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Which Book on Leftist Ideology is Your Preferred Book?

The Communist Manifesto (Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels)
23
18%
The Conquest of Bread (Peter Kropotkin)
24
19%
Das Kapital (Karl Marx)
21
16%
What is Property? (Pierre-Joseph Proudhon)
2
2%
Guerilla Warfare (Che Guevara)
8
6%
Mutual Aid (Peter Kropotkin)
2
2%
Profit Over People (Noam Chomsky)
4
3%
The Ego and Its Own (Max Stirner)
8
6%
Debt: The First 5,000 Years (David Graeber)
5
4%
Other (Please Explain)
32
25%
 
Total votes : 129

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Postby Kowani » Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:22 am

North German Realm wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:
For some reason, I keep thinking that the Rushdie fatwa happened a lot later than it actually did.

I meant less in a moral sense and more that Trump seems incapable of creating functional sentences at times.

I meant the same too. You haven't heard some of Khomeini's speeches, and sadly, the tragically comedic effect is lost when you translate them, but suffice it to say that he is almost consistently known among Iranians for not being able to make any form of sentence. Trump can be incoherent once in a while, but even at his worst, you can still get the gist of what he's trying to say.

We had one like that as well. Rajoy. Not all of it works on English, but he flubbed his lines every chance he got.
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Postby Kubra » Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:29 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Kubra wrote: What, another irish ghetto? Where?


The Irish were culturally similar to the other european immigrants, the US was also founded as a colonial nation of immigrants. As I said, i'm talking about a European context in European nations.
Bud, if you said the irish were culturally similar back in the day, that's a whuppin'. What sort of life-valuing guy would show up to the annual orange march and say "you know, you lot are pretty similar"?
I referenced the know-nothings earlier, the folks who figured there was a papal conspiracy to take over the United States and that the irish were the advanced guard. As mentioned earlier, they swept the east coast pretty tidely considering their small size. Say "nation of immigrants" all you want, but it doesn't change the fact of what happened to the guys who didn't meet a certain 3 categories. You're therefore going to have to say something more concrete than simply clutching a truism like a talisman against evil.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:37 am

Kubra wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
The Irish were culturally similar to the other european immigrants, the US was also founded as a colonial nation of immigrants. As I said, i'm talking about a European context in European nations.
Bud, if you said the irish were culturally similar back in the day, that's a whuppin'. What sort of life-valuing guy would show up to the annual orange march and say "you know, you lot are pretty similar"?
I referenced the know-nothings earlier, the folks who figured there was a papal conspiracy to take over the United States and that the irish were the advanced guard. As mentioned earlier, they swept the east coast pretty tidely considering their small size. Say "nation of immigrants" all you want, but it doesn't change the fact of what happened to the guys who didn't meet a certain 3 categories. You're therefore going to have to say something more concrete than simply clutching a truism like a talisman against evil.


The complaints of the know-nothings were based on spurious paranoia and unfounded claims. Some of the complaints about Muslims are based in peer-reviewed data.

For example you've got the issue of inbreeding.

55% of British Pakistanis are married to their cousins, and this has occurred for multiple generations. As a consequence, British Pakistanis have a lower IQ than other groups (Despite IQ being dodgy, in this case it's a decent shorthand for general lower intelligence), and 1300% more genetic diseases. They account for fully 33% of children with genetic disorders in the united kingdom, despite being less than 2% of the population, and account for a highly disproportionate number of stillbirths. The costs to the NHS, social services, education, crime and policing, welfare and so on, are highly disproportionate for their demographic and may well be more than a society can bare if the number of them increases further.

Rejecting a Pakistani immigrant in favor of someone from elsewhere is a better choice for your country given these facts.

This is just *one* issue with the culture being bad for society.

Now I want you to imagine a ghetto where half of the population are too inbred to be able to be literate to an acceptable standard, and how this would impact the other half in terms of peer-to-peer learning, normalization of certain behaviors, and so on.

Cracking down on these kinds of cultural practices is essential, but it can only happen if we acknowledge their culture needs to be changed.

For Pakistanis for example, it means that accepting another 1 million of them would mean they account for 66% of genetic diseases in the UK, and increase the number of genetic disorders in the country to 133% of its current total, ish.

These are lifelong conditions, so we need to take a timescale in terms of decades to understand it.

If over the next 50 years, Pakistani immigration continues at the rate it has, we will see the number of genetic diseases in the UK increase by an order of magnitude, with the consequential loss in productivity, health, need for welfare, and so on.
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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:39 am

Nakena wrote:Which as result led to the rise of a new far-right movement in Germany and beyond, and likely also contributed to the election of Donald Trump and Brexit.


She could not have anticipated either of those things. In any event, many factors led to those situations, not just the Syrian refugees in Germany.

