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Which Book on Leftist Ideology is Your Preferred Book?

The Communist Manifesto (Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels)
23
18%
The Conquest of Bread (Peter Kropotkin)
24
19%
Das Kapital (Karl Marx)
21
16%
What is Property? (Pierre-Joseph Proudhon)
2
2%
Guerilla Warfare (Che Guevara)
8
6%
Mutual Aid (Peter Kropotkin)
2
2%
Profit Over People (Noam Chomsky)
4
3%
The Ego and Its Own (Max Stirner)
8
6%
Debt: The First 5,000 Years (David Graeber)
5
4%
Other (Please Explain)
32
25%
 
Total votes : 129

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Postby Kowani » Sat Jul 20, 2019 8:36 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Seriously, find a new shtick. It's getting tiring.

Their constitution literally gives the government a blank check for censorship, as long as the government approves of the censorship the government wants to do.[/quote]
And the US Constitution allows the government a blank check to invade people’s houses if the government approves of the invasion. Your point?

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Til they're imitating Auschwitz or a gulag, the holding centers are not concentration camps.

Death camps and concentration camps are not the same thing. Learn the difference.
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As a Canadian? I find Americans and their deep, deep distrust of the government to be fundamentally, critically, laughably flawed. I find some aspects of your country completely absurd. The distrust of anything remotely resembling authority is one. The gun problem that stems from that is another.

Seangoli wrote:You are spouting nonsensical drivel with no coherent thought, little logic, and at the end of it all just angry opining at the clouds based on a truly astonishly low level of knowledge or understanding of the subject matter.

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Postby Proctopeo » Sat Jul 20, 2019 8:37 pm

Kowani wrote:And the US Constitution allows the government a blank check to invade people’s houses if the government approves of the invasion. Your point?

The rest of my post is my point.

Read it sometime, instead of going whatabout ;)
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Postby Kowani » Sat Jul 20, 2019 8:41 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Kowani wrote:And the US Constitution allows the government a blank check to invade people’s houses if the government approves of the invasion. Your point?

The rest of my post is my point.

Read it sometime, instead of going whatabout ;)

Yeah, I’m not defending all of Germany’s speech laws.
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Prydania wrote:
As a Canadian? I find Americans and their deep, deep distrust of the government to be fundamentally, critically, laughably flawed. I find some aspects of your country completely absurd. The distrust of anything remotely resembling authority is one. The gun problem that stems from that is another.

Seangoli wrote:You are spouting nonsensical drivel with no coherent thought, little logic, and at the end of it all just angry opining at the clouds based on a truly astonishly low level of knowledge or understanding of the subject matter.

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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Sun Jul 21, 2019 10:49 pm

First American Empire wrote:Angela Merkel is one of the few conservative politicians I respect, precisely because of stuff like this. I may prefer the Greens and SPD, but she's done an admirable job as Chancellor of Germany and (since 2017) as Leader of the Free World.


She welcomed Syrian immigrants when many other European countries were turning them away.

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Postby Nakena » Sun Jul 21, 2019 10:52 pm

Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
First American Empire wrote:Angela Merkel is one of the few conservative politicians I respect, precisely because of stuff like this. I may prefer the Greens and SPD, but she's done an admirable job as Chancellor of Germany and (since 2017) as Leader of the Free World.


She welcomed Syrian immigrants when many other European countries were turning them away.


Which as result led to the rise of a new far-right movement in Germany and beyond, and likely also contributed to the election of Donald Trump and Brexit.
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Postby North German Realm » Sun Jul 21, 2019 10:55 pm

Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
First American Empire wrote:Angela Merkel is one of the few conservative politicians I respect, precisely because of stuff like this. I may prefer the Greens and SPD, but she's done an admirable job as Chancellor of Germany and (since 2017) as Leader of the Free World.


She welcomed Syrian immigrants when many other European countries were turning them away.

That's one of my few problems with her. Welcoming Muslims into your country -in any capacity, in any form- is generally a mistake, and this one is something that she's been forced to bullshit her way through ever since.
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Postby Al Mumtahanah » Sun Jul 21, 2019 10:55 pm

Nakena wrote:
Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
She welcomed Syrian immigrants when many other European countries were turning them away.


Which as result led to the rise of a new far-right movement in Germany and beyond, and likely also contributed to the election of Donald Trump and Brexit.

