalist mode of production and that absolutely affects the entire art, but that does not mean that the art as a whole is becoming mediocre or that contemporary artists are all just alienated workers with no genuine creativity. And I find it quite difficult to believe that the people who make such claims have even attempted to actually delve into contemporary music, instead of just acting like medievalist hipsters and dismissing the entirety of it because it's what the cool, rad kids do.

^ This.

I love classical and medieval art quite a lot (my sig should tell you that) but dismissing modern art is extremely silly and elitist for no real reason.

[Torrocca]

I honestly have a hard time taking people who point to contemporary music as proof of cultural decay seriously, even if they claim to do so from a left-wing anti-capitalist perspective. Contemporary music does exist within a capitalist mode of production and that absolutely affects the entire art, but that does not mean that the art as a whole is becoming mediocre or that contemporary artists are all just alienated workers with no genuine creativity. And I find it quite difficult to believe that the people who make such claims have even attempted to actually delve into contemporary music, instead of just acting like medievalist hipsters and dismissing the entirety of it because it's what the cool, rad kids do.

^ This.

I love classical and medieval art quite a lot (my sig should tell you that) but dismissing modern art is extremely silly and elitist for no real reason.

The only true form of art is medieval frescos depicting knightly rabbits riding on man-snail steeds tbqh.

[Liriena]

^ This.

I love classical and medieval art quite a lot (my sig should tell you that) but dismissing modern art is extremely silly and elitist for no real reason.

The only true form of art is medieval frescos depicting knightly rabbits riding on man-snail steeds tbqh.

This was the peak of human art, and everything since then has been nothing but degeneracy.

[Hanafuridake]

The only true form of art is medieval frescos depicting knightly rabbits riding on man-snail steeds tbqh.

This was the peak of human art, and everything since then has been nothing but degeneracy.

What if I told you there was a book in ancient Greece that was literally the Iliad but with frogs and mice?

[Liriena]

This was the peak of human art, and everything since then has been nothing but degeneracy.

What if I told you there was a book in ancient Greece that was literally the Iliad but with frogs and mice?

And here I am, wasting my days reading Alan Moore, when I could be reading that. ;_;

[West Leas Oros 2]

Except that no one is really being targeted by leftists, only those claiming to be.

Like you?

You're a fucking social democrat and yet i'm not a "real leftist"?

[West Leas Oros 2]

Thank you for your sagacity, Ostro, but what exactly are you asking us to say?

That's.... vague

Drop the oppessor-oppressed critical theory shite and take on board their demographic issues as well as their class issues.

Except that the oppressor oppressed dynamic is necessary to to tackle class issues...?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Drop the oppessor-oppressed critical theory shite and take on board their demographic issues as well as their class issues.

Except that the oppressor oppressed dynamic is necessary to to tackle class issues...?

Not inherently.

[West Leas Oros 2]

Except that the oppressor oppressed dynamic is necessary to to tackle class issues...?

Not inherently.

Except that the dynamic was literally created to describe class struggle.