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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:40 am

North German Realm wrote:That's one of my few problems with her. Welcoming Muslims into your country -in any capacity, in any form- is generally a mistake, and this one is something that she's been forced to bullshit her way through ever since.


Why are you making an Islamophobic comment in response to my statement?

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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:43 am

North German Realm wrote:Having any number of Muslims is inherently harmful for any country in multiple aspects (including its culture, civil rights, and safety). Europe isn't really an exception in that front.


That is definitely incorrect, especially in my own country (the U.S.).

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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:44 am

Al Mumtahanah wrote:Israel prepares to demolish 100 Palestinian homes in its continuing battle for white supremacist colonialism

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2019 ... 43910.html


Yes. I despise the behavior of that country, and my parents were both Jewish.

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Postby North German Realm » Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:47 am

Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
North German Realm wrote:That's one of my few problems with her. Welcoming Muslims into your country -in any capacity, in any form- is generally a mistake, and this one is something that she's been forced to bullshit her way through ever since.


Why are you making an Islamophobic comment in response to my statement?

A statement being "yours" doesn't make it closed to response by other individuals posting on a thread.

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North German Realm wrote:Having any number of Muslims is inherently harmful for any country in multiple aspects (including its culture, civil rights, and safety). Europe isn't really an exception in that front.


That is definitely incorrect, especially in my own country (the U.S.).

Yeah. Except that along with White Supremacists and Christian Extremists bombing abortion clinics, Muslims are responsible for all terrorist acts in your country. Of course, given you have the much larger and much more relevant problem of white supremacy, the inherent harm Islam causes is inevitably minuscule in comparison.
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Postby Kubra » Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:49 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Kubra wrote: Bud, if you said the irish were culturally similar back in the day, that's a whuppin'. What sort of life-valuing guy would show up to the annual orange march and say "you know, you lot are pretty similar"?
I referenced the know-nothings earlier, the folks who figured there was a papal conspiracy to take over the United States and that the irish were the advanced guard. As mentioned earlier, they swept the east coast pretty tidely considering their small size. Say "nation of immigrants" all you want, but it doesn't change the fact of what happened to the guys who didn't meet a certain 3 categories. You're therefore going to have to say something more concrete than simply clutching a truism like a talisman against evil.


The complaints of the know-nothings were based on spurious paranoia and unfounded claims. Some of the complaints about Muslims are based in peer-reviewed data.

For example you've got the issue of inbreeding.

55% of British Pakistanis are married to their cousins, and this has occurred for multiple generations. As a consequence, British Pakistanis have a lower IQ than other groups (Despite IQ being dodgy, in this case it's a decent shorthand for general lower intelligence), and 1300% more genetic diseases. They account for fully 33% of children with genetic disorders in the united kingdom, despite being less than 7% of the population. The costs to the NHS, social services, education, crime and policing, welfare and so on, are highly disproportionate for their demographic and may well be more than a society can bare if the number of them increases further.

Rejecting a Pakistani immigrant in favor of someone from elsewhere is a better choice for your country given these facts.

This is just *one* issue with the culture being bad for society.
Spurious and unfounded claims that carried them through both state and municipal elections despite not really being a party, just a loose collection of cranks.

yeah, pakistani immigrants have a weird inbreeding habit, and it's good to see us getting out of the muslim thing. They're estimated to be around 38-40% consanguineous in 2014, less than the reported rate in pakistan proper (around 60%) and down from a 2005 estimate of 55%.
Now, you see that's a difference of between 6%-17%. This is what I get at when I talk about generation, bruv. Unless you're of the opinion that cousin marriage is a thing they do for very pressing reasons, are you?
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:53 am

Kubra wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
The complaints of the know-nothings were based on spurious paranoia and unfounded claims. Some of the complaints about Muslims are based in peer-reviewed data.

For example you've got the issue of inbreeding.

55% of British Pakistanis are married to their cousins, and this has occurred for multiple generations. As a consequence, British Pakistanis have a lower IQ than other groups (Despite IQ being dodgy, in this case it's a decent shorthand for general lower intelligence), and 1300% more genetic diseases. They account for fully 33% of children with genetic disorders in the united kingdom, despite being less than 7% of the population. The costs to the NHS, social services, education, crime and policing, welfare and so on, are highly disproportionate for their demographic and may well be more than a society can bare if the number of them increases further.

Rejecting a Pakistani immigrant in favor of someone from elsewhere is a better choice for your country given these facts.

This is just *one* issue with the culture being bad for society.
Spurious and unfounded claims that carried them through both state and municipal elections despite not really being a party, just a loose collection of cranks.

yeah, pakistani immigrants have a weird inbreeding habit, and it's good to see us getting out of the muslim thing. They're estimated to be around 38-40% consanguineous in 2014, less than the reported rate in pakistan proper (around 60%) and down from a 2005 estimate of 55%.
Now, you see that's a difference of between 6%-17%. This is what I get at when I talk about generation, bruv.


