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LWDT 7: The Earth and Heavens Tremble.

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Which Book on Leftist Ideology is Your Preferred Book?

The Communist Manifesto (Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels)
23
18%
The Conquest of Bread (Peter Kropotkin)
24
19%
Das Kapital (Karl Marx)
21
16%
What is Property? (Pierre-Joseph Proudhon)
2
2%
Guerilla Warfare (Che Guevara)
8
6%
Mutual Aid (Peter Kropotkin)
2
2%
Profit Over People (Noam Chomsky)
4
3%
The Ego and Its Own (Max Stirner)
8
6%
Debt: The First 5,000 Years (David Graeber)
5
4%
Other (Please Explain)
32
25%
 
Total votes : 129

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Ostroeuropa
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Fri Aug 16, 2019 8:55 am

LWDT 8: Less crypto-fascists than you'd think, but more than you'd hope.
The feminism that only exists in feminists heads is real, and the feminism that impacts society isn't real.

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Torrocca
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Postby Torrocca » Fri Aug 16, 2019 8:57 am

North German Realm wrote:
Torrocca wrote:Looks like we're almost ready for the 8th iteration. Don't think I'll OP that one, this time around (like I said a while back), so, uh... somebody feel free to take charge? Hold a quick vote for a new OP? I dunno.

I'd say holding a poll over it is probably the smarter idea, but honestly I doubt we can reach an accord in the next, what, 4-5 pages?


Yeah, there's not enough pages left for a poll.
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Capital - Karl Marx and Frederich Engels
Wage Labor and Capital - Karl Marx
The Conquest of Bread - Peter Kropotkin
Mutual Aid - Peter Kropotkin
Statism and Anarchy - Mikhail Bakunin

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Crysuko
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Left-Leaning College State

Postby Crysuko » Fri Aug 16, 2019 8:58 am

LWDT 8: CNT-FUN

Let's brainstorm some titles
Quotes:
Xilonite wrote: cookies are heresy.

Kelinfort wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

Cesopium wrote:Welp let's hope armies of 10 million don't just roam around and Soviet their way through everything.

Yugoslav Memes wrote:
Victoriala II wrote:Ur mom has value

one week ban for flaming xd

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Much better than the kulak smoothies. Their texture was suspiciously grainy.

Syndicalist, vehement anti-fascist.
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LiberNovusAmericae
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Aug 16, 2019 9:05 am

How about "silence the opposition." That would be a very accurate title for many elements of the left.
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Crysuko
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Postby Crysuko » Fri Aug 16, 2019 9:06 am

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:How about "silence the opposition." That would be a very accurate title for many elements of the left.

The right thinks left = liberal: episode 99999999999999999999999999
Quotes:
Xilonite wrote: cookies are heresy.

Kelinfort wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

Cesopium wrote:Welp let's hope armies of 10 million don't just roam around and Soviet their way through everything.

Yugoslav Memes wrote:
Victoriala II wrote:Ur mom has value

one week ban for flaming xd

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Much better than the kulak smoothies. Their texture was suspiciously grainy.

Syndicalist, vehement anti-fascist.
I USE Qs INSTEAD OF Qs

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LiberNovusAmericae
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Aug 16, 2019 9:15 am

Crysuko wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:How about "silence the opposition." That would be a very accurate title for many elements of the left.

The right thinks left = liberal: episode 99999999999999999999999999

I ain't mistaking the two here. The Soviets weren't liberal, and they silenced their opposition with Gulags. Not saying every leftist would do that, but I'm not talking about liberalism.
China Lied, People Died.
Anti-imperialism is really code for anti-west.
Not to be confused with Novus America! We are NOT the same player.

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Proctopeo
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Anarchy

Postby Proctopeo » Fri Aug 16, 2019 9:22 am

LWDT 8: Left Outta Time
I don't know what to put here, but I've returned.

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Crysuko
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Postby Crysuko » Fri Aug 16, 2019 9:25 am

if it's me that makes the next thread, I'll probably title it Karltural Marxism or something dumb like that
Quotes:
Xilonite wrote: cookies are heresy.

Kelinfort wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

Cesopium wrote:Welp let's hope armies of 10 million don't just roam around and Soviet their way through everything.

Yugoslav Memes wrote:
Victoriala II wrote:Ur mom has value

one week ban for flaming xd

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Much better than the kulak smoothies. Their texture was suspiciously grainy.

Syndicalist, vehement anti-fascist.
I USE Qs INSTEAD OF Qs

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North German Realm
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Postby North German Realm » Fri Aug 16, 2019 9:32 am

Crysuko wrote:if it's me that makes the next thread, I'll probably title it Karltural Marxism or something dumb like that

Kultur Marx*
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Dumb Ideologies
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Fri Aug 16, 2019 9:37 am

LWDT 8: Dancing the Nazbol Gambol

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Kowani
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Kowani » Fri Aug 16, 2019 9:38 am

Shoulda turned Left at Albuquerque.
Unironic L. Randall Wray stan.
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Pacomia
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Postby Pacomia » Fri Aug 16, 2019 9:40 am

Centrist Discussion Thread?
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North German Realm
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Postby North German Realm » Fri Aug 16, 2019 9:42 am

Pacomia wrote:Centrist Discussion Thread?

