LWDT 7: The Earth and Heavens Tremble.

[Torrocca]

Oh, wait, those are Americans during the Great Depression.

Didn't the Holodomor and other regional famines in the USSR also happen at the same time?

Yes but the "meme" that only communists face famine or some shit is still incredibly stupid

Oh, wait, those are Americans during the Great Depression.

Pretty heavy whataboutism going on here.

Nah, the Great Depression and the Holodomor were both terrible.

*centrism intensifies*

[Nova Cyberia]

Oh, wait, those are Americans during the Great Depression.

Didn't the Holodomor and other regional famines in the USSR also happen at the same time?

Oh, let's see. What argument will the commie use today?
1. Not real communism
2. The Holodomor was an accident and Stalin was a gud boi
3. fAmIneS haPpEn In CaPitaLiSt cOunTrieS toO

[Cekoviu]

Didn't the Holodomor and other regional famines in the USSR also happen at the same time?

Oh, let's see. What argument will the commie use today?
1. Not real communism

Correct.

2. The Holodomor was an accident and Stalin was a gud boi

I can't imagine Torrocca saying that.

3. fAmIneS haPpEn In CaPitaLiSt cOunTrieS toO

Also correct, if a poor argument.

[North German Realm]

Didn't the Holodomor and other regional famines in the USSR also happen at the same time?

Oh, let's see. What argument will the commie use today?
1. Not real communism
2. The Holodomor was an accident and Stalin was a gud boi
3. fAmIneS haPpEn In CaPitaLiSt cOunTrieS toO

I mean... the last one is absolutely correct.

Didn't the Holodomor and other regional famines in the USSR also happen at the same time?

Yes but the "meme" that only communists face famine or some shit is still incredibly stupid

I don't think anyone actually unironically thinks that tbh.

[Nova Cyberia]

Oh, let's see. What argument will the commie use today?
1. Not real communism
2. The Holodomor was an accident and Stalin was a gud boi
3. fAmIneS haPpEn In CaPitaLiSt cOunTrieS toO

I mean... the last one is absolutely correct.

Yes but the "meme" that only communists face famine or some shit is still incredibly stupid

I don't think anyone actually unironically thinks that tbh.

It is true, but it doesn't change the fact that communist regimes have historically been rather shit at providing their people with food.

It's only ever used a particularly flimsy whataboutism.

[Torrocca]

Oh, let's see. What argument will the commie use today?
1. Not real communism

Correct.

Technically incorrect: it wasn't Communism at all.

2. The Holodomor was an accident and Stalin was a gud boi

I can't imagine Torrocca saying that.

Well... I used to.

3. fAmIneS haPpEn In CaPitaLiSt cOunTrieS toO

Also correct, if a poor argument.

It's worth pointing out on account of the fact that blaming famines on """Communism""" is incredibly fucking stupid.

Yes but the "meme" that only communists face famine or some shit is still incredibly stupid

I don't think anyone actually unironically thinks that tbh.

I doubt it, given the prevalence of that circlejerk.

[North German Realm]

I mean... the last one is absolutely correct.


I don't think anyone actually unironically thinks that tbh.

It is true, but it doesn't change the fact that communist regimes have historically been rather shit at providing their people with food.

It's only ever used a particularly flimsy whataboutism.

It's not really whataboutism when used against a person who brings up a famine to demonstrate that capitalism is superior to communism. It's a counter example. It would be whataboutism if a commie brought it up in response to the authoritarian rule of the Soviet Union, however.

And uh, not really? I mean, capitalism is equally shitty at providing health for its citizens when it doesn't have a sane -socialist in nature- welfare scheme and labor laws.

[Saiwania]

Usually I don't like immigrants or refugees one bit, but what occured in Cambodia under Pol Pot was just crazy. I can understand why lots of them fled. Instead of having the developed countries take such people in however, I think it should be the neighboring countries' problem. And ideally, an invasion could be launched to depose a regime that's no good- if this is feasible. Then afterwards, displaced people could return back to what was their homes.

Thailand was correct in letting fleeing Cambodians into their country during this time, provided it was all temporary.

[The South Falls]

Gulags, my guy. Karaganda and Kolyma await.

BERIA GANG

Yezhov and Beria. Possibly some of the most destructive henchmen of all time.

[Cekoviu]

Correct.

