LWDT 7: The Earth and Heavens Tremble.

[Cekoviu]

Intersectionality, which I use in my own work, examines the capitalist world system as multidimensional, not one dimensional (usually economic).

So intersectionalism is all about getting screwed over by the powers of capitalism from multible angles in various dimensions?

That sounds quite masochist tbh

mmm, interdimensional kink

[Nakena]

So intersectionalism is all about getting screwed over by the powers of capitalism from multible angles in various dimensions?

That sounds quite masochist tbh

mmm, interdimensional kink

They're the best ones.

[Kowani]

So intersectionalism is all about getting screwed over by the powers of capitalism from multible angles in various dimensions?

That sounds quite masochist tbh

mmm, interdimensional kink

Doesn’t Cthulhu have tentacles?

[Dumb Ideologies]

Intersectionality is a strategy of supporting non-class identity politics groups and then being surprised when they're co-opted by capitalism and want nothing more to do with you.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Intersectionality is a strategy of supporting non-class identity politics groups and then being surprised when they're co-opted by capitalism and want nothing more to do with you.

Shut up commie class reductionist.

[Bojikami]

Intersectionality is a strategy of supporting non-class identity politics groups and then being surprised when they're co-opted by capitalism and want nothing more to do with you.

That's implying that intersectionality excludes class, which, it doesn't.

The liberal take on it, however does. Hence the problems which arise as a result (marginalized people seeing other marginalized people as an enemy, not as fellow marginalized people)

[Ostroeuropa]

Intersectionality is a strategy of supporting non-class identity politics groups and then being surprised when they're co-opted by capitalism and want nothing more to do with you.

It's a means of de-legitimizing some kinds of people from advocating for their interests along certain vectors by claiming they are oppressors.

[Cekoviu]

Intersectionality is a strategy of supporting non-class identity politics groups and then being surprised when they're co-opted by capitalism and want nothing more to do with you.

I'm vaguely intersectionalist, include class, and am unsurprised by capitalism co-opting the struggle for rights. What am I?

[Northern Davincia]

Intersectionality is a strategy of supporting non-class identity politics groups and then being surprised when they're co-opted by capitalism and want nothing more to do with you.

I don't really foresee the total dismantling of capitalism when it remains highly adaptive by nature.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Intersectionality is a strategy of supporting non-class identity politics groups and then being surprised when they're co-opted by capitalism and want nothing more to do with you.

I'm vaguely intersectionalist, include class, and am unsurprised by capitalism co-opting the struggle for rights. What am I?

Enigmatron 2000.

[Ostroeuropa]

Stolen from /r/socialism regarding;
https://youtu.be/FN7r0Rr1Qyc

Fascism must be one of the primary concerns of Socialists, from the very beginning of our emancipatory project Fascism has always stood as the strongest and final anti-revolutionary force, even today we see it in action with the rise of Syriza in Greece practically parallel with the rise of Golden Dawn.

The reason for this is that Fascism is quintessentially a reaction to Marxism, it's very existence is sadly predicated by ours, Socialists need to understand this especially that the Fascist ideology is not simply extreme right wing in the way Libertarianism and fundamental Conservatism is but it in fact lives the guise of the Left Wing using both anti-consumerists and even-capitalist rhetoric as it is much more so than simply an ideology of profit, it is the last recourse of the capitalist system itself when threatened by us.

This is why I linked this performance, it perfectly captures the spirit of how the Fascist ideology entraps the working class, often Fascists are dismissed by Leftists, and Liberals especially as being perceived simply ignorant racists screaming on a podium, something no rational educated person today would get fooled by, this leads to an extremely dangerous underestimation of their threat.

Unfortunately it far more nuanced and seductive than that, what the Fascist ideology expresses is the justified anger of the loss of traditional communal life and values, against a world in which the search for profit destroys all in it's way, the Fascist stands up and beckons a return to this ideal of their authentic culture against the Capitalists themselves, to de-alienate themselves not as another cog in a inhumane process but to place ourselves as a special people, to create a grand narrative of life that revolves around you, this is why Capitalists would far rather keeping up the Liberal economy rejected by Fascism, but they must endorse this ideology against their financial interests because of the far greater risk of the ultimate destruction of their class.

In this grand narrative then what must be rejected by Fascists stronger than anything else is any concept of Historical Materialism, this very theory alienates us and our nation not as part of the legacy of a noble and meaningful history but as an arbitrary formation of materialist relations, Europe is not the master continent because of it's convenient geographic location but because the European people are greater than all others, it does not require a change in the system of production to improve the conditions of the people but simply the will and intellect of a great man to lead us, it is not because of a faceless system of exploitation and class relations that you and your community are suffering but is because of the evil Jew.

We must beware of Fascism above all else because it is our very shadow.

I like this take, but think that socialists cannot fight this threat without adopting those national and traditional elements and celebrating them rather than opposing nationalism and so on, they can support international solidarity instead and left-nationalism based around communalism and shared culture, supporting other nations in doing this too.

[Hanafuridake]

I like this take, but think that socialists cannot fight this threat without adopting those national and traditional elements and celebrating them rather than opposing nationalism and so on, they can support international solidarity instead and left-nationalism based around communalism and shared culture, supporting other nations in doing this too.

What national and traditional elements of Welsh or British history do you adopt?

[Ostroeuropa]

I like this take, but think that socialists cannot fight this threat without adopting those national and traditional elements and celebrating them rather than opposing nationalism and so on, they can support international solidarity instead and left-nationalism based around communalism and shared culture, supporting other nations in doing this too.

