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LWDT 7: The Earth and Heavens Tremble.

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Which Book on Leftist Ideology is Your Preferred Book?

The Communist Manifesto (Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels)
23
18%
The Conquest of Bread (Peter Kropotkin)
24
19%
Das Kapital (Karl Marx)
21
16%
What is Property? (Pierre-Joseph Proudhon)
2
2%
Guerilla Warfare (Che Guevara)
8
6%
Mutual Aid (Peter Kropotkin)
2
2%
Profit Over People (Noam Chomsky)
4
3%
The Ego and Its Own (Max Stirner)
8
6%
Debt: The First 5,000 Years (David Graeber)
5
4%
Other (Please Explain)
32
25%
 
Total votes : 129

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Kowani
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 15251
Founded: Apr 01, 2018
Democratic Socialists

Postby Kowani » Fri Aug 16, 2019 6:37 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Kowani wrote:Compelling.


Likewise.

Well, Xeno knows my views on freedom. I see no reason to bore her explaining everything again.
Narcissistic (Hedonistic) Nihilist. Yes, I am edgy. I know.
Atheist and still proud of it.
Post-Capitalist, Post-Nationalist.
Rights are functionally just privileges society has deemed important.
Prydania wrote:
As a Canadian? I find Americans and their deep, deep distrust of the government to be fundamentally, critically, laughably flawed. I find some aspects of your country completely absurd. The distrust of anything remotely resembling authority is one. The gun problem that stems from that is another.

Seangoli wrote:You are spouting nonsensical drivel with no coherent thought, little logic, and at the end of it all just angry opining at the clouds based on a truly astonishly low level of knowledge or understanding of the subject matter.

0% Capitalism

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Torrocca
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 25404
Founded: Dec 01, 2011
Democratic Socialists

Postby Torrocca » Fri Aug 16, 2019 6:37 pm

Kowani wrote:
Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:I vote Kowani

Noppetty nope nope.


Torrocca wrote:
I also vote Kowani o/

Not happening.


Ah, shit, our next OP's not accepting the outcome of our spontaneous electoral system of governance. It's time for a revolution against this blatant display of tyranny!
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I am Her Majesty, Torra I, of the House Anarkittismo, NS's self-anointed Anarcho-Monarchist Queen. Now known as God-Empress Torra.
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Capital - Karl Marx and Frederich Engels
Wage Labor and Capital - Karl Marx
The Conquest of Bread - Peter Kropotkin
Mutual Aid - Peter Kropotkin
Statism and Anarchy - Mikhail Bakunin

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New haven america
Post Czar
 
Posts: 32099
Founded: Oct 08, 2012
Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby New haven america » Fri Aug 16, 2019 6:37 pm

I vote for Kowani.
Human of the male variety
Will accept TGs
Char/Axis 2020

That's all folks~

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Kowani
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 15251
Founded: Apr 01, 2018
Democratic Socialists

Postby Kowani » Fri Aug 16, 2019 6:38 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Kowani wrote:Noppetty nope nope.



Not happening.


Ah, shit, our next OP's not accepting the outcome of our spontaneous electoral system of governance. It's time for a revolution against this blatant display of tyranny!

If I’m doing it, nobody complain about how absolutely crappy it turns out.
Narcissistic (Hedonistic) Nihilist. Yes, I am edgy. I know.
Atheist and still proud of it.
Post-Capitalist, Post-Nationalist.
Rights are functionally just privileges society has deemed important.
Prydania wrote:
As a Canadian? I find Americans and their deep, deep distrust of the government to be fundamentally, critically, laughably flawed. I find some aspects of your country completely absurd. The distrust of anything remotely resembling authority is one. The gun problem that stems from that is another.

Seangoli wrote:You are spouting nonsensical drivel with no coherent thought, little logic, and at the end of it all just angry opining at the clouds based on a truly astonishly low level of knowledge or understanding of the subject matter.

0% Capitalism

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LiberNovusAmericae
Negotiator
 
Posts: 5228
Founded: Mar 10, 2018
Left-Leaning College State

Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Aug 16, 2019 6:38 pm

Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Not in my case. I said "humanly and reasonably possible," I don't think having a system run by megadoners is reasonable. It is just legalized corruption.

What if I were to shift my definition of "reasonable" further south, so to speak? Would that be, in your mind, acceptable?

I don't know what you view as reasonable. Maybe or maybe not. Either way, I don't support megadoners controlling politics and I support restrictions on donations as a result, and if my language is imprecise, I'll fix it.
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Rights are what the people are willing to fight for.

