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PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 1:24 am
by Cappuccina
Page wrote:
Cappuccina wrote:All we'd get is another idiot in the white house, no one that gets to the big time in Washington is going to actually be worth their beans in office. People are literally wasting effort and stressing out over elections that don't make a single iota of difference from one candidate to the next.


Material conditions matter. Electing Bernie Sanders President would result in better material conditions for the people.

No, it literally won't. He'll never get elected in the first place, he's spoiled milk as far as the so called "left" in this country is concerned, he's white, and old.

PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 1:26 am
by Torrocca
Cappuccina wrote:
Page wrote:
Material conditions matter. Electing Bernie Sanders President would result in better material conditions for the people.

No, it literally won't. He'll never get elected in the first place, he's spoiled milk as far as the so called "left" in this country is concerned, he's white, and old.


Is that why so many on the left are turning to him, rather than against him? Or are these just your preconceived notions regarding his electability? Because the polls by and large show that people love Bernie.

PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 1:31 am
by Cappuccina
Jack Thomas Lang wrote:
Cappuccina wrote:All we'd get is another idiot in the white house, no one that gets to the big time in Washington is going to actually be worth their beans in office. People are literally wasting effort and stressing out over elections that don't make a single iota of difference from one candidate to the next.

What's the alternative? Fantasise over a revolution that's not going to happen?

I know the Nordics are very different to America, but at least they show that it's possible to create meaningful reforms democratically in the face of aristocratic and landowner resistance.

Honestly, I'm not committed to the idea of violent revolution in itself, it's not necessary just yet. All I'm saying is out current options are pretty bottom barrel as far as anyone actually able to gain a good post in the government, let alone the POTUS. We have people dedicated to obsolete ideas (most GOP) or cooky nutjobs like "the squad", the Democrats are washed up with no charisma for shit too.

PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 1:37 am
by North German Realm
Torrocca wrote:
Cappuccina wrote:No, it literally won't. He'll never get elected in the first place, he's spoiled milk as far as the so called "left" in this country is concerned, he's white, and old.


Is that why so many on the left are turning to him, rather than against him? Or are these just your preconceived notions regarding his electability? Because the polls by and large show that people love Bernie.

He's nearly consistently the most popular among the democratic candidates. If the Democrats are going to elect someone though, I'm worried they'll make the same mistake they did in 2016 and elect the less-popular establishment option and pick Biden. Hopefully they won't though.

PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 1:45 am
by Torrocca
North German Realm wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Is that why so many on the left are turning to him, rather than against him? Or are these just your preconceived notions regarding his electability? Because the polls by and large show that people love Bernie.

He's nearly consistently the most popular among the democratic candidates. If the Democrats are going to elect someone though, I'm worried they'll make the same mistake they did in 2016 and elect the less-popular establishment option and pick Biden. Hopefully they won't though.


Fucking Biden. I'm honestly not going to be too shocked if he somehow wins by playing up the Obama nostalgia, but my hope for anything good will definitely be shattered if that does happen. Hopefully, though, people will be smarter about the election this time through.

PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 1:57 am
by Jack Thomas Lang
Soviet schoolchildren were taught this song, and I gotta say, it's pretty good.

PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 2:07 am
by Dumb Ideologies
Talking about the US again? Ignorant foreigner here who thinks America more desperately needs a social Democrat than a woke lifestyle-liberal whose defining feature is being loudly from a minority, a symbol of progress just by being in power. Depending on the nominee, you'll get one or the other with a few rhetorical totem policies to try and make it sound like they're also committed to the other wing's politics.

Obama was okay and much better than Trump but systematic issues aren't solved by being a smiley media trained smooth talker who routinely gives "if by whiskey" style non-answers to any fundamental question. You're against oppression and you want people worldwide to be happy and full of love? That's nice, but politics isn't Miss World.

PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 2:46 am
by The Greater Ohio Valley
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Bernie's literally America's best option at getting things fixed for the better right now. That's far more important than holding the dude up to overly-stringent, precise standards.


Realistically Bernie wouldn't be able to do much of anything.

He’d still be substantially better than who we currently have in office.

PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 2:54 am
by Cappuccina
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Realistically Bernie wouldn't be able to do much of anything.

He’d still be substantially better than who we currently have in office.

Probably not.

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Talking about the US again? Ignorant foreigner here who thinks America more desperately needs a social Democrat than a woke lifestyle-liberal whose defining feature is being loudly from a minority, a symbol of progress just by being in power. Depending on the nominee, you'll get one or the other with a few rhetorical totem policies to try and make it sound like they're also committed to the other wing's politics.

Obama was okay and much better than Trump but systematic issues aren't solved by being a smiley media trained smooth talker who routinely gives "if by whiskey" style non-answers to any fundamental question. You're against oppression and you want people worldwide to be happy and full of love? That's nice, but politics isn't Miss World.

The thing is here in America concepts like social democracy ring the layman's "but dats gommunist" alarm. I'd like for some actual variety in our candidates, but that's not gonna happen, our political scene is fossilized into generic Republicans and generic Democrats.

PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 2:56 am
by Washington Resistance Army
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Realistically Bernie wouldn't be able to do much of anything.

He’d still be substantially better than who we currently have in office.


If he lacked a cooperative Senate, which he almost certainly would, then he really wouldn't be due to sheer gridlock and an inability to pass anything.

