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Which Book on Leftist Ideology is Your Preferred Book?

The Communist Manifesto (Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels)
23
18%
The Conquest of Bread (Peter Kropotkin)
24
19%
Das Kapital (Karl Marx)
21
16%
What is Property? (Pierre-Joseph Proudhon)
2
2%
Guerilla Warfare (Che Guevara)
8
6%
Mutual Aid (Peter Kropotkin)
2
2%
Profit Over People (Noam Chomsky)
4
3%
The Ego and Its Own (Max Stirner)
8
6%
Debt: The First 5,000 Years (David Graeber)
5
4%
Other (Please Explain)
32
25%
 
Total votes : 129

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Jack Thomas Lang
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Ex-Nation

Postby Jack Thomas Lang » Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:14 pm

I absolutely love this cold war cartoon.

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Torrocca
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Founded: Dec 01, 2011
Democratic Socialists

Postby Torrocca » Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:17 pm

Jack Thomas Lang wrote:I absolutely love this cold war cartoon.


For a second, I thought that said Alabama and not Albania and was very confused.
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Wage Labor and Capital - Karl Marx
The Conquest of Bread - Peter Kropotkin
Mutual Aid - Peter Kropotkin
Statism and Anarchy - Mikhail Bakunin

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Kowani
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Founded: Apr 01, 2018
Democratic Socialists

Postby Kowani » Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:23 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Kowani wrote:…What even is this.

Goddamnit, Nak was right.

Right about what?

Psychedelics. (No, I’m not on drugs.)


Do you mind if I screenshot this?
Sex is great. But have you tried data visualizations of partisan spatial segregation?
The National Debt is not debt, but merely the sum total, to the penny, of every untaxed dollar in existence since the start of the nation.
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Headline of the day: Missouri State Rep. Rick Roeber (R) expelled from legislature after sexually abusing his own children, drowning puppies
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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Anarchy

Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:24 pm

Kowani wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Right about what?

Psychedelics. (No, I’m not on drugs.)


Do you mind if I screenshot this?

I don't know much about psychedelics. I only know about psychedelic rock, which I love.

Yeah sure, I don't mind. What do you want to screenshot it for though?
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Kowani
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Kowani » Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:29 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Kowani wrote:Psychedelics. (No, I’m not on drugs.)


Do you mind if I screenshot this?

I don't know much about psychedelics. I only know about psychedelic rock, which I love.
:rofl: Of course you do.
Yeah sure, I don't mind. What do you want to screenshot it for though?

To prove to myself that this happened.

And a greater commentary on power dynamics and information, but…
Sex is great. But have you tried data visualizations of partisan spatial segregation?
The National Debt is not debt, but merely the sum total, to the penny, of every untaxed dollar in existence since the start of the nation.
Kowáni's big list of sources, Be Kowáni for a day!
Headline of the day: Missouri State Rep. Rick Roeber (R) expelled from legislature after sexually abusing his own children, drowning puppies
“Dale limona, mujer, que no hay en la vida ná, como la pena de ser, ciego en Graná”
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First American Empire
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Founded: Mar 12, 2019
Libertarian Police State

Postby First American Empire » Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:30 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:
Soviet Tankistan wrote:Showing them by killing everyone, destroying their belongings, and leaving some dubiously qualified warlord to rule over a once democratic nation.

Democracy has no inherent value when the people elect morons who destroy their economies and try to cozy up with the Soviets. We literally did nothing wrong.


You're in the wrong thread. The RWDT is this way: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=469725
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Washington Resistance Army
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Founded: Aug 08, 2011
Father Knows Best State

Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:32 pm

First American Empire wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:Democracy has no inherent value when the people elect morons who destroy their economies and try to cozy up with the Soviets. We literally did nothing wrong.


You're in the wrong thread. The RWDT is this way: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=469725


RWDT and LWDT regularly intermingle.
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Marcus Aurelius, Meditations 12:28 wrote:To those who ask 'Where then have you seen the gods? What conviction of their existence leads you to this worship of them?', I reply first that they are in fact visible to our eyes. Secondly, and not withstanding, that I have not seen my soul either, and yet I honor it. So it is with the gods too: from my every experience of their power time after time I am certain that they exist, and I revere them.
Julian the Apostate wrote:I feel awe of the gods, I love, I revere, I venerate them, and in short have precisely the same feelings towards them as one would have towards kind masters or teachers or fathers or guardians or any beings of that sort.

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Kowani
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Founded: Apr 01, 2018
Democratic Socialists

Postby Kowani » Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:34 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
First American Empire wrote:
You're in the wrong thread. The RWDT is this way: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=469725


RWDT and LWDT regularly intermingle.

