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Which Book on Leftist Ideology is Your Preferred Book?

The Communist Manifesto (Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels)
23
18%
The Conquest of Bread (Peter Kropotkin)
24
19%
Das Kapital (Karl Marx)
21
16%
What is Property? (Pierre-Joseph Proudhon)
2
2%
Guerilla Warfare (Che Guevara)
8
6%
Mutual Aid (Peter Kropotkin)
2
2%
Profit Over People (Noam Chomsky)
4
3%
The Ego and Its Own (Max Stirner)
8
6%
Debt: The First 5,000 Years (David Graeber)
5
4%
Other (Please Explain)
32
25%
 
Total votes : 129

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Ostroeuropa
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Fri Aug 16, 2019 9:57 am

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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Cekoviu » Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:12 am

Crysuko wrote:
North German Realm wrote:I'd say holding a poll over it is probably the smarter idea, but honestly I doubt we can reach an accord in the next, what, 4-5 pages?

It'd just end up being an ego thing.

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LiberNovusAmericae
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:18 am

Crysuko wrote:
North German Realm wrote:One keeps popping up every now and then. For some reason, it never tends to stick around for long.

centrists have conviction in their lack of convictions

No, they have convictions. It's that they don't view themselves as left or right.
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LiberNovusAmericae
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Left-Leaning College State

Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:18 am

"Down with Dissent" would be a good title for the authoritarians that post here.
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Call me Liber or LNA for short so there is no confusion between me and others with similar names.
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Crysuko
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Left-Leaning College State

Postby Crysuko » Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:20 am

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:"Down with Dissent" would be a good title for the authoritarians that post here.

I don't think anyone who frequents this thread would unironically call themself as such
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Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

Cesopium wrote:Welp let's hope armies of 10 million don't just roam around and Soviet their way through everything.

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LiberNovusAmericae
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:21 am

Crysuko wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:"Down with Dissent" would be a good title for the authoritarians that post here.

I don't think anyone who frequents this thread would unironically call themself as such

I know.
Nova Cyberia wrote:Thank you. I appreciate your respect for my low opinion of you.
Call me Liber or LNA for short so there is no confusion between me and others with similar names.
Not to be confused with Novus America. We are different people with very different political opinions.
Solidarity with the Hong Kong People! Down with the CCP!

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LiberNovusAmericae
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:23 am

I think it is funny when everyone here views me as right wing, while many people in the RWDT view me as a left winger.
Nova Cyberia wrote:Thank you. I appreciate your respect for my low opinion of you.
Call me Liber or LNA for short so there is no confusion between me and others with similar names.
Not to be confused with Novus America. We are different people with very different political opinions.
Solidarity with the Hong Kong People! Down with the CCP!

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Crysuko
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Left-Leaning College State

Postby Crysuko » Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:24 am

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:I think it is funny when everyone here views me as right wing, while many people in the RWDT view me as a left winger.

[Citation needed]
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Xilonite wrote: cookies are heresy.

Kelinfort wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

Cesopium wrote:Welp let's hope armies of 10 million don't just roam around and Soviet their way through everything.

Yugoslav Memes wrote:
Victoriala II wrote:Ur mom has value

one week ban for flaming xd

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Much better than the kulak smoothies. Their texture was suspiciously grainy.

Syndicalist, vehement anti-fascist.
I USE Qs INSTEAD OF Qs

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LiberNovusAmericae
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:48 am

Crysuko wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:I think it is funny when everyone here views me as right wing, while many people in the RWDT view me as a left winger.

[Citation needed]

I see no reason to trawl through over 500 pages of posts just to show that some right-wingers particularly of the more reactionary variety think that right-libertarianism is a form of liberalism, and thus a moderate form of left-wing politics.

viewtopic.php?p=36028820#p36028820
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Call me Liber or LNA for short so there is no confusion between me and others with similar names.
Not to be confused with Novus America. We are different people with very different political opinions.
Solidarity with the Hong Kong People! Down with the CCP!

