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Which Book on Leftist Ideology is Your Preferred Book?

The Communist Manifesto (Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels)
23
18%
The Conquest of Bread (Peter Kropotkin)
24
19%
Das Kapital (Karl Marx)
21
16%
What is Property? (Pierre-Joseph Proudhon)
2
2%
Guerilla Warfare (Che Guevara)
8
6%
Mutual Aid (Peter Kropotkin)
2
2%
Profit Over People (Noam Chomsky)
4
3%
The Ego and Its Own (Max Stirner)
8
6%
Debt: The First 5,000 Years (David Graeber)
5
4%
Other (Please Explain)
32
25%
 
Total votes : 129

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Hanafuridake
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Postby Hanafuridake » Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:13 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:I hear he moved to Argentina, I wonder if the real deal is still alive today, selling fish in a market in Patagonia.

Actually, I hear he's jerking off punks under the Queensboro Bridge for $5 a man.


What if there never actually was a Hitler and he was just a figment of our collective imagination?
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Postby Nakena » Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:14 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Nakena wrote:
Supposedly he had plans to invade Europe in 1942.

I wish we could find a Hitler of today, and kill him.


He's probably hanging around at 4chan or more likely 8chan. Or used to be. He started out as troll in the late 2000s and then later got into GamerGate in 2015 before he got into the alt-right. He's an american. Middle class family who got hit harsh (yet not too much) by the 2008 crisis.

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United Muscovite Nations
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:15 pm

Nakena wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:I wish we could find a Hitler of today, and kill him.


He's probably hanging around at 4chan or more likely 8chan. Or used to be. He started out as troll in the late 2000s and then later got into GamerGate in 2015 before he got into the alt-right. He's an american. Middle class family who got hit harsh (yet not too much) by the 2008 crisis.

You just described like half the site.
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Postby Proctopeo » Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:15 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:I hear he moved to Argentina, I wonder if the real deal is still alive today, selling fish in a market in Patagonia.

Actually, I hear he's jerking off punks under the Queensboro Bridge for $5 a man.

Sounds about right.

Hanafuridake wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Actually, I hear he's jerking off punks under the Queensboro Bridge for $5 a man.


What if there never actually was a Hitler and he was just a figment of our collective imagination?

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Postby Kowani » Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:18 pm

Nakena wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:I wish we could find a Hitler of today, and kill him.


He's probably hanging around at 4chan or more likely 8chan. Or used to be. He started out as troll in the late 2000s and then later got into GamerGate in 2015 before he got into the alt-right. He's an american. Middle class family who got hit harsh (yet not too much) by the 2008 crisis.

:clap: :lol2:
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Postby Nakena » Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:20 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:I wish we could find a Hitler of today, and kill him.

Image


21th century nazism will come from America.

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Nakena wrote:
He's probably hanging around at 4chan or more likely 8chan. Or used to be. He started out as troll in the late 2000s and then later got into GamerGate in 2015 before he got into the alt-right. He's an american. Middle class family who got hit harsh (yet not too much) by the 2008 crisis.

You just described like half the site.


Former libertarian. He likely rarely uses that anymore at this point having switched to more underground communication methods. He's currently in a rather inactive phase, with the seeds being laid already. Throughly radicalized and ideologized but invisible and in hibernation for now. Probably focussing on his reallife or military career even.

He will probably not rise until the 2nd or 3rd sucessor of the alt-right sweeps the place. I'd give it 5 to 10 years at max.
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United Muscovite Nations
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:21 pm

Nakena wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:
Image


21th century nazism will come from America.

United Muscovite Nations wrote:You just described like half the site.


Former libertarian. Probably shared a Discord server with him at some point. He likely rarely uses that anymore at this point having switched to more underground communication methods. He's currently in a rather inactive phase, with the seeds being laid already. Throughly radicalized and ideologized but invisible and in hibernation for now. Probably focussing on his reallife or military career even.

He will probably not rise until the 2nd or 3rd sucessor of the alt-right sweeps the place.

Oh, I think I know who you're talking about now.
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Postby Nakena » Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:22 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Nakena wrote:
21th century nazism will come from America.