One keeps popping up every now and then. For some reason, it never tends to stick around for long.
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Die Morgenpost: "We will reconsider our relationship with Poland" Reichskanzler Lagenmauer says after Polish president protested North German ultimatum that made them restore reproductive freedom. | European Society votes not to persecute Hungary for atrocities committed against Serbs, "Giving a rogue state leave to commit genocide as it sees fit." North German delegate bemoans. | Negotiations still underway in Rome, delegates arguing over the extent of indemnities Turkey might be made to pay, lawful status of Turkish collaborators during occupation of Azerbaijan, Cyprus, Syria.

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Crysuko
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Postby Crysuko » Fri Aug 16, 2019 9:44 am

North German Realm wrote:
Pacomia wrote:Centrist Discussion Thread?

One keeps popping up every now and then. For some reason, it never tends to stick around for long.

centrists have conviction in their lack of convictions
Quotes:
Xilonite wrote: cookies are heresy.

Kelinfort wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

Cesopium wrote:Welp let's hope armies of 10 million don't just roam around and Soviet their way through everything.

Yugoslav Memes wrote:
Victoriala II wrote:Ur mom has value

one week ban for flaming xd

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Much better than the kulak smoothies. Their texture was suspiciously grainy.

Syndicalist, vehement anti-fascist.
I USE Qs INSTEAD OF Qs

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Ostroeuropa
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Ostroeuropa » Fri Aug 16, 2019 9:57 am

LWDT 8: Hi guys, I'm a Clinton supporter.
The feminism that only exists in feminists heads is real, and the feminism that impacts society isn't real.

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Cekoviu
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Postby Cekoviu » Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:12 am

Crysuko wrote:
North German Realm wrote:I'd say holding a poll over it is probably the smarter idea, but honestly I doubt we can reach an accord in the next, what, 4-5 pages?

It'd just end up being an ego thing.

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LiberNovusAmericae
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:18 am

Crysuko wrote:
North German Realm wrote:One keeps popping up every now and then. For some reason, it never tends to stick around for long.

centrists have conviction in their lack of convictions

No, they have convictions. It's that they don't view themselves as left or right.
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Anti-imperialism is really code for anti-west.
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LiberNovusAmericae
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:18 am

"Down with Dissent" would be a good title for the authoritarians that post here.
China Lied, People Died.
Anti-imperialism is really code for anti-west.
Not to be confused with Novus America! We are NOT the same player.

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Crysuko
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Postby Crysuko » Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:20 am

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:"Down with Dissent" would be a good title for the authoritarians that post here.

I don't think anyone who frequents this thread would unironically call themself as such
Quotes:
Xilonite wrote: cookies are heresy.

Kelinfort wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

Cesopium wrote:Welp let's hope armies of 10 million don't just roam around and Soviet their way through everything.

Yugoslav Memes wrote:
Victoriala II wrote:Ur mom has value

one week ban for flaming xd

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Much better than the kulak smoothies. Their texture was suspiciously grainy.

Syndicalist, vehement anti-fascist.
I USE Qs INSTEAD OF Qs

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LiberNovusAmericae
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:21 am

Crysuko wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:"Down with Dissent" would be a good title for the authoritarians that post here.

I don't think anyone who frequents this thread would unironically call themself as such

I know.
China Lied, People Died.
Anti-imperialism is really code for anti-west.
Not to be confused with Novus America! We are NOT the same player.

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LiberNovusAmericae
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:23 am

I think it is funny when everyone here views me as right wing, while many people in the RWDT view me as a left winger.
China Lied, People Died.
Anti-imperialism is really code for anti-west.
Not to be confused with Novus America! We are NOT the same player.

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Crysuko
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Postby Crysuko » Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:24 am

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:I think it is funny when everyone here views me as right wing, while many people in the RWDT view me as a left winger.

[Citation needed]
Quotes:
Xilonite wrote: cookies are heresy.

Kelinfort wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

Cesopium wrote:Welp let's hope armies of 10 million don't just roam around and Soviet their way through everything.

Yugoslav Memes wrote:
Victoriala II wrote:Ur mom has value

one week ban for flaming xd

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Much better than the kulak smoothies. Their texture was suspiciously grainy.

Syndicalist, vehement anti-fascist.
I USE Qs INSTEAD OF Qs

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LiberNovusAmericae
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:48 am

Crysuko wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:I think it is funny when everyone here views me as right wing, while many people in the RWDT view me as a left winger.

[Citation needed]

I see no reason to trawl through over 500 pages of posts just to show that some right-wingers particularly of the more reactionary variety think that right-libertarianism is a form of liberalism, and thus a moderate form of left-wing politics.

viewtopic.php?p=36028820#p36028820
China Lied, People Died.
Anti-imperialism is really code for anti-west.
Not to be confused with Novus America! We are NOT the same player.

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North German Realm
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Postby North German Realm » Fri Aug 16, 2019 11:14 am

Crysuko wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:"Down with Dissent" would be a good title for the authoritarians that post here.

I don't think anyone who frequents this thread would unironically call themself as such

Many possess Authoritarian characteristics though. That said, I am appalled at LNA's statement, considering how many of the posters here crosspost from other threads.
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Jean-Paul Sartre
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Postby Jean-Paul Sartre » Fri Aug 16, 2019 11:19 am

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:I think it is funny when everyone here views me as right wing, while many people in the RWDT view me as a left winger.

Same here tbh. The number of times I’ve been accused of being Communist is hilarious, but I also know the commies don’t think very highly of my political views. :P
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