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North German Realm
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby North German Realm » Fri Aug 16, 2019 11:14 am

Crysuko wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:"Down with Dissent" would be a good title for the authoritarians that post here.

I don't think anyone who frequents this thread would unironically call themself as such

Many possess Authoritarian characteristics though. That said, I am appalled at LNA's statement, considering how many of the posters here crosspost from other threads.
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Jean-Paul Sartre
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Postby Jean-Paul Sartre » Fri Aug 16, 2019 11:19 am

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:I think it is funny when everyone here views me as right wing, while many people in the RWDT view me as a left winger.

Same here tbh. The number of times I’ve been accused of being Communist is hilarious, but I also know the commies don’t think very highly of my political views. :P
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Cappuccina
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Authoritarian Democracy

Postby Cappuccina » Fri Aug 16, 2019 11:20 am

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Crysuko wrote:centrists have conviction in their lack of convictions

No, they have convictions. It's that they don't view themselves as left or right.

It depends on how one uses the term "centrism", some people view it as synonymous with "moderate", some view it as having a synthesis of left and right philosophical views.

I'd personally consider myself as a centrist of the latter type.
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Nakena
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Capitalist Paradise

Postby Nakena » Fri Aug 16, 2019 11:21 am

Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:I think it is funny when everyone here views me as right wing, while many people in the RWDT view me as a left winger.

Same here tbh. The number of times I’ve been accused of being Communist is hilarious, but I also know the commies don’t think very highly of my political views. :P


It might be because of your name. People may think Sartre, oh he must be a commie!
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Jean-Paul Sartre
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Postby Jean-Paul Sartre » Fri Aug 16, 2019 11:23 am

Nakena wrote:
Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:Same here tbh. The number of times I’ve been accused of being Communist is hilarious, but I also know the commies don’t think very highly of my political views. :P


It might be because of your name. People may think Sartre, oh he must be a commie!

Definitely. Still doesn’t excuse them, though. It’s not hard to understand that I am not actually a 20th century French playwright.
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LiberNovusAmericae
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Left-Leaning College State

Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Aug 16, 2019 11:23 am

North German Realm wrote:
Crysuko wrote:I don't think anyone who frequents this thread would unironically call themself as such

Many possess Authoritarian characteristics though. That said, I am appalled at LNA's statement, considering how many of the posters here crosspost from other threads.

How is that appalling?
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Call me Liber or LNA for short so there is no confusion between me and others with similar names.
Not to be confused with Novus America. We are different people with very different political opinions.
Solidarity with the Hong Kong People! Down with the CCP!

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Pacomia
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Founded: May 23, 2019
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Pacomia » Fri Aug 16, 2019 11:24 am

LWDT 8: What does “leftist” even mean anymore?
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LiberNovusAmericae
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Aug 16, 2019 11:24 am

Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:I think it is funny when everyone here views me as right wing, while many people in the RWDT view me as a left winger.

Same here tbh. The number of times I’ve been accused of being Communist is hilarious, but I also know the commies don’t think very highly of my political views. :P

Indeed. They stand for forced equality.
Nova Cyberia wrote:Thank you. I appreciate your respect for my low opinion of you.
Call me Liber or LNA for short so there is no confusion between me and others with similar names.
Not to be confused with Novus America. We are different people with very different political opinions.
Solidarity with the Hong Kong People! Down with the CCP!

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Nakena
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Capitalist Paradise

Postby Nakena » Fri Aug 16, 2019 11:25 am

Cappuccina wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:No, they have convictions. It's that they don't view themselves as left or right.

It depends on how one uses the term "centrism", some people view it as synonymous with "moderate", some view it as having a synthesis of left and right philosophical views.

I'd personally consider myself as a centrist of the latter type.


What do you think about Corneliu Zelea Codreanu? He might be your kind of guy perhaps.
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Kowani
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Kowani » Fri Aug 16, 2019 11:25 am

Crysuko wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:"Down with Dissent" would be a good title for the authoritarians that post here.