Not being white nationalist leads to nationalism?
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Rojava Free State wrote:How about if I don't wanna learn about Islam I shouldn't have to?

Makes about as much sense as letting kids decide that if they don't wanna eat then they shouldn't have to.

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Postby Nakena » Sun Jul 21, 2019 10:57 pm

North German Realm wrote:
Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
She welcomed Syrian immigrants when many other European countries were turning them away.

That's one of my few problems with her. Welcoming Muslims into your country -in any capacity, in any form- is generally a mistake, and this one is something that she's been forced to bullshit her way through ever since.


But saying so is not only heretic to left-liberal orthodoxy it is also raycist.

According to the prevailing views in the mainstream media that is. And anyone who opposes is an almost literal nazi.

It will, however, in the long run lead to some serious problems.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sun Jul 21, 2019 10:57 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
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That's a bit of an extreme claim.

First off while he did lose the popular vote, he won the electoral college which is the legal/ACTUAL method by which the president of the US is elected. With that in mind I would hardly say that he stole the election, but rather that he won the votes of the people/places that it mattered most. Honestly you people need to come to grips with that fact.

The issue is that fucking Wyoming and South Dakota don't matter most. They're extremely insignificant to the overall economy of the United States, but a person in Wyoming's vote counts for four times as much as someone in Texas's. That's not fair to the American people and it shouldn't be the case.


Welsh votes matter more than English ones too in terms of amount of representation it gives. It's part of the price countries sometimes pay in order to keep a union together. It's all well and good to demand one person one vote and equal representation when its not your way of life under threat.

The problem is soluble with more states rights, but we all know that will never happen and neither party would allow it, with dissolving the union, or with a dominant culture enforcing their views on a weaker one and effectively ending once and for all their chance at self-determination.

Nobody seems to bat an eye at celtic countries having these concessions, nor other arrangements in other countries which are similar.

More voting power to rural and culturally distinct areas is a price nations pay for a strong federal government. Those costs go up if the cultural and political differences are significant, which they often are. It happens practically everywhere.

In the UK, you've got some people whose vote counts for four times as much as other peoples. That's 10% more disproportionate than the US, comparing Wyoming and California at the extremes.
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Postby Al Mumtahanah » Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:00 pm

Nakena wrote:
North German Realm wrote:That's one of my few problems with her. Welcoming Muslims into your country -in any capacity, in any form- is generally a mistake, and this one is something that she's been forced to bullshit her way through ever since.


But saying so is not only heretic to left-liberal orthodoxy it is also raycist.

According to the prevailing views in the mainstream media.

It will, however, in the long run lead to some serious problems.

Islam allows for a critique of society from a new angle. Fatima Barkatulla talked in her show about how immodest dress is a form of sexual harassment of men by women. A lot of Europeans today don't even consider issues like sexual harassment of men.
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Rojava Free State wrote:How about if I don't wanna learn about Islam I shouldn't have to?

Makes about as much sense as letting kids decide that if they don't wanna eat then they shouldn't have to.

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Postby Kowani » Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:02 pm

Al Mumtahanah wrote:
Nakena wrote:
But saying so is not only heretic to left-liberal orthodoxy it is also raycist.

According to the prevailing views in the mainstream media.

It will, however, in the long run lead to some serious problems.

Islam allows for a critique of society from a new angle. Fatima Barkatulla talked in her show about how immodest dress is a form of sexual harassment of men by women.

Yeah, that’s fucking stupid.
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As a Canadian? I find Americans and their deep, deep distrust of the government to be fundamentally, critically, laughably flawed. I find some aspects of your country completely absurd. The distrust of anything remotely resembling authority is one. The gun problem that stems from that is another.

Seangoli wrote:You are spouting nonsensical drivel with no coherent thought, little logic, and at the end of it all just angry opining at the clouds based on a truly astonishly low level of knowledge or understanding of the subject matter.

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Postby North German Realm » Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:04 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:Welsh votes matter more than English ones too in terms of amount of representation it gives. It's part of the price countries sometimes pay in order to keep a union together. It's all well and good to demand one person one vote and equal representation when its not your way of life under threat.

The problem is soluble with more states rights, but we all know that will never happen and neither party would allow it, with dissolving the union, or with a dominant culture enforcing their views on a weaker one and effectively ending once and for all their chance at self-determination.

