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Posted: **Mon May 13, 2019 7:19 am**

Duhon wrote:
Liriena wrote:Something kind of completely unrelated... but I've been feeling a bit haunted by the frenworld phenomenon and its rather unfortunate politics. It's made me realize just how good far right demagogues have been at exploiting people on the autism spectrum and turning their neurodivergence into a political sword and shield. They've cultivated this environment where vulnerable people get eased into playfully embracing some pretty horrid and false ideas, and then framing criticism towards the expression of those ideas as abuse towards infantilized neurodivergent people.

Maybe it's time leftists play that game as well?

>implying they haven't already been
lol

Posted: **Mon May 13, 2019 9:02 am**

Liriena wrote:Something kind of completely unrelated... but I've been feeling a bit haunted by the frenworld phenomenon and its rather unfortunate politics. It's made me realize just how good far right demagogues have been at exploiting people on the autism spectrum and turning their neurodivergence into a political sword and shield. They've cultivated this environment where vulnerable people get eased into playfully embracing some pretty horrid and false ideas, and then framing criticism towards the expression of those ideas as abuse towards infantilized neurodivergent people.

It's not people on a particular spectrum, but the disenfranchised in general they are recruiting, hence the Nazi Furry push and the rise of the far right, given that the largest bloc of disenfranchised folk are the white working class and males.

Autism tends toward making you marginalized by society. If White or Male you are already primed by the treatment you have received from the left toward disliking them, but due to the collapse of any kind of faith in right wing economics and disdain for religiosity among younger folk, might not go full conservative. that's where the far-right comes in.

Posted: **Mon May 13, 2019 9:18 am**

Proctopeo wrote:
Duhon wrote:
Maybe it's time leftists play that game as well?

>implying they haven't already been
lol

A lot of political memeing on both sides is about trying to normalise radical and socially unacceptable ideas by getting people with low EQ who don't believe them to share them for you under the pretense of irony.

Posted: **Mon May 13, 2019 10:38 am**

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Liriena wrote:Something kind of completely unrelated... but I've been feeling a bit haunted by the frenworld phenomenon and its rather unfortunate politics. It's made me realize just how good far right demagogues have been at exploiting people on the autism spectrum and turning their neurodivergence into a political sword and shield. They've cultivated this environment where vulnerable people get eased into playfully embracing some pretty horrid and false ideas, and then framing criticism towards the expression of those ideas as abuse towards infantilized neurodivergent people.

It's not people on a particular spectrum, but the disenfranchised in general they are recruiting, hence the Nazi Furry push and the rise of the far right, given that the largest bloc of disenfranchised folk are the white working class and males.

Autism tends toward making you marginalized by society. If White or Male you are already primed by the treatment you have received from the left toward disliking them, but due to the collapse of any kind of faith in right wing economics and disdain for religiosity among younger folk, might not go full conservative. that's where the far-right comes in.

Gawd, yeah, almost forgot about nazi furries. Now I'm even sadder.

Posted: **Mon May 13, 2019 10:47 am**

Dumb Ideologies wrote:But the political choice we're being given with the Brexit/Remain struggle in the UK leaves me honestly baffled with which side is the lesser evil.

Our debate seems to be a choice between:

1) Remain, eurofederalism, deepening of current processes, try and stop the "red tape" hampering trade i.e. more free trade deals
2) Free-trade Brexit, unilateral dropping of tariffs with the non-EU world, shift towards non-European immigration

I tend to see choice 1 as the lesser evil, at least with regards to trade. As flawed as it is, the EU at least has more protections for workers, the environment, and human rights than many non-EU countries do. Of course, there are a few exceptions like Canada or Japan, but for the most part the situation is pretty bleak.

Posted: **Mon May 13, 2019 11:00 am**

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Duhon wrote:Ignore the referendum. It's a pile of shit. Dot.

That's not how democracy works.

The British system of government is not a pure direct democracy, though, so your criticism is invalid. Sovereignty is vested in the queen and parliament, not in popular referendums.

Posted: **Mon May 13, 2019 11:01 am**

Asherahan wrote:
Duhon wrote:
EU with a less frankly authoritarian eastern Europe, Putin-less Russia, and Turkey minus Erdogan in, yay.

The EU should either fuck off and die or Become a Federated Union.

I have no middle ground opinion on the EU.

Other than the Eurocrats in Brussels; nobody does.

Posted: **Mon May 13, 2019 11:03 am**

Asherahan wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:I just have one question. Hasn't a Brexit already been decided? Yeah, you could do a second referendum but why would you? And you can't just ignore a democratic vote. I mean, technically they could ignore a non-binding referendum, but... I don't want them to.

Lol you totally can in my country Greece we did a referendum and we voted with a majority of 63% that the EU Austerity suck ass and should not be implement as the EU demands and guess how that turned out?

The only thing more unpopular than that, was Tsipras' "FYROM Name Deal".

Posted: **Mon May 13, 2019 11:13 am**

Nea Byzantia wrote:
Asherahan wrote:The EU should either fuck off and die or Become a Federated Union.

I have no middle ground opinion on the EU.

Other than the Eurocrats in Brussels; nobody does.

What makes you think that? Personally I find myself rather uncomfortable with both extremes.

Posted: **Mon May 13, 2019 11:14 am**

Bienenhalde wrote:
Nea Byzantia wrote:Other than the Eurocrats in Brussels; nobody does.

What makes you think that? Personally I find myself rather uncomfortable with both extremes.

So you're totally ambivalent towards the EU?

Posted: **Mon May 13, 2019 11:16 am**

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:>implying they haven't already been
lol

A lot of political memeing on both sides is about trying to normalise radical and socially unacceptable ideas by getting people with low EQ who don't believe them to share them for you under the pretense of irony.

