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Which Book on Leftist Ideology is Your Preferred Book?

The Communist Manifesto (Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels)
23
18%
The Conquest of Bread (Peter Kropotkin)
24
19%
Das Kapital (Karl Marx)
21
16%
What is Property? (Pierre-Joseph Proudhon)
2
2%
Guerilla Warfare (Che Guevara)
8
6%
Mutual Aid (Peter Kropotkin)
2
2%
Profit Over People (Noam Chomsky)
4
3%
The Ego and Its Own (Max Stirner)
8
6%
Debt: The First 5,000 Years (David Graeber)
5
4%
Other (Please Explain)
32
25%
 
Total votes : 129

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Washington Resistance Army
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Founded: Aug 08, 2011
Father Knows Best State

Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:25 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
If I storm ATF headquarters and try to kill everyone am I not a terrorist because they're not civilians?

They kind of are civilians. They may be government workers, but they're not leaders or soldiers.


Clearly you've never seen an IOI when they encounter a dog.

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Caracasus
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Posts: 7646
Founded: Apr 23, 2015
Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby Caracasus » Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:27 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Nakena wrote:
Molotov cocktails are more likely than not to set the entire site ablaze.


Tis worth noting that, iirc, his family has said he was suicidal and they believe this was his surefire (no pun intended) way of doing suicide by cop, not a valiant freedom fighter action. If true he probably wasn't actually trying to burn the place to the ground.


Yeah. The news stories kind of suggest that, and having read his manifesto it reads like someone who was looking for a way out and decided to go down doing something he believed in.

I believe his plan was to burn the buses that were rounding people up.
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Duhon
Minister
 
Posts: 3415
Founded: Nov 21, 2018
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Duhon » Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:31 am

A fucking shame.

If you're gonna do the right thing, fucking plan for every possible contingency, not go full Percy (or is it Perry? I dunno).

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Torrocca
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 24980
Founded: Dec 01, 2011
Democratic Socialists

Postby Torrocca » Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:36 am

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The Multiversal Communist Collective
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Posts: 1456
Founded: Nov 30, 2017
Left-wing Utopia

Postby The Multiversal Communist Collective » Mon Jul 15, 2019 11:38 am

Torrocca wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Sure, but other people do see it as a terrorist act, including more than a few of us locals. One mans freedom fighter is another mans terrorist.


Good for you. I disagree with that assertion.


As a left anarchist, how can you disagree with it?

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Ostroeuropa
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Posts: 51541
Founded: Jun 14, 2006
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Ostroeuropa » Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:23 am

Facebook actually made a shitload of money from a spike in investments after news that it would be fined 5 billion dollars hit.

Facebook shares actually jumped on the news, rising 1% on Friday to the highest they've been in the past year.

Tfw when your fines are so blatantly shit that issueing them is a government declaring a company is basically above the law and the company *gains* money.

Zuckerberg himself, just him, made a billion dollars from the news.
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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Founded: Aug 11, 2017
Anarchy

Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:25 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:Facebook actually made a shitload of money from a spike in investments after news that it would be fined 5 billion dollars hit.

Facebook shares actually jumped on the news, rising 1% on Friday to the highest they've been in the past year.

Tfw when your fines are so blatantly shit that issueing them is a government declaring a company is basically above the law and the company *gains* money.

Zuckerberg himself, just him, made a billion dollars from the news.

Why would investments spike?
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Ostroeuropa
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Founded: Jun 14, 2006
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Ostroeuropa » Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:33 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:Facebook actually made a shitload of money from a spike in investments after news that it would be fined 5 billion dollars hit.

Facebook shares actually jumped on the news, rising 1% on Friday to the highest they've been in the past year.

Tfw when your fines are so blatantly shit that issueing them is a government declaring a company is basically above the law and the company *gains* money.

Zuckerberg himself, just him, made a billion dollars from the news.

Why would investments spike?


Because facebook was caught violating peoples rights and was issued a fine so petty in comparison to its income that it became clear facebook was above the law.
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Nakena
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Founded: May 06, 2017
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Nakena » Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:37 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Why would investments spike?


Because facebook was caught violating peoples rights and was issued a fine so petty in comparison to its income that it became clear facebook was above the law.


