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Which Book on Leftist Ideology is Your Preferred Book?

The Communist Manifesto (Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels)
23
18%
The Conquest of Bread (Peter Kropotkin)
24
19%
Das Kapital (Karl Marx)
21
16%
What is Property? (Pierre-Joseph Proudhon)
2
2%
Guerilla Warfare (Che Guevara)
8
6%
Mutual Aid (Peter Kropotkin)
2
2%
Profit Over People (Noam Chomsky)
4
3%
The Ego and Its Own (Max Stirner)
8
6%
Debt: The First 5,000 Years (David Graeber)
5
4%
Other (Please Explain)
32
25%
 
Total votes : 129

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Cappuccina
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Postby Cappuccina » Fri Aug 16, 2019 11:20 am

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Crysuko wrote:centrists have conviction in their lack of convictions

No, they have convictions. It's that they don't view themselves as left or right.

It depends on how one uses the term "centrism", some people view it as synonymous with "moderate", some view it as having a synthesis of left and right philosophical views.

I'd personally consider myself as a centrist of the latter type.
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Nakena
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Postby Nakena » Fri Aug 16, 2019 11:21 am

Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:I think it is funny when everyone here views me as right wing, while many people in the RWDT view me as a left winger.

Same here tbh. The number of times I’ve been accused of being Communist is hilarious, but I also know the commies don’t think very highly of my political views. :P


It might be because of your name. People may think Sartre, oh he must be a commie!
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Jean-Paul Sartre
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Postby Jean-Paul Sartre » Fri Aug 16, 2019 11:23 am

Nakena wrote:
Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:Same here tbh. The number of times I’ve been accused of being Communist is hilarious, but I also know the commies don’t think very highly of my political views. :P


It might be because of your name. People may think Sartre, oh he must be a commie!

Definitely. Still doesn’t excuse them, though. It’s not hard to understand that I am not actually a 20th century French playwright.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Aug 16, 2019 11:23 am

North German Realm wrote:
Crysuko wrote:I don't think anyone who frequents this thread would unironically call themself as such

Many possess Authoritarian characteristics though. That said, I am appalled at LNA's statement, considering how many of the posters here crosspost from other threads.

How is that appalling?
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Postby Pacomia » Fri Aug 16, 2019 11:24 am

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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Aug 16, 2019 11:24 am

Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:I think it is funny when everyone here views me as right wing, while many people in the RWDT view me as a left winger.

Same here tbh. The number of times I’ve been accused of being Communist is hilarious, but I also know the commies don’t think very highly of my political views. :P

Indeed. They stand for forced equality.
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Postby Nakena » Fri Aug 16, 2019 11:25 am

Cappuccina wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:No, they have convictions. It's that they don't view themselves as left or right.

It depends on how one uses the term "centrism", some people view it as synonymous with "moderate", some view it as having a synthesis of left and right philosophical views.

I'd personally consider myself as a centrist of the latter type.


What do you think about Corneliu Zelea Codreanu? He might be your kind of guy perhaps.

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Kowani
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Postby Kowani » Fri Aug 16, 2019 11:25 am

Crysuko wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:"Down with Dissent" would be a good title for the authoritarians that post here.

I don't think anyone who frequents this thread would unironically call themself as such

Heh.
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Postby Nakena » Fri Aug 16, 2019 11:25 am

Kowani wrote:
Crysuko wrote:I don't think anyone who frequents this thread would unironically call themself as such

Heh.


Those are rather in the "Who was worse" thread.

Which should be really renamed into: Who can get the worst in apologism for Josef and Adolf?
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Cappuccina
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Postby Cappuccina » Fri Aug 16, 2019 11:27 am

Nakena wrote:
Cappuccina wrote:It depends on how one uses the term "centrism", some people view it as synonymous with "moderate", some view it as having a synthesis of left and right philosophical views.

I'd personally consider myself as a centrist of the latter type.


What do you think about Corneliu Zelea Codreanu? He might be your kind of guy perhaps.

I'd view him as me on crack, similar views, bit too much of a zealot though....and well he's Orthodox and I'm Muslim.
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Postby Kowani » Fri Aug 16, 2019 11:28 am

Nakena wrote:
Kowani wrote:Heh.


Those are rather in the "Who was worse" thread.

Which should be really renamed into: Who can get the worst in apologism for Josef and Adolf?

Don’t remind me of that particular clusterfuck.
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Telconi wrote:Every once in a while Kowani does have a decent point.

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Postby Nakena » Fri Aug 16, 2019 11:31 am

Cappuccina wrote:
Nakena wrote:
What do you think about Corneliu Zelea Codreanu? He might be your kind of guy perhaps.

I'd view him as me on crack, similar views, bit too much of a zealot though....and we'll he's Orthodox and I'm Muslim.


Some ideologies or idealists like Codreanu are, I think, demanding too much from people. The majority of people cannot in the long run live up to such high and demanding ideals. Be they be political, ideological or spiritual. Sometimes even the short one isnt working but for a few years at best.

