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Which Book on Leftist Ideology is Your Preferred Book?

The Communist Manifesto (Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels)
23
18%
The Conquest of Bread (Peter Kropotkin)
24
19%
Das Kapital (Karl Marx)
21
16%
What is Property? (Pierre-Joseph Proudhon)
2
2%
Guerilla Warfare (Che Guevara)
8
6%
Mutual Aid (Peter Kropotkin)
2
2%
Profit Over People (Noam Chomsky)
4
3%
The Ego and Its Own (Max Stirner)
8
6%
Debt: The First 5,000 Years (David Graeber)
5
4%
Other (Please Explain)
32
25%
 
Total votes : 129

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Turbofolkia
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Postby Turbofolkia » Fri Aug 09, 2019 10:23 pm

Soviet Tankistan wrote:
New yugoslavaia wrote:Hey, anyone heard of the "Balkan federation"?

The EU is close to securing the Balkans. Unless, war breaks out, I doubt anything else significant will happen. If it does, I give a good chance of Russia for getting new allies, a good chance of major escalation, and a good chance of random ethnic/religious wars. These could and likely would overlap.
I doubt a Balkan federation could be formed no matter what goes down. The only unity that might happen is western guided, provided the EU follows through with the Balkans like they said they might.

As much as I would love to see the rest of the Balkans join the EU, it is not happening any time soon. Serbia is not joining until the Kosovo issue gets resolved and the rest need serious economic and political reforms before their applications can be taken seriously.

There’s a running joke in Serbia that by the time Serbia and Albania join the EU, the only countries left in the EU will be Serbia and Albania.
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Postby Nakena » Fri Aug 09, 2019 10:25 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:Honestly don't know how anyone could remotely like Stirner's book, outside of its meme status.

It's kind of like The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy - it's ridiculously written fiction which distorts real events to a realistic degree and has very surreal subject matter. He actually presents some good ideas if you can wade through the nonsense, but the latter makes it more fun to read.
Related: I desperately want an audiobook version where the italicized words are shouted and the rest is read in a calming tone.


And here I thought I was the only one who doesnt takes nonsense at face value.
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Postby Kubra » Sat Aug 10, 2019 12:17 am

Hanafuridake wrote:Honestly don't know how anyone could remotely like Stirner's book, outside of its meme status.
It's no worse than any other overly poetic continental tract.
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Arcadian Union
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Postby Arcadian Union » Sat Aug 10, 2019 1:38 pm

Fascists have now rebranded themselves again

I bet Three arrow's is going to be pissed when he finds out.
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Postby Proctopeo » Sat Aug 10, 2019 1:40 pm

Arcadian Union wrote:Fascists have now rebranded themselves again

I bet Three arrow's is going to be pissed when he finds out.

I'll check the video out later, but did Three Arrows really call for the deportation of AfD voters? Sounds like the shit a breadtuber would say.
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Arcadian Union
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Postby Arcadian Union » Sat Aug 10, 2019 1:44 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Arcadian Union wrote:Fascists have now rebranded themselves again

I bet Three arrow's is going to be pissed when he finds out.

I'll check the video out later, but did Three Arrows really call for the deportation of AfD voters? Sounds like the shit a breadtuber would say.

I don't think he did although I've just started watching him.
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Postby Torrocca » Sat Aug 10, 2019 2:17 pm

Arcadian Union wrote:Fascists have now rebranded themselves again

I bet Three arrow's is going to be pissed when he finds out.


That pinned comment really exemplifies it all perfectly:

"Leftists calling themselves breadtubers would be like us calling ourselves gastubers. They're turning an atrocity into a joke."

These morons don't even know what the Conquest of Bread is and think the fucking "breadtube" thing is in reference to the famines experienced in authoritarian regimes.
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Postby Cekoviu » Sat Aug 10, 2019 2:29 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Arcadian Union wrote:Fascists have now rebranded themselves again

I bet Three arrow's is going to be pissed when he finds out.


That pinned comment really exemplifies it all perfectly:

"Leftists calling themselves breadtubers would be like us calling ourselves gastubers. They're turning an atrocity into a joke."

These morons don't even know what the Conquest of Bread is and think the fucking "breadtube" thing is in reference to the famines experienced in authoritarian regimes.

It's honestly fucking hilarious that they don't even know the memiest left-wing book. And they think they're better at memeing.
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Postby Torrocca » Sat Aug 10, 2019 2:31 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
That pinned comment really exemplifies it all perfectly:

"Leftists calling themselves breadtubers would be like us calling ourselves gastubers. They're turning an atrocity into a joke."

These morons don't even know what the Conquest of Bread is and think the fucking "breadtube" thing is in reference to the famines experienced in authoritarian regimes.

It's honestly fucking hilarious that they don't even know the memiest left-wing book. And they think they're better at memeing.


Honestly the amount of shit they spew about the left-wing is genuinely hilarious when they don't even know the most basic shit about the left-wing.
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Postby New yugoslavaia » Sat Aug 10, 2019 3:26 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:It's honestly fucking hilarious that they don't even know the memiest left-wing book. And they think they're better at memeing.


Honestly the amount of shit they spew about the left-wing is genuinely hilarious when they don't even know the most basic shit about the left-wing.


Leah. It would be nice if they actually told us what "the left" is.
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Postby Kubra » Sat Aug 10, 2019 3:43 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Arcadian Union wrote:Fascists have now rebranded themselves again

I bet Three arrow's is going to be pissed when he finds out.


That pinned comment really exemplifies it all perfectly:

"Leftists calling themselves breadtubers would be like us calling ourselves gastubers. They're turning an atrocity into a joke."