I disagree that we're getting away from the "muslim" thing. Religiosity in general is a vehicle for justifying backwards traditions even if they aren't necessarily founded in the religion, as the religion provides the tools and training to just enforce and accept that kind of thing.

The inbreeding issue is one that has improved, but not to a degree i'm comfortable with. I think the practice needs to be banned, along with circumcision and a few other things, but one issue that has gotten worse over generations is the homophobia. UK muslims descended from immigrants are more homophobic than immigrant ones.
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Postby Kubra » Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:01 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Kubra wrote: Spurious and unfounded claims that carried them through both state and municipal elections despite not really being a party, just a loose collection of cranks.

yeah, pakistani immigrants have a weird inbreeding habit, and it's good to see us getting out of the muslim thing. They're estimated to be around 38-40% consanguineous in 2014, less than the reported rate in pakistan proper (around 60%) and down from a 2005 estimate of 55%.
Now, you see that's a difference of between 6%-17%. This is what I get at when I talk about generation, bruv.


I disagree that we're getting away from the "muslim" thing. Religiosity in general is a vehicle for justifying backwards traditions even if they aren't necessarily founded in the religion, as the religion provides the tools and training to just enforce and accept that kind of thing.

The inbreeding issue is one that has improved, but not to a degree i'm comfortable with. I think the practice needs to be banned, along with circumcision and a few other things, but one issue that has gotten worse over generations is the homophobia. UK muslims descended from immigrants are more homophobic than immigrant ones.
I mean I assume we are, insofar as Pakistan's inbreeding rate differs quite a bit from other muslim countries, never mind internally (inbreeding among urban residents is estimated as low as 34%).
There's nothing in the quran or any hadith that mandates getting married to your cousin, bruv. Most muslims, you know, don't. Pakistans do, but in the cities where someone might tell them "marrying your cousin is going to fuck up your kids" they do so at quite a different rate.

Certainly, that is the case. The irish, remember the draft riots? 2nd gen still resembles 1st gen, sometimes they intensify in some categories. But hey, babies pop out, have some hanky panky at a boarding school, and the distance between son and father and great grandfather and so on seem's to expand.
I mean come now, do you come from a long line of radical whigs or something?
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:04 am

Kubra wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
I disagree that we're getting away from the "muslim" thing. Religiosity in general is a vehicle for justifying backwards traditions even if they aren't necessarily founded in the religion, as the religion provides the tools and training to just enforce and accept that kind of thing.

The inbreeding issue is one that has improved, but not to a degree i'm comfortable with. I think the practice needs to be banned, along with circumcision and a few other things, but one issue that has gotten worse over generations is the homophobia. UK muslims descended from immigrants are more homophobic than immigrant ones.
I mean I assume we are, insofar as Pakistan's inbreeding rate differs quite a bit from other muslim countries, never mind internally (inbreeding among urban residents is estimated as low as 34%).
There's nothing in the quran or any hadith that mandates getting married to your cousin, bruv. Most muslims, you know, don't. Pakistans do, but in the cities where someone might tell them "marrying your cousin is going to fuck up your kids" they do so at quite a different rate.

Certainly, that is the case. The irish, remember the draft riots? 2nd gen still resembles 1st gen, sometimes they intensify in some categories. But hey, babies pop out, have some hanky panky at a boarding school, and the distance between son and father and great grandfather and so on seem's to expand.
I mean come now, do you come from a long line of radical whigs or something?


You either didn't understand or didn't engage with the point I made regarding how this is still related to Islam.

I come from a long line of welsh socialists.
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Postby Kubra » Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:05 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Kubra wrote: I mean I assume we are, insofar as Pakistan's inbreeding rate differs quite a bit from other muslim countries, never mind internally (inbreeding among urban residents is estimated as low as 34%).
There's nothing in the quran or any hadith that mandates getting married to your cousin, bruv. Most muslims, you know, don't. Pakistans do, but in the cities where someone might tell them "marrying your cousin is going to fuck up your kids" they do so at quite a different rate.

Certainly, that is the case. The irish, remember the draft riots? 2nd gen still resembles 1st gen, sometimes they intensify in some categories. But hey, babies pop out, have some hanky panky at a boarding school, and the distance between son and father and great grandfather and so on seem's to expand.
I mean come now, do you come from a long line of radical whigs or something?


I come from a long line of welsh socialists.
With a nationalist bent, I presume?
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:06 am

Kubra wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
I come from a long line of welsh socialists.
With a nationalist bent, I presume?


