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Which Book on Leftist Ideology is Your Preferred Book?

The Communist Manifesto (Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels)
23
18%
The Conquest of Bread (Peter Kropotkin)
24
19%
Das Kapital (Karl Marx)
21
16%
What is Property? (Pierre-Joseph Proudhon)
2
2%
Guerilla Warfare (Che Guevara)
8
6%
Mutual Aid (Peter Kropotkin)
2
2%
Profit Over People (Noam Chomsky)
4
3%
The Ego and Its Own (Max Stirner)
8
6%
Debt: The First 5,000 Years (David Graeber)
5
4%
Other (Please Explain)
32
25%
 
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Postby Solarist VZ » Mon Aug 12, 2019 8:56 am

Kowani wrote:
Solarist VZ wrote:I'll prefer to fucking die.
No saben lo que estan hablando.

Epérate, tú de dónde ere?

Memezuela.
Proctopeo wrote:tbh South America has a bad track record with basically every government type, so there's always reason to be upset, but also always reason to change.

Blame the mental masturbation of our people with leaders, autocrats and "caudillos". There wasn't a rather clear definition of institutional values to follow aside from following (interpreted by said leaders) what the US or Europeans do.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Aug 12, 2019 8:59 am

Solarist VZ wrote:
Kowani wrote:Epérate, tú de dónde ere?

Memezuela.

Va, te cree un cómico.
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Postby Proctopeo » Mon Aug 12, 2019 9:04 am

Solarist VZ wrote:
Kowani wrote:Epérate, tú de dónde ere?

Memezuela.

Oh, right, Chavez led the Pink Tide. Didn't work out so well for most countries, especially not Venezuela...

Leave it localized to Argentina, por favor.
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Solarist VZ
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Postby Solarist VZ » Mon Aug 12, 2019 9:06 am

Kowani wrote:
Solarist VZ wrote:Memezuela.

Va, te cree un cómico.

Tienes razón. No se como demostrar de un desconocido de internet a otro de donde vivo.
De verdad, a quien le importa la opinion de un cochino tercer-mundista como yo.
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Oh, baby do you know what's worth? / Heaven is a place on earth

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Postby Torrocca » Mon Aug 12, 2019 10:13 am

Solarist VZ wrote:
Liriena wrote:It sure looks like we might be on the verge of a Pink Tide 2.0

Torrocca wrote:Hopefully the rest of South America will follow suit >:3

I'll prefer to fucking die.
No saben lo que estan hablando.


"Better dead than red" is a fucking stupid way to look at the world.
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Postby First American Empire » Mon Aug 12, 2019 10:22 am

Torrocca wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Not within the time period that Nova Cyberia's been here, however. I think I vaguely remember catching the tail end of that in late 2017, but I could be thinking of someone else.


That was probably definitely me, since I didn't have a shift in my beliefs until late 2017/early 2018 :P


What were your beliefs before? I joined with my old nation in early 2018, so I don't remember back then.
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Postby First American Empire » Mon Aug 12, 2019 10:32 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Nakena wrote:
Supposedly he had plans to invade Europe in 1942.

I wish we could find a Hitler of today, and kill him.


Try looking for people who make terrible art. Hitler started out as an artist, before he failed his qualification for art school and switched to a backup career as a genocidal maniac.
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Postby Cekoviu » Mon Aug 12, 2019 10:33 am

First American Empire wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
That was probably definitely me, since I didn't have a shift in my beliefs until late 2017/early 2018 :P


What were your beliefs before? I joined with my old nation in early 2018, so I don't remember back then.

Just your average everyday tankie, iirc.
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Postby Torrocca » Mon Aug 12, 2019 10:33 am

First American Empire wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
That was probably definitely me, since I didn't have a shift in my beliefs until late 2017/early 2018 :P


What were your beliefs before? I joined with my old nation in early 2018, so I don't remember back then.


This does a good enough job summing my old beliefs up tbqh
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Postby First American Empire » Mon Aug 12, 2019 10:42 am

Cekoviu wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:They're all chumps because they'll never be cool as Genghis Khan, a man we can forgive despite killing upwards of 40 million people.

Uh, who "can forgive" Chinggis Khan?


Far too many people, even though he's literally worse than Hitler. Genghis Khan apologia utterly disgusts me. If Genghis Khan's present-day reputation is anything to go by, I shudder to think what will happen with Hitler's reputation hundreds of years from now.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Mon Aug 12, 2019 11:25 am

Pasong Tirad wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Does anybody have any ideas on how to kill off an ant colony that has migrated into my car? There's no food keeping them in my car, they went up inside it during a rainy season, and now they won't leave. I don't want to spray any pesticide inside my car, and nothing I've tried has worked. Think they might be in the AC system.