Now Facebook is going to introduce its own currency "Libra" which causes already widespread concerns among the political and financial establishment. I am enjoying this upcoming fight.
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Duhon
Minister
 
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Founded: Nov 21, 2018
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Duhon » Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:18 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:Facebook actually made a shitload of money from a spike in investments after news that it would be fined 5 billion dollars hit.

Facebook shares actually jumped on the news, rising 1% on Friday to the highest they've been in the past year.

Tfw when your fines are so blatantly shit that issueing them is a government declaring a company is basically above the law and the company *gains* money.

Zuckerberg himself, just him, made a billion dollars from the news.


Basically, nothing but full dismantling will work when you're big enough to ignore five fucking billion dollars in fines.

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Nova Cyberia
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Posts: 4024
Founded: May 06, 2019
Iron Fist Consumerists

Postby Nova Cyberia » Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:48 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
North German Realm wrote:I mean, it's not the freeing people that's the terrorist act part, it's the means that the guy used for that end.


Bingo^

I gotta say, burning down the building holding the children is an odd way to go about saving them.
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Northern Davincia
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Posts: 12579
Founded: Jun 10, 2014
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Northern Davincia » Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:23 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:Facebook actually made a shitload of money from a spike in investments after news that it would be fined 5 billion dollars hit.

Facebook shares actually jumped on the news, rising 1% on Friday to the highest they've been in the past year.

Tfw when your fines are so blatantly shit that issueing them is a government declaring a company is basically above the law and the company *gains* money.

Zuckerberg himself, just him, made a billion dollars from the news.

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Liriena
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Left-wing Utopia

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United Muscovite Nations
Post Marshal
 
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Founded: Feb 01, 2017
Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby United Muscovite Nations » Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:03 pm


She's also in it for the money and doesn't really believe in it.
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Hanafuridake
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Founded: Sep 09, 2018
Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Hanafuridake » Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:07 pm



You needed a video to tell you that the single childless woman constantly exhorting white females to get married and make babies is a fraud?
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Torrocca
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Posts: 24980
Founded: Dec 01, 2011
Democratic Socialists

Postby Torrocca » Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:13 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:

She's also in it for the money and doesn't really believe in it.


Gotta love grifters, amirite?
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I am Her Majesty, Torra I, of the House Anarkittismo, NS's self-anointed Anarcho-Monarchist Queen. Now known as God-Empress Torra.
"Fascism is not debated, it is destroyed." - Buenaventura Durruti
"When the people are being hit with a stick, they are not happier if the stick is called “the stick of the people”. The State is an oppression that must be abolished."
I go by Torra and feminine pronouns! They/Them/Their are perfectly acceptable alternatives as well :3
Suggestions welcome!

Capital - Karl Marx and Frederich Engels
Wage Labor and Capital - Karl Marx
The Conquest of Bread - Peter Kropotkin
Mutual Aid - Peter Kropotkin
Statism and Anarchy - Mikhail Bakunin

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Hanafuridake
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Founded: Sep 09, 2018
Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Hanafuridake » Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:19 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:

She's also in it for the money and doesn't really believe in it.


Talk about being talentless.

I mean, I'm a NEET right now, so I'm not particularly one to talk. But at least I don't pander to alt-righters for money.
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Cerinda
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Cerinda » Fri Jul 19, 2019 4:11 pm

Ah yes, known Socialist Angela Merkel

Another big brained take from the White Nationalist cult leader.
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Cekoviu
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Cekoviu » Fri Jul 19, 2019 4:12 pm

Cerinda wrote:Ah yes, known Socialist Angela Merkel

Another big brained take from the White Nationalist cult leader.

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Torrocca
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Torrocca » Fri Jul 19, 2019 4:16 pm

Cerinda wrote:Ah yes, known Socialist Angela Merkel

Another big brained take from the White Nationalist cult leader.


Ah yes, famed leader of the center-right Christian Democratic Union is a Socialist.

Fucking Molyneux would probably blame Socialism for a spider biting him in his stupid fucking face.
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I am Her Majesty, Torra I, of the House Anarkittismo, NS's self-anointed Anarcho-Monarchist Queen. Now known as God-Empress Torra.
"Fascism is not debated, it is destroyed." - Buenaventura Durruti
"When the people are being hit with a stick, they are not happier if the stick is called “the stick of the people”. The State is an oppression that must be abolished."
I go by Torra and feminine pronouns! They/Them/Their are perfectly acceptable alternatives as well :3
Suggestions welcome!