Like most of the working classes, I am a nationalist and so is my family. To my knowledge so were my forebears.
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Postby Kubra » Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:10 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Kubra wrote: With a nationalist bent, I presume?


Like most of the working classes, I am a nationalist and so is my family. To my knowledge so were my forebears.
Well, what sort of nationalism?
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Postby Esheaun Stroakuss » Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:11 am

With each passing day, I'm closer and closer to the left again. I hate the establishments on both sides of the Atlantic and I feel that we need a change. Not full on communism, though.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:17 am

Kubra wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Like most of the working classes, I am a nationalist and so is my family. To my knowledge so were my forebears.
Well, what sort of nationalism?


Well just in this couple of generations there's a general theme which I suppose may go back further.

We're fans of the discourse of the united kingdom and western civilization as a whole and consider it and them superior to most other societies to the extent that we regard intervention to be permissible, where it is economically and diplomatically wise to do so. We lament the Empires mismanagement and fall alongside lamenting its treatment of occupied nations and don't experience a problem doing both at once.

We think the nation is a fundamental unit for standing up to global capitalism and that globalism and multiculturalism and so on, along with the undermining of nationalism, are due to the rich fearing national interests will be used to end their shenanigans.

We like the commonwealth and the EU. We were vaguely in favor of a European federation but not opposed to the status quo, briefly swung in favor of Brexit during the referendum, before becoming undecided in time for the vote, and now are pro-EU.

We like our culture and want to see it preserved and continue.

Probably the biggest disagreement is over international feminism and its role in the UN and so on. No prizes for guessing why.

I am Welsh, British, and European, then Western. All of those comprise part of my national identity, and this appears to be the case for my mother and grandmother too. Primarily I am Welsh. I hold loyalty to Britain, but more to Wales. So it goes for Europe and so on.
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Postby Torrocca » Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:44 am

Esheaun Stroakuss wrote:With each passing day, I'm closer and closer to the left again. I hate the establishments on both sides of the Atlantic and I feel that we need a change. Not full on communism, though.


There's nothing wrong with going for some type of Socialism (obviously a non-authoritarian type, of course) if Communism's too much for you. :3
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Postby The South Falls » Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:51 am

Torrocca wrote:
Esheaun Stroakuss wrote:With each passing day, I'm closer and closer to the left again. I hate the establishments on both sides of the Atlantic and I feel that we need a change. Not full on communism, though.


There's nothing wrong with going for some type of Socialism (obviously a non-authoritarian type, of course) if Communism's too much for you. :3

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Postby Nakena » Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:53 am

Torrocca wrote:
Esheaun Stroakuss wrote:With each passing day, I'm closer and closer to the left again. I hate the establishments on both sides of the Atlantic and I feel that we need a change. Not full on communism, though.


There's nothing wrong with going for some type of Socialism (obviously a non-authoritarian type, of course) if Communism's too much for you. :3


Theres nothing wrong with 3rd Position Gang either :^)
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Postby Torrocca » Mon Jul 22, 2019 11:12 am

Nakena wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
There's nothing wrong with going for some type of Socialism (obviously a non-authoritarian type, of course) if Communism's too much for you. :3


Theres nothing wrong with 3rd Position Gang either :^)


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Jolthig wrote:Lol why

“Und Mirza”

:lol2:

Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Isn't that what NSG is for though to a degree?

YOU’RE WRONG.

Allow me to explain using several fallacies, veiled insults, and insinuations that you’re ugly and dumb.

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Postby First American Empire » Mon Jul 22, 2019 11:39 am

Nakena wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
There's nothing wrong with going for some type of Socialism (obviously a non-authoritarian type, of course) if Communism's too much for you. :3


Theres nothing wrong with 3rd Position Gang either :^)


If you don't like either of those, we SocDems would love to have you. :)
The American Empire is a socially progressive and strongly anti-nationalist absolute monarchy ruled by the heirs of Emperor Norton.

Formerly Second Empire of America.

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Postby First American Empire » Mon Jul 22, 2019 11:41 am

North German Realm wrote:Having any number of Muslims is inherently harmful for any country in multiple aspects (including its culture, civil rights, and safety). Europe isn't really an exception in that front.


Muslims in the US are actually less conservative and less likely to support terrorism than the average American.

Source: https://www.pewforum.org/2017/07/26/fin ... s-muslims/
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The American Empire is a socially progressive and strongly anti-nationalist absolute monarchy ruled by the heirs of Emperor Norton.

Formerly Second Empire of America.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Jul 22, 2019 11:45 am

Jolthig wrote:Any Maoists in here?


I think there was one guy who held to Maoism a few years back but I don't know of any current followers of the ideology.

I have a soft spot and interest for certain facets of Maoist thought ie the Peoples War and such things but little more beyond that.

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