NationStates

First American Empire wrote:

Nakena wrote:
Theres nothing wrong with 3rd Position Gang either :^)

If you don't like either of those, we SocDems would love to have you.

Thank god, somebody with a rational ideology.

Cekoviu wrote:

First American Empire wrote:
If you don't like either of those, we SocDems would love to have you.

Thank god, somebody with a rational ideology.

Oh no not Rational Ideologies, my one true nemesis.

Jolthig wrote:Any Maoists in here?

Mao's form of communism was detrimental to China, not here.

Ostroeuropa wrote:

Kubra wrote: So no plaid voters among you lot, then?

Not currently, though if NI+Scotland bugger off we'll probably back independence in order to rejoin the EU and potentially align with the other celtic nations, albeit, with re-Unionist sympathies.

Well not currently, but what about historically?

The South Falls wrote:

Jolthig wrote:Any Maoists in here?

Mao's form of communism was detrimental to China, not here.

Well of course lol.

Even the CPC acknowledged its harm despite not admitting it is completely bad for China as they still in theory, ascribe to it.

Kubra wrote:

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Not currently, though if NI+Scotland bugger off we'll probably back independence in order to rejoin the EU and potentially align with the other celtic nations, albeit, with re-Unionist sympathies.

Well not currently, but what about historically?

I'm not sure. Welsh Nationalism is a relatively recent phenomanae, 19th century, and has never been mainstream. Primarily the Welsh were concerned with disestablishment of the Church of England.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_nat ... th_century

Cekoviu wrote:

First American Empire wrote:
If you don't like either of those, we SocDems would love to have you.

Thank god, somebody with a rational ideology.

Classic SocDem had its merit. Then came Tony Blair and Gerhard Schroeder. After them smoothe brigades took over. And then came pasokification. And then they werent anymore.

To be honest though I am close to classic socdem on a number of issues.

Nakena wrote:

Cekoviu wrote:Thank god, somebody with a rational ideology.

Classic SocDem had its merit. Then came Tony Blair and Gerhard Schroeder. After them smoothe brigades took over. And then came pasokification. And then they werent anymore.

To be honest though I am close to classic socdem on a number of issues.

Tony Blair is a gud boi tho

Cekoviu wrote:

Nakena wrote:
Classic SocDem had its merit. Then came Tony Blair and Gerhard Schroeder. After them smoothe brigades took over. And then came pasokification. And then they werent anymore.

To be honest though I am close to classic socdem on a number of issues.

Tony Blair is a gud boi tho

He heralded the trend that ultimatively killed social democracy in Europe.

Also say that in the UK thread. I dare you.

Ostroeuropa wrote:

Kubra wrote: Well not currently, but what about historically?

I'm not sure. Welsh Nationalism is a relatively recent phenomanae, 19th century, and has never been mainstream. Primarily the Welsh were concerned with disestablishment of the Church of England.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_nat ... th_century

And? You had ancestors in the 19th century, no?

Nakena wrote:

Cekoviu wrote:Tony Blair is a gud boi tho

He heralded the trend that ultimatively killed social democracy in Europe.

Also say that in the UK thread. I dare you.

>killed social democracy in Europe
>Labour Party has the second largest number of seats in the UK, SPD in Germany is second by overall votes and in the ruling coalition, PSOE is in power in Spain, Löfvén is still in power in Sweden (albeit with declining S votes), SDP in Finland is the largest party in their parliament...
lolk

Jolthig wrote:

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I think there was one guy who held to Maoism a few years back but I don't know of any current followers of the ideology.

I have a soft spot and interest for certain facets of Maoist thought ie the Peoples War and such things but little more beyond that.

What do you think of the Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution?

When your country was the greatest civilization on the planet but you decide to destroy all that because some German dude with a beard said class war was more important.

Hanafuridake wrote:

Jolthig wrote:What do you think of the Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution?

When your country was the greatest civilization on the planet but you decide to destroy all that because some German dude with a beard said class war was more important.

Mondays, am I right?