These morons don't even know what the Conquest of Bread is and think the fucking "breadtube" thing is in reference to the famines experienced in authoritarian regimes.
and as I'm always one to point out, the Soviet Union overproduced bread to such a degree that it partially broke their economy.
In the Soviet Union, bread was as freely available as water. that's a bad thing.
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Nakena
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Postby Nakena » Sat Aug 10, 2019 3:45 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Arcadian Union wrote:Fascists have now rebranded themselves again

I bet Three arrow's is going to be pissed when he finds out.

I'll check the video out later, but did Three Arrows really call for the deportation of AfD voters? Sounds like the shit a breadtuber would say.


Recorded on phone.

So I presume it's a phonetuber? Those are literally the worst.

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Postby Liriena » Sun Aug 11, 2019 9:55 am

Oh hey everyone! What did I miss? With everything that happened these past two weeks, I probably missed out on a lot of amazing threads.

Also, it's the open primaries here today and I voted for the Worker's Left Front, partially out of laziness (didn't feel like splitting the ballot) and partially out of worry (any party that doesn't make it past a certain popular vote threshold in the primaries can't participate in the general election). Fingers crossed, the right-wing libertarians of Espert, the religious conservatives of Gomez Centurión and the actual neo-nazis of Biondini won't make it.
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I am:
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Political compass stuff:
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:06 am

Torrocca wrote:
Arcadian Union wrote:Fascists have now rebranded themselves again

I bet Three arrow's is going to be pissed when he finds out.


That pinned comment really exemplifies it all perfectly:

"Leftists calling themselves breadtubers would be like us calling ourselves gastubers. They're turning an atrocity into a joke."

These morons don't even know what the Conquest of Bread is and think the fucking "breadtube" thing is in reference to the famines experienced in authoritarian regimes.

The fact that a meme perpetrated by commies is a hilarious self-own isn't really our fault.
Yes, yes, I get it. I'm racist and fascist because I disagree with you. Can we skip that part? I've heard it a million times before and I guarantee it won't be any different when you do it
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Postby Liriena » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:21 am

Nova Cyberia wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
That pinned comment really exemplifies it all perfectly:

"Leftists calling themselves breadtubers would be like us calling ourselves gastubers. They're turning an atrocity into a joke."

These morons don't even know what the Conquest of Bread is and think the fucking "breadtube" thing is in reference to the famines experienced in authoritarian regimes.

The fact that a meme perpetrated by commies is a hilarious self-own isn't really our fault.

Right-wingers failing spectacularly at understanding a meme (or left-wing politics) is apparently a leftist self-own.

Feels good to be back.
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I am:
A pansexual, pantheist, green socialist
An aspiring writer and journalist
Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
cynicism


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Postby Kowani » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:22 am

Liriena wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:The fact that a meme perpetrated by commies is a hilarious self-own isn't really our fault.

Right-wingers failing spectacularly at understanding a meme (or left-wing politics) is apparently a leftist self-own.

Feels good to be back.

Welcome back, tío.
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:22 am

Liriena wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:The fact that a meme perpetrated by commies is a hilarious self-own isn't really our fault.

Right-wingers failing spectacularly at understanding a meme (or left-wing politics) is apparently a leftist self-own.

Feels good to be back.

I'm sorry, I realize I spoke out of turn. I'll return to the breadlines now.
Yes, yes, I get it. I'm racist and fascist because I disagree with you. Can we skip that part? I've heard it a million times before and I guarantee it won't be any different when you do it
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Postby The South Falls » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:23 am

Nova Cyberia wrote:
Liriena wrote:Right-wingers failing spectacularly at understanding a meme (or left-wing politics) is apparently a leftist self-own.

Feels good to be back.

I'm sorry, I realize I spoke out of turn. I'll return to the breadlines now.

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Postby Liriena » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:23 am

Nova Cyberia wrote:
Liriena wrote:Right-wingers failing spectacularly at understanding a meme (or left-wing politics) is apparently a leftist self-own.

Feels good to be back.

I'm sorry, I realize I spoke out of turn. I'll return to the breadlines now.

Fun fact: breadlines existed in capitalist nations too.
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I am:
A pansexual, pantheist, green socialist
An aspiring writer and journalist
Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
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Postby Liriena » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:24 am

The South Falls wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:I'm sorry, I realize I spoke out of turn. I'll return to the breadlines now.

Gulags, my guy. Karaganda and Kolyma await.

BERIA GANG
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I am:
A pansexual, pantheist, green socialist
An aspiring writer and journalist
Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
cynicism


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Postby Cekoviu » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:24 am

Liriena wrote:
The South Falls wrote:Gulags, my guy. Karaganda and Kolyma await.

BERIA GANG

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Postby Nova Cyberia » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:26 am

Liriena wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:I'm sorry, I realize I spoke out of turn. I'll return to the breadlines now.

Fun fact: breadlines existed in capitalist nations too.

I'm sorry, comrade. The commissar does not allow me to speak while I'm in the breadline.
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Postby Torrocca » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:26 am

Liriena wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:I'm sorry, I realize I spoke out of turn. I'll return to the breadlines now.

Fun fact: breadlines existed in capitalist nations too.


Image

Oh, wait, those are Americans during the Great Depression.
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Postby North German Realm » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:29 am

Torrocca wrote:
Liriena wrote:Fun fact: breadlines existed in capitalist nations too.


Image

Oh, wait, those are Americans during the Great Depression.

Didn't the Holodomor and other regional famines in the USSR also happen at the same time?
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Postby Cekoviu » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:31 am

Torrocca wrote:
Liriena wrote:Fun fact: breadlines existed in capitalist nations too.


Image

Oh, wait, those are Americans during the Great Depression.

Pretty heavy whataboutism going on here.
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