Chuckles nervously.
Sex is great. But have you tried data visualizations of partisan spatial segregation?
The National Debt is not debt, but merely the sum total, to the penny, of every untaxed dollar in existence since the start of the nation.
Kowáni's big list of sources, Be Kowáni for a day!
Headline of the day: Missouri State Rep. Rick Roeber (R) expelled from legislature after sexually abusing his own children, drowning puppies
“Dale limona, mujer, que no hay en la vida ná, como la pena de ser, ciego en Graná”
the white man still cries when you cut down the lynching trees

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Torrocca
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Posts: 26914
Founded: Dec 01, 2011
Democratic Socialists

Postby Torrocca » Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:35 pm

First American Empire wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:Democracy has no inherent value when the people elect morons who destroy their economies and try to cozy up with the Soviets. We literally did nothing wrong.


You're in the wrong thread. The RWDT is this way: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=469725


Could you imagine actually unironically defending the "democracy for me, not for thee" imperialist oppression Latin America faced because a lot of countries simply freely elected socialist governments? Incredibly fucked up.
Communist now and forever.
"Fascism is not debated, it is destroyed." - Buenaventura Durruti
She/they every day.
Suggestions welcome!

Capital - Karl Marx and Frederich Engels
Wage Labor and Capital - Karl Marx
The Conquest of Bread - Peter Kropotkin
Mutual Aid - Peter Kropotkin
Statism and Anarchy - Mikhail Bakunin

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First American Empire
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Posts: 816
Founded: Mar 12, 2019
Libertarian Police State

Postby First American Empire » Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:41 pm

Torrocca wrote:
First American Empire wrote:
You're in the wrong thread. The RWDT is this way: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=469725


Could you imagine actually unironically defending the "democracy for me, not for thee" imperialist oppression Latin America faced because a lot of countries simply freely elected socialist governments? Incredibly fucked up.


I've seen people unironically defend any tyrannical regime you can think of. All of them. Even the one you're thinking is so over-the-top evil that nobody would support them. I've seen people support them.
The American Empire is a socially progressive absolute monarchy run by the heirs of Emperor Norton. It started off at MT but has rapidly advanced to PMT through interdimensional travel. All NSstats are used, except for tax rate and population. Factbooks are currently under reconstruction.

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Torrocca
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Posts: 26914
Founded: Dec 01, 2011
Democratic Socialists

Postby Torrocca » Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:43 pm

First American Empire wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Could you imagine actually unironically defending the "democracy for me, not for thee" imperialist oppression Latin America faced because a lot of countries simply freely elected socialist governments? Incredibly fucked up.


I've seen people unironically defend any tyrannical regime you can think of. All of them. Even the one you're thinking is so over-the-top evil that nobody would support them. I've seen people support them.


It's honestly pathetic as fuck, tbh, seeing that shit. And I say that as somebody who used to defend Stalin.
Communist now and forever.
"Fascism is not debated, it is destroyed." - Buenaventura Durruti
She/they every day.
Suggestions welcome!

Capital - Karl Marx and Frederich Engels
Wage Labor and Capital - Karl Marx
The Conquest of Bread - Peter Kropotkin
Mutual Aid - Peter Kropotkin
Statism and Anarchy - Mikhail Bakunin

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Kowani
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Posts: 36877
Founded: Apr 01, 2018
Democratic Socialists

Postby Kowani » Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:43 pm

First American Empire wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Could you imagine actually unironically defending the "democracy for me, not for thee" imperialist oppression Latin America faced because a lot of countries simply freely elected socialist governments? Incredibly fucked up.


I've seen people unironically defend any tyrannical regime you can think of. All of them. Even the one you're thinking is so over-the-top evil that nobody would support them. I've seen people support them.

Who the fuck defends Pol Pot or Idi Amin?
Sex is great. But have you tried data visualizations of partisan spatial segregation?
The National Debt is not debt, but merely the sum total, to the penny, of every untaxed dollar in existence since the start of the nation.
Kowáni's big list of sources, Be Kowáni for a day!
Headline of the day: Missouri State Rep. Rick Roeber (R) expelled from legislature after sexually abusing his own children, drowning puppies
“Dale limona, mujer, que no hay en la vida ná, como la pena de ser, ciego en Graná”
the white man still cries when you cut down the lynching trees

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Washington Resistance Army
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Founded: Aug 08, 2011
Father Knows Best State

Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:45 pm

Kowani wrote:
First American Empire wrote:
I've seen people unironically defend any tyrannical regime you can think of. All of them. Even the one you're thinking is so over-the-top evil that nobody would support them. I've seen people support them.

Who the fuck defends Pol Pot or Idi Amin?