Capital - Karl Marx and Frederich Engels
Wage Labor and Capital - Karl Marx
The Conquest of Bread - Peter Kropotkin
Mutual Aid - Peter Kropotkin
Statism and Anarchy - Mikhail Bakunin

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Democratic Socialists

Postby Kowani » Fri Jul 19, 2019 4:18 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Cerinda wrote:Ah yes, known Socialist Angela Merkel

Another big brained take from the White Nationalist cult leader.


Ah yes, famed leader of the center-right Christian Democratic Union is a Socialist.

Fucking Molyneux would probably blame Socialism for a spider biting him in his stupid fucking face.

Nah. Spiders own their means of production. They can’t Socialists.
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Torrocca
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Torrocca » Fri Jul 19, 2019 4:20 pm

Kowani wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Ah yes, famed leader of the center-right Christian Democratic Union is a Socialist.

Fucking Molyneux would probably blame Socialism for a spider biting him in his stupid fucking face.

Nah. Spiders own their means of production. They can’t Socialists.


Spiders are actually peak Socialists on account of owning their own MoP. :3
Libertarian Democratic Socialist. RAINBOW! Revolutionary Catalonia and Revolutionary Rojava Forever! ^_^
I am Her Majesty, Torra I, of the House Anarkittismo, NS's self-anointed Anarcho-Monarchist Queen. Now known as God-Empress Torra.
"Fascism is not debated, it is destroyed." - Buenaventura Durruti
"When the people are being hit with a stick, they are not happier if the stick is called “the stick of the people”. The State is an oppression that must be abolished."
I go by Torra and feminine pronouns! They/Them/Their are perfectly acceptable alternatives as well :3
Suggestions welcome!

Capital - Karl Marx and Frederich Engels
Wage Labor and Capital - Karl Marx
The Conquest of Bread - Peter Kropotkin
Mutual Aid - Peter Kropotkin
Statism and Anarchy - Mikhail Bakunin

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Hanafuridake
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Hanafuridake » Fri Jul 19, 2019 4:21 pm

Cerinda wrote:Ah yes, known Socialist Angela Merkel

Another big brained take from the White Nationalist cult leader.


Can you really call Molyneux a leader?

Leader implies he has some sort of intelligence and decision-making powers.
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Kowani
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Kowani » Fri Jul 19, 2019 4:22 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:
Cerinda wrote:Ah yes, known Socialist Angela Merkel

Another big brained take from the White Nationalist cult leader.


Can you really call Molyneux a leader?

Leader implies he has some sort of intelligence and decision-making powers.

Oof. :lol2:
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Post-Capitalist, Post-Nationalist.
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Prydania wrote:
As a Canadian? I find Americans and their deep, deep distrust of the government to be fundamentally, critically, laughably flawed. I find some aspects of your country completely absurd. The distrust of anything remotely resembling authority is one. The gun problem that stems from that is another.

Seangoli wrote:You are spouting nonsensical drivel with no coherent thought, little logic, and at the end of it all just angry opining at the clouds based on a truly astonishly low level of knowledge or understanding of the subject matter.

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Torrocca
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Torrocca » Fri Jul 19, 2019 4:23 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:
Cerinda wrote:Ah yes, known Socialist Angela Merkel

Another big brained take from the White Nationalist cult leader.


Can you really call Molyneux a leader?

Leader implies he has some sort of intelligence and decision-making powers.


What're you talking about? Spending an hour of your life screeching about a children's hour-and-a-half long animated movie because of women is actually the greatest measure of leadership imaginable.
Libertarian Democratic Socialist. RAINBOW! Revolutionary Catalonia and Revolutionary Rojava Forever! ^_^
I am Her Majesty, Torra I, of the House Anarkittismo, NS's self-anointed Anarcho-Monarchist Queen. Now known as God-Empress Torra.
"Fascism is not debated, it is destroyed." - Buenaventura Durruti
"When the people are being hit with a stick, they are not happier if the stick is called “the stick of the people”. The State is an oppression that must be abolished."
I go by Torra and feminine pronouns! They/Them/Their are perfectly acceptable alternatives as well :3
Suggestions welcome!

Capital - Karl Marx and Frederich Engels
Wage Labor and Capital - Karl Marx
The Conquest of Bread - Peter Kropotkin
Mutual Aid - Peter Kropotkin
Statism and Anarchy - Mikhail Bakunin

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