LWDT 7: The Earth and Heavens Tremble.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

How? How does freedom corrupt the government? From what I can tell, it tends to be unfree nations that have the most corrupt governments, such as North Korea.

Freedom to fund certain public officials, for one. That's kind of the definition of corruption. Additionally, lack of restrictions on corporations led to the rise of political machines in places like NYC during the Gilded Age. It is in the light of restrictions on those freedoms that prosperity emerged.

It doesn't contradict my view of freedom to restrict money from entering the political process.

[Pacomia]

500th page!

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

Freedom to fund certain public officials, for one. That's kind of the definition of corruption. Additionally, lack of restrictions on corporations led to the rise of political machines in places like NYC during the Gilded Age. It is in the light of restrictions on those freedoms that prosperity emerged.

It doesn't contradict my view of freedom to restrict money from entering the political process.

It does make the government more corrupt, though.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Page 500!

[Pacomia]

It doesn't contradict my view of freedom to restrict money from entering the political process.

It does make the government more corrupt, though.

Not as corrupt as most more unfree nations.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

It doesn't contradict my view of freedom to restrict money from entering the political process.

It does make the government more corrupt, though.

No, I said, restricting money from being donated to public officials does not contradict my view of freedom.

[Torrocca]

Eyy, we finally hit page 500.

[Kowani]

Page 500!

Yay.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

It does make the government more corrupt, though.

Not as corrupt as most more unfree nations.

Indeed.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Page 500!

Yay.

You should be the next OP.

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

It does make the government more corrupt, though.

No, I said, restricting money from being donated to public officials does not contradict my view of freedom.

Ah, okay. Then I'd say that we have different definitions, perhaps, of freedom.

[Chernoslavia]

It's because their ideology is pointless. "Muh Freedom"

But why freedom?

Freedom is of no inherent value.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

No, I said, restricting money from being donated to public officials does not contradict my view of freedom.

Ah, okay. Then I'd say that we have different definitions, perhaps, of freedom.

Mine is personal and economic autonomy as much as humanly and reasonably possible. I just have a more anti-corruption attitude to politics, as I know megadoners create a system of cronyism.

[Kowani]

Yay.

You should be the next OP.

By Satan, no! lol2:

Freedom is of no inherent value.

Compelling.

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

Ah, okay. Then I'd say that we have different definitions, perhaps, of freedom.

Mine is personal and economic autonomy as much as humanly and reasonably possible. I just have a more anti-corruption attitude to politics, as I know megadoners create a system of cronyism.

Doesn't that "as much as possible" run into your opinion on money in politics?

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

So who's the OP of LWDT VIII?

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

So who's the OP of LWDT VIII?

I vote Kowani

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Mine is personal and economic autonomy as much as humanly and reasonably possible. I just have a more anti-corruption attitude to politics, as I know megadoners create a system of cronyism.

Doesn't that "as much as possible" run into your opinion on money in politics?

Not in my case. I said "humanly and reasonably possible," I don't think having a system run by megadoners is reasonable. It is just legalized corruption.

[Chernoslavia]

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Compelling.[/quote]

Likewise.

[New haven america]

Ah, okay. Then I'd say that we have different definitions, perhaps, of freedom.

Mine is personal and economic autonomy as much as humanly and reasonably possible. I just have a more anti-corruption attitude to politics, as I know megadoners create a system of cronyism.

That's an oxymoron.

You can't have total economic autonomy while also disallowing politicians from getting funded by megadonors. They're spending and making money how they choose to.

[Torrocca]

So who's the OP of LWDT VIII?

I vote Kowani

I also vote Kowani o/

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

Doesn't that "as much as possible" run into your opinion on money in politics?

Not in my case. I said "humanly and reasonably possible," I don't think having a system run by megadoners is reasonable. It is just legalized corruption.

What if I were to shift my definition of "reasonable" further south, so to speak? Would that be, in your mind, acceptable?

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Mine is personal and economic autonomy as much as humanly and reasonably possible. I just have a more anti-corruption attitude to politics, as I know megadoners create a system of cronyism.

That's an oxymoron.

You can't have total economic autonomy while also disallowing politicians from getting funded by megadonors. They're spending and making money how they choose to.

Alright, that is one of my only restrictions on economic autonomy. Sue me for using imperfect language.

[Kowani]

So who's the OP of LWDT VIII?

I vote Kowani

Noppetty nope nope.

I vote Kowani

I also vote Kowani o/

Not happening.

[New haven america]

That's an oxymoron.

You can't have total economic autonomy while also disallowing politicians from getting funded by megadonors. They're spending and making money how they choose to.

Alright, that is one of my only restrictions on economic autonomy. Sue me for using imperfect language.

I will.