Though tbh I don't think that would entirely be a bad thing. Much as Trump's presidency helped kill the alt-right maybe an equally ineffective Sanders presidency could kneecap the left.

PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 4:57 am
by Nakena
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:He’d still be substantially better than who we currently have in office.


If he lacked a cooperative Senate, which he almost certainly would, then he really wouldn't be due to sheer gridlock and an inability to pass anything.

Though tbh I don't think that would entirely be a bad thing. Much as Trump's presidency helped kill the alt-right maybe an equally ineffective Sanders presidency could kneecap the left.


It might slow them down however I am pretty sure of the far-right we may only have experienced their primary form and first wave. With the seeds planted already and starting to bear their evil fruits.

PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:50 am
by Dumb Ideologies
Nakena wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
If he lacked a cooperative Senate, which he almost certainly would, then he really wouldn't be due to sheer gridlock and an inability to pass anything.

Though tbh I don't think that would entirely be a bad thing. Much as Trump's presidency helped kill the alt-right maybe an equally ineffective Sanders presidency could kneecap the left.


It might slow them down however I am pretty sure of the far-right we may only have experienced their primary form and first wave. With the seeds planted already and starting to bear their evil fruits.


Evil fruits? We'll have no alt-Pride here!

PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:57 am
by Nakena
Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Nakena wrote:
It might slow them down however I am pretty sure of the far-right we may only have experienced their primary form and first wave. With the seeds planted already and starting to bear their evil fruits.


Evil fruits? We'll have no alt-Pride here!


Their tendrils are growing and spreading underground as we speak. The alt-right of 2015-17 may merely have been the first wave of future things, unseen yet to come. The entire rise of extremist terrorism is the proof thereof.

PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 6:18 am
by New yugoslavaia
Nakena wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Evil fruits? We'll have no alt-Pride here!


Their tendrils are growing and spreading underground as we speak. The alt-right of 2015-17 may merely have been the first wave of future things, unseen yet to come. The entire rise of extremist terrorism is the proof thereof.


"But muh ethknowsate!"

PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 6:20 am
by Nakena
New yugoslavaia wrote:
Nakena wrote:
Their tendrils are growing and spreading underground as we speak. The alt-right of 2015-17 may merely have been the first wave of future things, unseen yet to come. The entire rise of extremist terrorism is the proof thereof.


"But muh ethknowsate!"


Yes, yes I see you know it too.

PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:13 am
by LiberNovusAmericae
Kowani wrote:
Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:“Supports: Liberty, Capitalism, Libertarianism, Low Taxes, Free Speech, Civic Nationalism, Representative Republics, Secularism, Atheism, Gun Rights”

God, do I feel stupid right now... :oops:

Guys, what I wrote was a shitpost.

PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:16 am
by Washington Resistance Army
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Kowani wrote:God, do I feel stupid right now... :oops:

Guys, what I wrote was a shitpost.


It's not a shitpost if it's true though.

PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:18 am
by Ostroeuropa
The alt-right isn't shrinking as a result of the Trump presidency, why would you think that?

The growth of the far-right is still going on. In Germany they've overtaken Merkels party in a few areas. In general in fact they're a growing movement.

PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:19 am
by LiberNovusAmericae
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Guys, what I wrote was a shitpost.


It's not a shitpost if it's true though.

What makes you think my post about banning tankies is something I truly believe in?

PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:21 am
by Nakena
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Guys, what I wrote was a shitpost.


It's not a shitpost if it's true though.


Sometimes its hard to tell those days. But lets be honest, that makes it all the merrier.

PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:23 am
by Washington Resistance Army
Ostroeuropa wrote:The alt-right isn't shrinking as a result of the Trump presidency, why would you think that?

The growth of the far-right is still going on. In Germany they've overtaken Merkels party in a few areas. In general in fact they're a growing movement.


The alt-right in the US is pretty dead currently tbh. Trump letdown played more than a small part imo.

PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:23 am
by Kowani
Ostroeuropa wrote:The alt-right isn't shrinking as a result of the Trump presidency, why would you think that?

The growth of the far-right is still going on. In Germany they've overtaken Merkels party in a few areas. In general in fact they're a growing movement.

Yeah, it was quite obvious that we were talking about the US.

PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:24 am
by LiberNovusAmericae
Ostroeuropa wrote:The alt-right isn't shrinking as a result of the Trump presidency, why would you think that?

The growth of the far-right is still going on. In Germany they've overtaken Merkels party in a few areas. In general in fact they're a growing movement.

I'm sure that is because of immigration.

PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:25 am
by Nakena
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:The alt-right isn't shrinking as a result of the Trump presidency, why would you think that?

The growth of the far-right is still going on. In Germany they've overtaken Merkels party in a few areas. In general in fact they're a growing movement.


The alt-right in the US is pretty dead currently tbh. Trump letdown played more than a small part imo.


And nothing of value got lost. I have most of them as pretty cringy in memory. Which being said whoever is left now or still around of it is probably a true believer.

PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:25 am
by LiberNovusAmericae
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:The alt-right isn't shrinking as a result of the Trump presidency, why would you think that?

The growth of the far-right is still going on. In Germany they've overtaken Merkels party in a few areas. In general in fact they're a growing movement.


The alt-right in the US is pretty dead currently tbh. Trump letdown played more than a small part imo.

Good riddance. They were a faction of right-wing politics where the term "deplorable" fit.