Look I'm just gonna say what we're all thinking you have to respect Idi Amin for being the Conqueror of the British Empire in Africa in General and Uganda in Particular.
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Marcus Aurelius, Meditations 12:28 wrote:To those who ask 'Where then have you seen the gods? What conviction of their existence leads you to this worship of them?', I reply first that they are in fact visible to our eyes. Secondly, and not withstanding, that I have not seen my soul either, and yet I honor it. So it is with the gods too: from my every experience of their power time after time I am certain that they exist, and I revere them.
Julian the Apostate wrote:I feel awe of the gods, I love, I revere, I venerate them, and in short have precisely the same feelings towards them as one would have towards kind masters or teachers or fathers or guardians or any beings of that sort.

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First American Empire
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Founded: Mar 12, 2019
Libertarian Police State

Postby First American Empire » Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:52 pm

Kowani wrote:
First American Empire wrote:
I've seen people unironically defend any tyrannical regime you can think of. All of them. Even the one you're thinking is so over-the-top evil that nobody would support them. I've seen people support them.

Who the fuck defends Pol Pot or Idi Amin?


Some moron who thought Pol Pot's mass murders were American propaganda because the atrocities were "too insane to be real". They were real.

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Kowani wrote:Who the fuck defends Pol Pot or Idi Amin?


Look I'm just gonna say what we're all thinking you have to respect Idi Amin for being the Conqueror of the British Empire in Africa in General and Uganda in Particular.


And a few people overlooked the mass murders and became Idi Amin fans because of this title, and his other "eccentricity".
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Kowani
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Kowani » Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:56 pm

First American Empire wrote:
Kowani wrote:Who the fuck defends Pol Pot or Idi Amin?


Some moron who thought Pol Pot's mass murders were American propaganda because the atrocities were "too insane to be real". They were real.


You know, if they weren’t really well documented, that would almost be a legitimate point. Almost.
Sex is great. But have you tried data visualizations of partisan spatial segregation?
The National Debt is not debt, but merely the sum total, to the penny, of every untaxed dollar in existence since the start of the nation.
Kowáni's big list of sources, Be Kowáni for a day!
Headline of the day: Missouri State Rep. Rick Roeber (R) expelled from legislature after sexually abusing his own children, drowning puppies
“Dale limona, mujer, que no hay en la vida ná, como la pena de ser, ciego en Graná”
the white man still cries when you cut down the lynching trees

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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Founded: Aug 11, 2017
Anarchy

Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:51 am

Kowani wrote:To prove to myself that this happened.

And a greater commentary on power dynamics and information, but…

What commentary about power dynamics and information is that?
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Nakena
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Founded: May 06, 2017
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Nakena » Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:53 am

Kowani wrote:
First American Empire wrote:
Some moron who thought Pol Pot's mass murders were American propaganda because the atrocities were "too insane to be real". They were real.


You know, if they weren’t really well documented, that would almost be a legitimate point. Almost.


Actually the US supported the Khmer Rogue retaining their seat in the UN during the occupation of Cambodia by Bolshevist Vietnam. (who kicked out Pol Pot because he was too creepy even for them)
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Kowani
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Kowani » Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:55 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Kowani wrote:To prove to myself that this happened.

And a greater commentary on power dynamics and information, but…

What commentary about power dynamics and information is that?

The sheer uselessness of rhetoric to change a set mind, but the ability of results to do that instead. Hitter didn’t capture the minds of Germans by convincing the social democrats that he was right, he did it by blaming them (and a lot of other people) for Germany’s economic situation.
Sex is great. But have you tried data visualizations of partisan spatial segregation?
The National Debt is not debt, but merely the sum total, to the penny, of every untaxed dollar in existence since the start of the nation.
Kowáni's big list of sources, Be Kowáni for a day!
Headline of the day: Missouri State Rep. Rick Roeber (R) expelled from legislature after sexually abusing his own children, drowning puppies
“Dale limona, mujer, que no hay en la vida ná, como la pena de ser, ciego en Graná”
the white man still cries when you cut down the lynching trees

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Kowani
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Founded: Apr 01, 2018
Democratic Socialists

Postby Kowani » Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:57 am

Nakena wrote:
Kowani wrote:You know, if they weren’t really well documented, that would almost be a legitimate point. Almost.