Hanafuridake wrote:

Jolthig wrote:What do you think of the Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution?

When your country was the greatest civilization on the planet but you decide to destroy all that because some German dude with a beard said class war was more important.

It could hardly have been called the greatest in the 20th century.

And in any case, the long march was a very formative event for the character of the CPC, and weeeeelll not really in a good way.

Jolthig wrote:

The South Falls wrote:Mao's form of communism was detrimental to China, not here.

Well of course lol.

Even the CPC acknowledged its harm despite not admitting it is completely bad for China as they still in theory, ascribe to it.

they're absolutely murderous dishonest fucks.

Kubra wrote:

Ostroeuropa wrote:
I'm not sure. Welsh Nationalism is a relatively recent phenomanae, 19th century, and has never been mainstream. Primarily the Welsh were concerned with disestablishment of the Church of England.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_nat ... th_century

And? You had ancestors in the 19th century, no?

It's very unlikely they were Welsh nationalists in the sense of Plaid Cymru, almost nobody was, but Welsh Nationalism in the sense i'm discussing was still prevalent.

Ostroeuropa wrote:

Kubra wrote: And? You had ancestors in the 19th century, no?

It's very unlikely they were Welsh nationalists in the sense of Plaid Cymru, almost nobody was, but Welsh Nationalism in the sense i'm discussing was still prevalent.

So when you say "the majority of the working class is nationalist", you're going to have to specify, aren't you?

Kubra wrote:

Ostroeuropa wrote:
It's very unlikely they were Welsh nationalists in the sense of Plaid Cymru, almost nobody was, but Welsh Nationalism in the sense i'm discussing was still prevalent.

So when you say "the majority of the working class is nationalist", you're going to have to specify, aren't you?

They're probably not all into the multicultural mumbo jumbo at the least.

Nakena wrote:

Kubra wrote: So when you say "the majority of the working class is nationalist", you're going to have to specify, aren't you?

They're probably not all into the multicultural mumbo jumbo at the least.

Pretty much this.

Nakena wrote:

Kubra wrote: So when you say "the majority of the working class is nationalist", you're going to have to specify, aren't you?

They're probably not all into the multicultural mumbo jumbo at the least.

Quite unfortunately.

Jolthig wrote:Any Maoists in here?

Just saw this, and I used to be. I'm more of a generic Marxist/communist now.

Bojikami wrote:

Jolthig wrote:Any Maoists in here?

Just saw this, and I used to be. I'm more of a generic Marxist/communist now.

Ah.

I used to have my own Maoist phase, somewhat when I was 13 xD

Jolthig wrote:

Bojikami wrote:Just saw this, and I used to be. I'm more of a generic Marxist/communist now.

Ah.

I used to have my own Maoist phase, somewhat when I was 13 xD

I've never even been vaguely authoritarian, even in my bizarre ideologies phase (I swung the opposite way in the most extreme possible manner).

Cekoviu wrote:

Jolthig wrote:Ah.

I used to have my own Maoist phase, somewhat when I was 13 xD

I've never even been vaguely authoritarian, even in my bizarre ideologies phase (I swung the opposite way in the most extreme possible manner).

oof

I think everyone has been into some weird ideology at some point. My worst "phase" was probably being an authoritarian socialist as edgy teenager. Unless you want to count it as phase when I almost got brainwashed into 21th century National Socialism. That was some different kind of madness though.

Cekoviu wrote:

Jolthig wrote:Ah.

I used to have my own Maoist phase, somewhat when I was 13 xD

I've never even been vaguely authoritarian, even in my bizarre ideologies phase (I swung the opposite way in the most extreme possible manner).

I've gone from Marxist-Leninist, to Full-Blown IS-8 Tank, to Marxist-Leninist-Maoist, to Orthodox Marxist, to someone who doesn't really give a shit on what tendency one identifies with. I'm a Communist. A Marxist. I stand with the working class and all those downtrodden by society. Aside from the initial organizing, the society we create post revolution will be built by the working class. I still have a soft spot for Stalin and Mao tho