I don't think anyone who frequents this thread would unironically call themself as such

Heh.
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Nakena
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Postby Nakena » Fri Aug 16, 2019 11:25 am

Kowani wrote:
Crysuko wrote:I don't think anyone who frequents this thread would unironically call themself as such

Heh.


Those are rather in the "Who was worse" thread.

Which should be really renamed into: Who can get the worst in apologism for Josef and Adolf?
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Cappuccina
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Postby Cappuccina » Fri Aug 16, 2019 11:27 am

Nakena wrote:
Cappuccina wrote:It depends on how one uses the term "centrism", some people view it as synonymous with "moderate", some view it as having a synthesis of left and right philosophical views.

I'd personally consider myself as a centrist of the latter type.


What do you think about Corneliu Zelea Codreanu? He might be your kind of guy perhaps.

I'd view him as me on crack, similar views, bit too much of a zealot though....and well he's Orthodox and I'm Muslim.
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Kowani
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Kowani » Fri Aug 16, 2019 11:28 am

Nakena wrote:
Kowani wrote:Heh.


Those are rather in the "Who was worse" thread.

Which should be really renamed into: Who can get the worst in apologism for Josef and Adolf?

Don’t remind me of that particular clusterfuck.
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Turbofolkia wrote:And it’s not like the 1000 different offshoots of Protestantism that you have in America are any better. Even if they’re not abusing children, it’s just megachurches filled with people on mobility strollers donating their life savings to Pastor Hamburglar so that he can buy his sixth McMansion.

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Nakena
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Postby Nakena » Fri Aug 16, 2019 11:31 am

Cappuccina wrote:
Nakena wrote:
What do you think about Corneliu Zelea Codreanu? He might be your kind of guy perhaps.

I'd view him as me on crack, similar views, bit too much of a zealot though....and we'll he's Orthodox and I'm Muslim.


Some ideologies or idealists like Codreanu are, I think, demanding too much from people. The majority of people cannot in the long run live up to such high and demanding ideals. Be they be political, ideological or spiritual. Sometimes even the short one isnt working but for a few years at best.

Kowani wrote:
Nakena wrote:
Those are rather in the "Who was worse" thread.

Which should be really renamed into: Who can get the worst in apologism for Josef and Adolf?

Don’t remind me of that particular clusterfuck.


Sometimes those can be fun though :^)
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Postby Jean-Paul Sartre » Fri Aug 16, 2019 11:32 am

Nakena wrote:
Kowani wrote:Heh.


Those are rather in the "Who was worse" thread.

Which should be really renamed into: Who can get the worst in apologism for Josef and Adolf?

Hey now, the [holocaust/holodomor] never happened, but if it did, the [kulaks/jews] also had it too easy. [Stalin/Hitler] made many great improvements to his country and should be respected as a man of the [Aryan/Working] people.
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Postby Kowani » Fri Aug 16, 2019 11:34 am

Nakena wrote:
Cappuccina wrote:I'd view him as me on crack, similar views, bit too much of a zealot though....and we'll he's Orthodox and I'm Muslim.


Some ideologies or idealists like Codreanu are, I think, demanding too much from people. The majority of people cannot in the long run live up to such high and demanding ideals. Be they be political, ideological or spiritual. Sometimes even the short one isnt working but for a few years at best.

Kowani wrote:Don’t remind me of that particular clusterfuck.


Sometimes those can be fun though :^)

That one wasn’t.
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Seangoli wrote:You are spouting nonsensical drivel with no coherent thought, little logic, and at the end of it all just angry opining at the clouds based on a truly astonishly low level of knowledge or understanding of the subject matter.

Turbofolkia wrote:And it’s not like the 1000 different offshoots of Protestantism that you have in America are any better. Even if they’re not abusing children, it’s just megachurches filled with people on mobility strollers donating their life savings to Pastor Hamburglar so that he can buy his sixth McMansion.

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