The latter was possible, and should have been done right after the American Civil War, but we all know where I stand regarding the Dixies and their petty attempt for making a state built on slavery.


Nakena wrote:
North German Realm wrote:That's one of my few problems with her. Welcoming Muslims into your country -in any capacity, in any form- is generally a mistake, and this one is something that she's been forced to bullshit her way through ever since.


But saying so is not only heretic to left-liberal orthodoxy it is also raycist.

According to the prevailing views in the mainstream media that is. And anyone who opposes is an almost literal nazi.

It will, however, in the long run lead to some serious problems.
Honestly? I agree that many who oppose it are literally nazis, but that's because the line between racially-oriented xenophobia and being anti-Islam is very fine, especially in Europe. Almost every single PEGIDA, for example, opposes Arabs and people of brown skin rather than Muslims.
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Postby Al Mumtahanah » Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:05 pm

Kowani wrote:
Al Mumtahanah wrote:Islam allows for a critique of society from a new angle. Fatima Barkatulla talked in her show about how immodest dress is a form of sexual harassment of men by women.

Yeah, that’s fucking stupid.

Just as flashing someone is a form of sexual assault, dressing in a provactive way can be harassment.
Ifreann wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:How about if I don't wanna learn about Islam I shouldn't have to?

Makes about as much sense as letting kids decide that if they don't wanna eat then they shouldn't have to.

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Postby North German Realm » Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:05 pm

Al Mumtahanah wrote:
Kowani wrote:Yeah, that’s fucking stupid.

Just as flashing someone is a form of sexual assault, dressing in a provactive way can be harassment.

Fucking lmao no it isn't.
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Postby Al Mumtahanah » Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:07 pm

Either way sexual harassment of men is being addressed by Muslims
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Ifreann wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:How about if I don't wanna learn about Islam I shouldn't have to?

Makes about as much sense as letting kids decide that if they don't wanna eat then they shouldn't have to.

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Postby Bojikami » Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:09 pm

Al Mumtahanah wrote:
Kowani wrote:Yeah, that’s fucking stupid.

Just as flashing someone is a form of sexual assault, dressing in a provactive way can be harassment.

Broke: Women who dress that way are just asking for it.

Woke: If they didn't want to have it happen to them, they just shouldn't leave the house!

BESPOKE: Women dressing immodestly is sexual assault against men.
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Postby Nakena » Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:10 pm

North German Realm wrote:Honestly? I agree that many who oppose it are literally nazis, but that's because the line between racially-oriented xenophobia and being anti-Islam is very fine, especially in Europe. Almost every single PEGIDA, for example, opposes Arabs and people of brown skin rather than Muslims.


Yes and thats a very big problem. Basically the only group that opposes Islam (however dubiously) are the far-right, with the left often having an appeasing or ignoring stance regarding the matter. Or even supporting it as potential ally in the fight against the "old white man" etc.

Its not a nice situation at all.

Also regarding the literal nazis. Thats what the mainsteam media in Europe is purpoting. Being against Islam is equated with being racist. ("Islamophobia" is the keyword here)
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Postby Al Mumtahanah » Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:11 pm

Bojikami wrote:
Al Mumtahanah wrote:Just as flashing someone is a form of sexual assault, dressing in a provactive way can be harassment.

Broke: Women who dress that way are just asking for it.

Woke: If they didn't want to have it happen to them, they just shouldn't leave the house!

BESPOKE: Women dressing immodestly is sexual assault against men.

She didn't suggest that at all, she said a woman dressing immodestly doesn't excuse rape.

You can see at 52 minutes when she talks about this

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/h ... 0379353482
Ifreann wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:How about if I don't wanna learn about Islam I shouldn't have to?

Makes about as much sense as letting kids decide that if they don't wanna eat then they shouldn't have to.

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Postby North German Realm » Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:13 pm

Nakena wrote:
North German Realm wrote:Honestly? I agree that many who oppose it are literally nazis, but that's because the line between racially-oriented xenophobia and being anti-Islam is very fine, especially in Europe. Almost every single PEGIDA, for example, opposes Arabs and people of brown skin rather than Muslims.