What national and traditional elements of Welsh or British history do you adopt?

The disruption of these elements and alienation of people from their culture is part of the grievance against capitalism and its relentless maximization of profit, so this is a kind of "Well if you don't like capitalism why buy things" response if it was meant in terms of "Well what do you do about it".

If it's meant as a question in terms of what should be adopted, i'd say probably rituals and festivals surrounding the pagan religion and syncreticism with christianity, emphasis on family structures and clan ties, heathenry and naturalism, nationalism, and so on. There's also food and the like, as well as reading the appropriate texts in the discourse of the civilization.

[Nova Cyberia]

Intersectionality is a strategy of supporting non-class identity politics groups and then being surprised when they're co-opted by capitalism and want nothing more to do with you.

Co-opting people is fairly easy when the alternative one is presented with is lunacy.

[Democratic Communist Federation]

That's implying that intersectionality excludes class, which, it doesn't.

The liberal take on it, however does. Hence the problems which arise as a result (marginalized people seeing other marginalized people as an enemy, not as fellow marginalized people)

Intersectionality was developed by a Leftist, not a liberal. If liberals distort is, that is their own problem.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Pushing a failed economic system alongside it does not rehabilitate intersectionality.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

I am authoritarian, although I’m not sure if totalitarian is accurate...

Well, totalitarianism is a system of government that is centralized and dictatorial and requires complete subservience to the state, so to me there’s not much of a difference. No matter which I’m still deathly afraid of it.

EDIT: Fixed quote.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

I’ve said before, I’m deathly afraid of authoritarianism and totalitarianism.

Well, totalitarianism is a system of government that is centralized and dictatorial and requires complete subservience to the state, so to me there’s not much of a difference. No matter which I’m still deathly afraid of it.

Why did you edit that quote?

[New yugoslavaia]

Hey, I've come up with my own sort of political spectrum. Feel free to critique.
Basically, it goes something like this...

Both the left and the right are split into 3x3 boxes. The middle row would go like "Centre-moderate-far". The top would catalog the more authoritarian ideologies while bottom row is the opposite. However, these two boxes would be split into 3 boxes, each one representing the afformentioned trio of states (E.g. Moderate left would be centre-moderate, true moderate and far-moderate). The centre would still exist but only as a single collum as centre-right and centre-left would exist as the centre boxes, so only truly centrist ideologies and their authoritarian and liberal/anarchist variants would sit there.

Might expand on this later.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Well, totalitarianism is a system of government that is centralized and dictatorial and requires complete subservience to the state, so to me there’s not much of a difference. No matter which I’m still deathly afraid of it.

Why did you edit that quote?

I pressed the wrong series of buttons when I tried to make a new post, so I accidentally edited it instead. That’s my bad.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Now fixed.

[Kowani]

Hey, I've come up with my own sort of political spectrum. Feel free to critique.
Basically, it goes something like this...

Both the left and the right are split into 3x3 boxes. The middle row would go like "Centre-moderate-far". The top would catalog the more authoritarian ideologies while bottom row is the opposite. However, these two boxes would be split into 3 boxes, each one representing the afformentioned trio of states (E.g. Moderate left would be centre-moderate, true moderate and far-moderate). The centre would still exist but only as a single collum as centre-right and centre-left would exist as the centre boxes, so only truly centrist ideologies and their authoritarian and liberal/anarchist variants would sit there.

Might expand on this later.

I don’t suppose you could draw this?

[New yugoslavaia]

Hey, I've come up with my own sort of political spectrum. Feel free to critique.
Basically, it goes something like this...

Both the left and the right are split into 3x3 boxes. The middle row would go like "Centre-moderate-far". The top would catalog the more authoritarian ideologies while bottom row is the opposite. However, these two boxes would be split into 3 boxes, each one representing the afformentioned trio of states (E.g. Moderate left would be centre-moderate, true moderate and far-moderate). The centre would still exist but only as a single collum as centre-right and centre-left would exist as the centre boxes, so only truly centrist ideologies and their authoritarian and liberal/anarchist variants would sit there.

Might expand on this later.

I don’t suppose you could draw this?

I can try. I only really have Ms paint though.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Hey, I've come up with my own sort of political spectrum. Feel free to critique.
Basically, it goes something like this...

Both the left and the right are split into 3x3 boxes. The middle row would go like "Centre-moderate-far". The top would catalog the more authoritarian ideologies while bottom row is the opposite. However, these two boxes would be split into 3 boxes, each one representing the afformentioned trio of states (E.g. Moderate left would be centre-moderate, true moderate and far-moderate). The centre would still exist but only as a single collum as centre-right and centre-left would exist as the centre boxes, so only truly centrist ideologies and their authoritarian and liberal/anarchist variants would sit there.

Might expand on this later.

You mean like this?

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Hey, I've come up with my own sort of political spectrum. Feel free to critique.
Basically, it goes something like this...

Both the left and the right are split into 3x3 boxes. The middle row would go like "Centre-moderate-far". The top would catalog the more authoritarian ideologies while bottom row is the opposite. However, these two boxes would be split into 3 boxes, each one representing the afformentioned trio of states (E.g. Moderate left would be centre-moderate, true moderate and far-moderate). The centre would still exist but only as a single collum as centre-right and centre-left would exist as the centre boxes, so only truly centrist ideologies and their authoritarian and liberal/anarchist variants would sit there.

Might expand on this later.

You mean like this?

Looking at that I have to wonder, do “true moderates” actually exist? Cuz, to me, a true moderate would be someone who has almost literally no political opinions on anything, and everyone generally has an opinion on everything.