It's not just about low EQ. It's about wearing people down and making them view things in terms of an us and them demographic war. You can take someone perfectly able to empathize and so on, and just convince them not to empathize with a particular group.

Posted: **Mon May 13, 2019 11:17 am**

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:
A lot of political memeing on both sides is about trying to normalise radical and socially unacceptable ideas by getting people with low EQ who don't believe them to share them for you under the pretense of irony.

It's not just about low EQ. It's about wearing people down and making them view things in terms of an us and them demographic war. You can take someone perfectly able to empathize and so on, and just convince them not to empathize with a particular group.

Like with you and the f-ists

Posted: **Mon May 13, 2019 11:21 am**

socialism is cool and all but can we talk about the social-monarchist sortition system that ensures freedoms of citizens and stability in life along with emphasizing civic duty in all citizens through monarchist tradition and culture synthesizing with random selection of citizens to fulfill civic roles

Posted: **Mon May 13, 2019 11:22 am**

Vyluria-Aseko wrote:socialism is cool and all but can we talk about the social-monarchist sortition system that ensures freedoms of citizens and stability in life along with emphasizing civic duty in all citizens through monarchist tradition and culture synthesizing with random selection of citizens to fulfill civic roles

You might as well just go full Confucianism.

Posted: **Mon May 13, 2019 11:39 am**

Oh good lord... We provincial elections in one of our major provinces yesterday and, for the seventh time in a row, the neoliberals of Cambiemos got absolutely thrashed by the Peronists. It's happening. It's really happening. A huge, extreme happening is happening.

[electro-Peronist music blares in the background]

Posted: **Mon May 13, 2019 11:46 am**

Nea Byzantia wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:What makes you think that? Personally I find myself rather uncomfortable with both extremes.

So you're totally ambivalent towards the EU?

Well, I would say I am more in favor of the EU than against, but I do not think it should become too centralized.

Posted: **Mon May 13, 2019 11:47 am**

Bienenhalde wrote:
Nea Byzantia wrote:So you're totally ambivalent towards the EU?

Well, I would say I am more in favor of the EU than against, but I do not think it should become too centralized.

So you're not ambivalent towards it...You're favourable.

Posted: **Mon May 13, 2019 1:00 pm**

Liriena wrote:Oh good lord... We provincial elections in one of our major provinces yesterday and, for the seventh time in a row, the neoliberals of Cambiemos got absolutely thrashed by the Peronists. It's happening. It's really happening. A huge, extreme happening is happening.

[electro-Peronist music blares in the background]

... oh, right, your least worst leader's Peron.

Allow me a moment with the wastebasket.

Posted: **Mon May 13, 2019 1:08 pm**

Duhon wrote:
Liriena wrote:Oh good lord... We provincial elections in one of our major provinces yesterday and, for the seventh time in a row, the neoliberals of Cambiemos got absolutely thrashed by the Peronists. It's happening. It's really happening. A huge, extreme happening is happening.

[electro-Peronist music blares in the background]

... oh, right, your least worst leader's Peron.

Allow me a moment with the wastebasket.

Tbh, we did have at least one unequivocally good president: Arturo Umberto Illia.

He lasted less than three years ;_;

Posted: **Mon May 13, 2019 1:08 pm**

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Duhon wrote:Ignore the referendum. It's a pile of shit. Dot.

That's not how democracy works.

On the one hand, you've got a Britain clinging on for dear life to every last handrail, lamppost, and security blanket on its halting hesitating way to what would surely be an enervating debilitating Brexit. On the other hand, you got the expense of another referendum. On the other, other hand, the premise of the first one was already flawed.

There is no reason not to unilaterally repudiate a referendum Westminter is not bound to implement and will be disastrous politically, economically, socioculturally, if ever implemented.

Posted: **Mon May 13, 2019 1:12 pm**

Vyluria-Aseko wrote:socialism is cool and all but can we talk about the social-monarchist sortition system that ensures freedoms of citizens and stability in life along with emphasizing civic duty in all citizens through monarchist tradition and culture synthesizing with random selection of citizens to fulfill civic roles

Long in abstracts, short in flesh. Dress shit up a bit.

Posted: **Mon May 13, 2019 6:39 pm**

Vyluria-Aseko wrote:socialism is cool and all but can we talk about the social-monarchist sortition system that ensures freedoms of citizens and stability in life along with emphasizing civic duty in all citizens through monarchist tradition and culture synthesizing with random selection of citizens to fulfill civic roles

I'm more a fan of liberal capitalist democracy where the state doesn't force anyone into any civic roles.

Posted: **Mon May 13, 2019 6:47 pm**

Liriena wrote:Oh good lord... We provincial elections in one of our major provinces yesterday and, for the seventh time in a row, the neoliberals of Cambiemos got absolutely thrashed by the Peronists. It's happening. It's really happening. A huge, extreme happening is happening.

[electro-Peronist music blares in the background]

Posted: **Tue May 14, 2019 5:22 am**

Vyluria-Aseko wrote:socialism is cool and all but can we talk about the social-monarchist sortition system that ensures freedoms of citizens and stability in life along with emphasizing civic duty in all citizens through monarchist tradition and culture synthesizing with random selection of citizens to fulfill civic roles

That is certainly a word salad you've tossed, there.

Posted: **Tue May 14, 2019 5:26 am**

Grenartia wrote:
Vyluria-Aseko wrote:socialism is cool and all but can we talk about the social-monarchist sortition system that ensures freedoms of citizens and stability in life along with emphasizing civic duty in all citizens through monarchist tradition and culture synthesizing with random selection of citizens to fulfill civic roles

That is certainly a word salad you've tossed, there.

Lack of punctuation marks don't make a word salad, now.

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