Former libertarian. Probably shared a Discord server with him at some point. He likely rarely uses that anymore at this point having switched to more underground communication methods. He's currently in a rather inactive phase, with the seeds being laid already. Throughly radicalized and ideologized but invisible and in hibernation for now. Probably focussing on his reallife or military career even.

He will probably not rise until the 2nd or 3rd sucessor of the alt-right sweeps the place.

Oh, I think I know who you're talking about now.


Theres alot of those types around to whom that biography fits. One of them might be the new Hitler.

Not a specific individual but rather a profile of type, or maybe even part of a generation who shared similar experience in upbringing and politicization.
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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:33 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:King. What is the point of this question, when you know the answer everyone's going to give?

I'm establishing that the LWDT thinks that Stalin was the bad guy, and are therefore Nazi sympathizers.

Who here believes disliking Stalin makes you a Nazi sympathizer?
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Postby Cekoviu » Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:34 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:I'm establishing that the LWDT thinks that Stalin was the bad guy, and are therefore Nazi sympathizers.

Who here believes disliking Stalin makes you a Nazi sympathizer?

It is a joke.
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Kowani
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Postby Kowani » Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:34 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:I'm establishing that the LWDT thinks that Stalin was the bad guy, and are therefore Nazi sympathizers.

Who here believes disliking Stalin makes you a Nazi sympathizer?

…Did you see the “who was worse” thread?
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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:35 pm

Kowani wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Who here believes disliking Stalin makes you a Nazi sympathizer?

…Did you see the “who was worse” thread?

Can't say I did. Were there people there unironically saying "If you think Stalin was worse, you love Nazis!"
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Postby Jack Thomas Lang » Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:37 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Kowani wrote:…Did you see the “who was worse” thread?

Can't say I did. Were there people there unironically saying "If you think Stalin was worse, you love Nazis!"

Yep.

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Postby Kowani » Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:37 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Kowani wrote:…Did you see the “who was worse” thread?

Can't say I did. Were there people there unironically saying "If you think Stalin was worse, you love Nazis!"

Yep.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:39 pm

Kowani wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Can't say I did. Were there people there unironically saying "If you think Stalin was worse, you love Nazis!"

Yep.

Yikes. Never change NSG. Which people were doing it?
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Postby Kowani » Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:41 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Kowani wrote:Yep.

Yikes. Never change NSG. Which people were doing it?

Don’t know ‘em, don’t wanna know ‘em. But the usual suspects of young nations with communist names and Russian flags. We got somewhat distracted by the guy trying to absolve Hitler of blame for the Holocaust.
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Postby Proctopeo » Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:43 pm

They're all chumps because they'll never be cool as Genghis Khan, a man we can forgive despite killing upwards of 40 million people.
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Postby Napkizemlja » Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:44 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:I'm establishing that the LWDT thinks that Stalin was the bad guy, and are therefore Nazi sympathizers.

Who here believes disliking Stalin makes you a Nazi sympathizer?

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Postby Cekoviu » Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:44 pm

Proctopeo wrote:They're all chumps because they'll never be cool as Genghis Khan, a man we can forgive despite killing upwards of 40 million people.

Uh, who "can forgive" Chinggis Khan?
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:45 pm

Napkizemlja wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Who here believes disliking Stalin makes you a Nazi sympathizer?

A gold plated chain would make a nice little retirement gift for a very, very good slave.

Sorry what?
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Postby Kowani » Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:45 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:They're all chumps because they'll never be cool as Genghis Khan, a man we can forgive despite killing upwards of 40 million people.

Uh, who "can forgive" Chinggis Khan?

Ulaanbaatar has an airport named after him.
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Postby Proctopeo » Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:45 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:They're all chumps because they'll never be cool as Genghis Khan, a man we can forgive despite killing upwards of 40 million people.

Uh, who "can forgive" Chinggis Khan?

Everyone.
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Postby Nakena » Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:46 pm

Napkizemlja wrote:A gold plated chain would make a nice little retirement gift for a very, very good slave.


Something you'd like to tell us?
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:47 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:They're all chumps because they'll never be cool as Genghis Khan, a man we can forgive despite killing upwards of 40 million people.

Uh, who "can forgive" Chinggis Khan?

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Postby Napkizemlja » Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:47 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Uh, who "can forgive" Chinggis Khan?

With God, all things are possible.

And crack whores.
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