Traitor.

United Muscovite Nations wrote:Amen.

Look, the ants can have their rights outside of my car.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Mon Aug 12, 2019 11:26 am

Torrocca wrote:
First American Empire wrote:
What were your beliefs before? I joined with my old nation in early 2018, so I don't remember back then.


This does a good enough job summing my old beliefs up tbqh

Same.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Aug 12, 2019 11:31 am

First American Empire wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Uh, who "can forgive" Chinggis Khan?


Far too many people, even though he's literally worse than Hitler. Genghis Khan apologia utterly disgusts me. If Genghis Khan's present-day reputation is anything to go by, I shudder to think what will happen with Hitler's reputation hundreds of years from now.

Genghis Khan at least gets a pass because his attitude was, if somewhat extreme, understandable for his time. Hitler does not have that flimsy shield.

(Also, there could be a bit of East/West racism conflict seeping into the meta-narrative, buuut…)
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Postby Cekoviu » Mon Aug 12, 2019 11:44 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Pasong Tirad wrote:Traitor.


Look, the ants can have their rights outside of my car.

"The Jews can have their rights outside of the Third Reich."
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Mon Aug 12, 2019 11:45 am

Cekoviu wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Look, the ants can have their rights outside of my car.

"The Jews can have their rights outside of the Third Reich."

They can come in, but they have to come in legally.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Aug 12, 2019 11:47 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:"The Jews can have their rights outside of the Third Reich."

They can come in, but they have to come in legally.

How convenient that the ports just happen to be closed.
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Postby Torrocca » Mon Aug 12, 2019 11:49 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:"The Jews can have their rights outside of the Third Reich."

They can come in, but they have to come in legally.


That's not very Antarchist of you famalam
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Mon Aug 12, 2019 11:50 am

Torrocca wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:They can come in, but they have to come in legally.


That's not very Antarchist of you famalam

Look, I'd be happy to provide them some kind of housing, but I can't drive with 500 ants in the cabin with me.
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Postby Torrocca » Mon Aug 12, 2019 11:58 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
That's not very Antarchist of you famalam

Look, I'd be happy to provide them some kind of housing, but I can't drive with 500 ants in the cabin with me.


Buy them 500 ant-sized car seats that meet safety regulations, then. ez pz
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Postby Cekoviu » Mon Aug 12, 2019 12:03 pm

Torrocca wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Look, I'd be happy to provide them some kind of housing, but I can't drive with 500 ants in the cabin with me.


Buy them 500 ant-sized car seats that meet safety regulations, then. ez pz

If somebody makes insect-size car seats and little cars, it would be so cute. I really want some cute decorations for my pet cockroaches, but I always run into the issue of dangerous paint or degradation in humidity.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Mon Aug 12, 2019 12:05 pm

Torrocca wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Look, I'd be happy to provide them some kind of housing, but I can't drive with 500 ants in the cabin with me.


Buy them 500 ant-sized car seats that meet safety regulations, then. ez pz

That wouldn't be humane, the ants have to live free, not inside the metal cage that is my car.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Aug 12, 2019 12:05 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Buy them 500 ant-sized car seats that meet safety regulations, then. ez pz

If somebody makes insect-size car seats and little cars, it would be so cute. I really want some cute decorations for my pet cockroaches, but I always run into the issue of dangerous paint or degradation in humidity.

>Pet cockroaches.
We’re getting you help. :p
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Mon Aug 12, 2019 12:07 pm

Kowani wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:If somebody makes insect-size car seats and little cars, it would be so cute. I really want some cute decorations for my pet cockroaches, but I always run into the issue of dangerous paint or degradation in humidity.

>Pet cockroaches.
We’re getting you help. :p

Yeah, ngl, it's kind of weird.
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Postby Torrocca » Mon Aug 12, 2019 12:07 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Buy them 500 ant-sized car seats that meet safety regulations, then. ez pz

That wouldn't be humane, the ants have to live free, not inside the metal cage that is my car.


The ants voluntarily turned your car into their commune. It's only natural to give them the necessary safety measures required for safe travel on the roads.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Mon Aug 12, 2019 12:08 pm

Torrocca wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:That wouldn't be humane, the ants have to live free, not inside the metal cage that is my car.


The ants voluntarily turned your car into their commune. It's only natural to give them the necessary safety measures required for safe travel on the roads.

It's me who isn't safe during the drive because the ants try to crawl on me.
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