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Chernoslavia
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 8381
Founded: Jun 13, 2011
Corporate Bordello

Postby Chernoslavia » Fri Aug 16, 2019 6:39 pm

Kowani wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
Likewise.

Well, Xeno knows my views on freedom. I see no reason to bore her explaining everything again.

Who..?
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

- Alexander Solzhenitsyn

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New haven america
Post Czar
 
Posts: 32099
Founded: Oct 08, 2012
Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby New haven america » Fri Aug 16, 2019 6:40 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:What if I were to shift my definition of "reasonable" further south, so to speak? Would that be, in your mind, acceptable?

I don't know what you view as reasonable. Maybe or maybe not. Either way, I don't support megadoners controlling politics and I support restrictions on donations as a result, and if my language is imprecise, I'll fix it.

Why?

They're not controlling politics, they're simply spending their money as they please, as private citizens are allowed to do.
Human of the male variety
Will accept TGs
Char/Axis 2020

That's all folks~

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Kowani
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 15251
Founded: Apr 01, 2018
Democratic Socialists

Postby Kowani » Fri Aug 16, 2019 6:41 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Kowani wrote:Well, Xeno knows my views on freedom. I see no reason to bore her explaining everything again.

Who..?

…Actually, that should say Jean Paul Sartre. My bad.

But the point remains.
Narcissistic (Hedonistic) Nihilist. Yes, I am edgy. I know.
Atheist and still proud of it.
Post-Capitalist, Post-Nationalist.
Rights are functionally just privileges society has deemed important.
Prydania wrote:
As a Canadian? I find Americans and their deep, deep distrust of the government to be fundamentally, critically, laughably flawed. I find some aspects of your country completely absurd. The distrust of anything remotely resembling authority is one. The gun problem that stems from that is another.

Seangoli wrote:You are spouting nonsensical drivel with no coherent thought, little logic, and at the end of it all just angry opining at the clouds based on a truly astonishly low level of knowledge or understanding of the subject matter.

0% Capitalism

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LiberNovusAmericae
Negotiator
 
Posts: 5228
Founded: Mar 10, 2018
Left-Leaning College State

Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Aug 16, 2019 6:41 pm

Kowani wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Ah, shit, our next OP's not accepting the outcome of our spontaneous electoral system of governance. It's time for a revolution against this blatant display of tyranny!

If I’m doing it, nobody complain about how absolutely crappy it turns out.

I'm thinking of quoting Torrocca into a new thread OP as a temp OP, and editing out the finer points of a new OP later. Assuming no one else wants to be OP.
Nova Cyberia wrote:Thank you. I appreciate your respect for my low opinion of you.
Click here.

Rights are what the people are willing to fight for.

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Jean-Paul Sartre
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1454
Founded: Jun 26, 2019
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Jean-Paul Sartre » Fri Aug 16, 2019 6:42 pm

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=470883

Suggestions for the OP title/poll/whatever are welcome there. I'm also comfortable with the OP being transferred to someone else.
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Politicscales
American exceptionalism, secularism, education, meritocracy in government, the electoral college, elitism, hierarchy, progressive income tax, universal health care, strong borders, GSRM rights, Stoicism, Existentialism
Islam, religion in general, the current state of American democracy, democracy without significant regulation, the free market, the popular vote for president, violence, revolution, hedonism, post-modernism
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Pacomia
Senator
 
Posts: 4077
Founded: May 23, 2019
New York Times Democracy

Postby Pacomia » Fri Aug 16, 2019 6:49 pm

Goodnight thread.
This nation is based on (a slightly more extreme version of) my IRL opinions, and I answer issues accordingly.
Current accidental policies: Capitalism, No Internet, No Sex
Results of political various tests I took meme
Liriena wrote:anyone to the left of Pinochet: *exists*

right-wingers: wat about vuvuzelaaa lmao gottem
Both the far left and far right are equally insane.
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Chernoslavia
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 8381
Founded: Jun 13, 2011
Corporate Bordello

Postby Chernoslavia » Fri Aug 16, 2019 6:51 pm

Kowani wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:Who..?

…Actually, that should say Jean Paul Sartre. My bad.

But the point remains.


Ah ok but nah I don't really care to debate anything that much today, it's Friday so I'm just having some Jack tonite.
Last edited by Chernoslavia on Fri Aug 16, 2019 6:51 pm, edited 1 time in total.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

- Alexander Solzhenitsyn

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Newark Aristocracy
Diplomat
 
Posts: 728
Founded: Nov 10, 2018
New York Times Democracy

Postby Newark Aristocracy » Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:34 pm

Almost Heaven,West Virginia.
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