Yes and thats a very big problem. Basically the only group that opposes Islam (however dubiously) are the far-right, with the left often having an appeasing or ignoring stance regarding the matter. Or even supporting it as potential ally in the fight against the "old white man" etc.

Its not a nice situation at all.

Also regarding the literal nazis. Thats what the mainsteam media in Europe is purpoting. Being against Islam is equated with being racist. ("Islamophobia" is the keyword here)
That's the problem. Apart from a minority of ex-Muslims and other sane individuals, the loud majority of the critics of Islam in Europe are far-right, racially oriented, and authoritarian beyond belief (or a mix of these three traits).
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:15 pm

Kowani wrote:
Al Mumtahanah wrote:Islam allows for a critique of society from a new angle. Fatima Barkatulla talked in her show about how immodest dress is a form of sexual harassment of men by women.

Yeah, that’s fucking stupid.


It facilitates sexual harassment of men in terms of pathologizing male sexuality and treating men like there is something wrong with them for being attracted to women. It does not in itself constitute sexual harassment in my opinion. It's like arguing having a coffee machine in the office is sexual harassment because women will keep being asked to make coffee.
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Postby North German Realm » Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:17 pm

In all seriousness though, "women not wearing literal garbage sacks is sexual harassment of men" is the most incel comment I've ever heard in my life, and I'm not at all surprised it came from a Muslim.
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Postby Nakena » Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:23 pm

North German Realm wrote:
Nakena wrote:
Yes and thats a very big problem. Basically the only group that opposes Islam (however dubiously) are the far-right, with the left often having an appeasing or ignoring stance regarding the matter. Or even supporting it as potential ally in the fight against the "old white man" etc.

Its not a nice situation at all.

Also regarding the literal nazis. Thats what the mainsteam media in Europe is purpoting. Being against Islam is equated with being racist. ("Islamophobia" is the keyword here)
That's the problem. Apart from a minority of ex-Muslims and other sane individuals, the loud majority of the critics of Islam in Europe are far-right, racially oriented, and authoritarian beyond belief (or a mix of these three traits).


Indeed it is. There aren't many options to choose from. And all are somehow bad.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:23 pm

North German Realm wrote:
Nakena wrote:
Yes and thats a very big problem. Basically the only group that opposes Islam (however dubiously) are the far-right, with the left often having an appeasing or ignoring stance regarding the matter. Or even supporting it as potential ally in the fight against the "old white man" etc.

Its not a nice situation at all.

Also regarding the literal nazis. Thats what the mainsteam media in Europe is purpoting. Being against Islam is equated with being racist. ("Islamophobia" is the keyword here)
That's the problem. Apart from a minority of ex-Muslims and other sane individuals, the loud majority of the critics of Islam in Europe are far-right, racially oriented, and authoritarian beyond belief (or a mix of these three traits).


The far-right is the only place where its institutions aren't corrupted by Islamophilia. There are critics of Muslims all across the political spectrum, but only the far-right gives platform to those voices. An example is Sarah Champion, the Labour Party former Equalities Minister, who after the Rotherham scandal talked about a problem with the Pakistani community and their culture, and was forced to resign, thus denying her a platform to continue to say those things.
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Postby Al Mumtahanah » Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:26 pm

North German Realm wrote:In all seriousness though, "women not wearing literal garbage sacks is sexual harassment of men" is the most incel comment I've ever heard in my life, and I'm not at all surprised it came from a Muslim.

But Islam places great obligation on men as well, not to flirt with women and to lower their gaze when speaking to them. Very strongly against leering even at immodestly dressed women. As Fatima says the first comnand is given for men to lower their gaze and speak respectfully, the next says women must dress modestly.
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Rojava Free State wrote:How about if I don't wanna learn about Islam I shouldn't have to?

Makes about as much sense as letting kids decide that if they don't wanna eat then they shouldn't have to.

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:27 pm

Al Mumtahanah wrote:
North German Realm wrote:In all seriousness though, "women not wearing literal garbage sacks is sexual harassment of men" is the most incel comment I've ever heard in my life, and I'm not at all surprised it came from a Muslim.

But Islam places great obligation on men as well, not to flirt with women and to lower their gaze when speaking to them. Very strongly against leering even at immodestly dressed women. As Fatima says the first comnand is given for men to lower their gaze and speak respectfully, the next says women must dress modestly.


We've been there, done that, it sucked.
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