Kowani wrote:
Nakena wrote:
Those are rather in the "Who was worse" thread.

Which should be really renamed into: Who can get the worst in apologism for Josef and Adolf?

Don’t remind me of that particular clusterfuck.


Sometimes those can be fun though :^)
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Postby Jean-Paul Sartre » Fri Aug 16, 2019 11:32 am

Nakena wrote:
Kowani wrote:Heh.


Those are rather in the "Who was worse" thread.

Which should be really renamed into: Who can get the worst in apologism for Josef and Adolf?

Hey now, the [holocaust/holodomor] never happened, but if it did, the [kulaks/jews] also had it too easy. [Stalin/Hitler] made many great improvements to his country and should be respected as a man of the [Aryan/Working] people.
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Kowani
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Postby Kowani » Fri Aug 16, 2019 11:34 am

Nakena wrote:
Cappuccina wrote:I'd view him as me on crack, similar views, bit too much of a zealot though....and we'll he's Orthodox and I'm Muslim.


Some ideologies or idealists like Codreanu are, I think, demanding too much from people. The majority of people cannot in the long run live up to such high and demanding ideals. Be they be political, ideological or spiritual. Sometimes even the short one isnt working but for a few years at best.

Kowani wrote:Don’t remind me of that particular clusterfuck.


Sometimes those can be fun though :^)

That one wasn’t.
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Postby Cappuccina » Fri Aug 16, 2019 11:34 am

Nakena wrote:
Cappuccina wrote:I'd view him as me on crack, similar views, bit too much of a zealot though....and we'll he's Orthodox and I'm Muslim.


Some ideologies or idealists like Codreanu are, I think, demanding too much from people. The majority of people can in the long run live up to such high and demanding ideals. Be they be political, ideological or spiritual. Sometimes even the short one isnt working but for a few years at best.

Kowani wrote:Don’t remind me of that particular clusterfuck.


Sometimes those can be fun though :^)

I find Codreanu's ideas to be noble in intent, but I don't find fanaticism and zealotry to be useful in one's spiritual growth.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Aug 16, 2019 12:36 pm

[Retracted]
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Postby Greater Loegria » Fri Aug 16, 2019 12:37 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:If I got DEAT tomorrow, who here would celebrate?

Nice fishing line you’ve cast there old bean.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Aug 16, 2019 12:39 pm

Greater Loegria wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:If I got DEAT tomorrow, who here would celebrate?

Nice fishing line you’ve cast there old bean.

I'm just trying to stimulate any type of discussion here. This thread is only four pages way from being locked and replaced. I'm not looking to cry to the mods or anything like that.
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Postby Crysuko » Fri Aug 16, 2019 1:06 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Greater Loegria wrote:Nice fishing line you’ve cast there old bean.

I'm just trying to stimulate any type of discussion here. This thread is only four pages way from being locked and replaced. I'm not looking to cry to the mods or anything like that.

It did come across as kind of self absorbed. This is a leftist politics thread, not a blog.

Speaking of which. Do tankies generally have too many stars in their eyes over the USSR, being too willing to ignore its faults?
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This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Aug 16, 2019 1:14 pm

Crysuko wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:I'm just trying to stimulate any type of discussion here. This thread is only four pages way from being locked and replaced. I'm not looking to cry to the mods or anything like that.

It did come across as kind of self absorbed. This is a leftist politics thread, not a blog.

If I thought it was my blog I would have posted my personal dramas, etc.
Speaking of which. Do tankies generally have too many stars in their eyes over the USSR, being too willing to ignore its faults?

Of course. They often deny that the U.S.S.R was undemocratic, and they deny every single atrocity committed under Stalin and other dictators or try to find excuses to justify it. I'm sure they don't make the left-wing community look good.
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Fri Aug 16, 2019 1:53 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:If I got DEAT tomorrow, who here would celebrate?

You honestly expect people to respond to this? Anyone who says they would would be at risk of a mod slap.
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Postby Crysuko » Fri Aug 16, 2019 2:05 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:If I got DEAT tomorrow, who here would celebrate?

You honestly expect people to respond to this? Anyone who says they would would be at risk of a mod slap.

it's more likely i'd get whacked for blowing up at you or someone else
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Kelinfort wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

Cesopium wrote:Welp let's hope armies of 10 million don't just roam around and Soviet their way through everything.

Yugoslav Memes wrote:
Victoriala II wrote:Ur mom has value

one week ban for flaming xd

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Much better than the kulak smoothies. Their texture was suspiciously grainy.

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Postby Hanafuridake » Fri Aug 16, 2019 2:26 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:If I got DEAT tomorrow, who here would celebrate?


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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Fri Aug 16, 2019 2:33 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:If I got DEAT tomorrow, who here would celebrate?


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Hana, that's extremely rude.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Aug 16, 2019 2:34 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:
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Hana, that's extremely rude.

On NSG, that is mild.
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