Actually the US supported the Khmer Rogue retaining their seat in the UN during the occupation of Cambodia by Bolshevist Vietnam. (who kicked out Pol Pot because he was too creepy even for them)

I’m going to assume anyone who thinks that the horror that was Pol Pot is American propaganda doesn’t know that.
Sex is great. But have you tried data visualizations of partisan spatial segregation?
The National Debt is not debt, but merely the sum total, to the penny, of every untaxed dollar in existence since the start of the nation.
Kowáni's big list of sources, Be Kowáni for a day!
Headline of the day: Missouri State Rep. Rick Roeber (R) expelled from legislature after sexually abusing his own children, drowning puppies
“Dale limona, mujer, que no hay en la vida ná, como la pena de ser, ciego en Graná”
the white man still cries when you cut down the lynching trees

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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Founded: Aug 11, 2017
Anarchy

Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:58 am

Kowani wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:What commentary about power dynamics and information is that?

The sheer uselessness of rhetoric to change a set mind, but the ability of results to do that instead. Hitter didn’t capture the minds of Germans by convincing the social democrats that he was right, he did it by blaming them (and a lot of other people) for Germany’s economic situation.

Are you going to use me as an example? Let me clarify, I was half joking about the "maybe Communism is right" comment.
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Economic: 0.5
Social: -8
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North German Realm
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Left-Leaning College State

Postby North German Realm » Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:59 am

Kowani wrote:
Nakena wrote:
Actually the US supported the Khmer Rogue retaining their seat in the UN during the occupation of Cambodia by Bolshevist Vietnam. (who kicked out Pol Pot because he was too creepy even for them)

I’m going to assume anyone who thinks that the horror that was Pol Pot is American propaganda doesn’t know that.

I think the common stance is that he was a CIA spy doing that to make Communism look bad.

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Kowani
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Kowani » Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:59 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Kowani wrote:The sheer uselessness of rhetoric to change a set mind, but the ability of results to do that instead. Hitter didn’t capture the minds of Germans by convincing the social democrats that he was right, he did it by blaming them (and a lot of other people) for Germany’s economic situation.

Are you going to use me as an example? Let me clarify, I was half joking about the "maybe Communism is right" comment.

I’m not a complete moron, Xeno. :p
But the point remains.
Sex is great. But have you tried data visualizations of partisan spatial segregation?
The National Debt is not debt, but merely the sum total, to the penny, of every untaxed dollar in existence since the start of the nation.
Kowáni's big list of sources, Be Kowáni for a day!
Headline of the day: Missouri State Rep. Rick Roeber (R) expelled from legislature after sexually abusing his own children, drowning puppies
“Dale limona, mujer, que no hay en la vida ná, como la pena de ser, ciego en Graná”
the white man still cries when you cut down the lynching trees

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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Founded: Aug 11, 2017
Anarchy

Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Thu Aug 15, 2019 1:03 am

Kowani wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Are you going to use me as an example? Let me clarify, I was half joking about the "maybe Communism is right" comment.

I’m not a complete moron, Xeno. :p
But the point remains.

What point? I'm an idiot, I don't understand.
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Economic: 0.5
Social: -8
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Kowani
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Kowani » Thu Aug 15, 2019 1:08 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Kowani wrote:I’m not a complete moron, Xeno. :p
But the point remains.

What point? I'm an idiot, I don't understand.

You’re not an idiot.
But. Essentially, the point is thus-that unless negative results can be seen and linked to a position, rhetoric will do little to any strongly held position.
Sex is great. But have you tried data visualizations of partisan spatial segregation?
The National Debt is not debt, but merely the sum total, to the penny, of every untaxed dollar in existence since the start of the nation.
Kowáni's big list of sources, Be Kowáni for a day!
Headline of the day: Missouri State Rep. Rick Roeber (R) expelled from legislature after sexually abusing his own children, drowning puppies
“Dale limona, mujer, que no hay en la vida ná, como la pena de ser, ciego en Graná”
the white man still cries when you cut down the lynching trees

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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Founded: Aug 11, 2017
Anarchy

Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Thu Aug 15, 2019 1:13 am

Kowani wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:What point? I'm an idiot, I don't understand.

You’re not an idiot.
But. Essentially, the point is thus-that unless negative results can be seen and linked to a position, rhetoric will do little to any strongly held position.

Hmm. Maybe. But those weird amazon bots aren't bad results of capitalism, they're more like... bad arguments for capitalism. And y'know what they say, the best argument against something is a bad argument for it.
Pro: Liberty, Liberalism, Capitalism, Secularism, Equal opportunity, Direct Democracy, Windows Chauvinism, Progressive Rock, LGBT+ Rights, Live and let live tbh.
Against: Authoritarianism, Traditionalism, Non-Market-Socialism, Laissez-Faire Capitalism, Autocracy, (A)Theocracy, Macs, "The ends justify the means," Collectivism in all its forms.
Economic: 0.5
Social: -8
I'm a 19 year old Australian. Liberalism with a dash of lolbert. I don't do as much research as I should.

I'm a MTF transgender person, so I'd prefer you use she/her pronouns on me. If not, he/him'll do.

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