Technically incorrect: it wasn't Communism at all.

True.

I can't imagine Torrocca saying that.

Well... I used to.

Not within the time period that Nova Cyberia's been here, however. I think I vaguely remember catching the tail end of that in late 2017, but I could be thinking of someone else.

I don't think anyone actually unironically thinks that tbh.

I doubt it, given the prevalence of that circlejerk.

Once you "ironically" say stuff enough, you start to believe it.

[Cekoviu]

I mean... the last one is absolutely correct.


I don't think anyone actually unironically thinks that tbh.

It is true, but it doesn't change the fact that communist regimes have historically been rather shit at providing their people with food.

It's only ever used a particularly flimsy whataboutism.

>communist
>regime
heh

[Torrocca]

Well... I used to.

Not within the time period that Nova Cyberia's been here, however. I think I vaguely remember catching the tail end of that in late 2017, but I could be thinking of someone else.

That was probably definitely me, since I didn't have a shift in my beliefs until late 2017/early 2018

I doubt it, given the prevalence of that circlejerk.

Once you "ironically" say stuff enough, you start to believe it.

Exactly.

[Liriena]

It's a very peculiar logic, the whole "awful things happened under Stalinism/Maoism so the entirety of left-wing thought and policy are cancelled forever" shtick.

Like... guys, I just want labour rights and decent public services. I promise I am not going to do a Latin American remake of the "great leap forward". Calm thine tits.

[Nova Cyberia]

It is true, but it doesn't change the fact that communist regimes have historically been rather shit at providing their people with food.

It's only ever used a particularly flimsy whataboutism.

>communist
>regime
heh

Yes, Cek. Communist regimes.

[Torrocca]

It is true, but it doesn't change the fact that communist regimes have historically been rather shit at providing their people with food.

It's only ever used a particularly flimsy whataboutism.

>communist
>regime
heh

Imagine coming into a thread dedicated to left-wing politics and harping on about """communist""" regimes like you somehow know anything about leftism lol

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Like... guys, I just want labour rights and decent public services. I promise I am not going to do a Latin American remake of the "great leap forward". Calm thine tits.

Elect Liri the 1st President of United Earth, immediately.

[North German Realm]

It's a very peculiar logic, the whole "awful things happened under Stalinism/Maoism so the entirety of left-wing thought and policy are cancelled forever" shtick.

Like... guys, I just want labour rights and decent public services. I promise I am not going to do a Latin American remake of the "great leap forward". Calm thine tits.

The biggest trick America pulled was convincing its own workers that having rights is somehow a bad thing that'll bring the end times.

[Nova Cyberia]

It's a very peculiar logic, the whole "awful things happened under Stalinism/Maoism so the entirety of left-wing thought and policy are cancelled forever" shtick.

Like... guys, I just want labour rights and decent public services. I promise I am not going to do a Latin American remake of the "great leap forward". Calm thine tits.

You say that... and then at the same time you also want to live in a socialist confederation.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

It's a very peculiar logic, the whole "awful things happened under Stalinism/Maoism so the entirety of left-wing thought and policy are cancelled forever" shtick.

Like... guys, I just want labour rights and decent public services. I promise I am not going to do a Latin American remake of the "great leap forward". Calm thine tits.

The biggest trick America pulled was convincing its own workers that having rights is somehow a bad thing that'll bring the end times.

Anything that may potentially threaten the free market is bad, apparently.

[Nova Cyberia]

It is true, but it doesn't change the fact that communist regimes have historically been rather shit at providing their people with food.

It's only ever used a particularly flimsy whataboutism.

It's not really whataboutism when used against a person who brings up a famine to demonstrate that capitalism is superior to communism. It's a counter example. It would be whataboutism if a commie brought it up in response to the authoritarian rule of the Soviet Union, however.

And uh, not really? I mean, capitalism is equally shitty at providing health for its citizens when it doesn't have a sane -socialist in nature- welfare scheme and labor laws.

>socialist in nature

Oh, boy. We're doing the "Scandinavian capitalism is actually socialism but only when it's politically convenient for me" thing again.

[Torrocca]

It's a very peculiar logic, the whole "awful things happened under Stalinism/Maoism so the entirety of left-wing thought and policy are cancelled forever" shtick.

Like... guys, I just want labour rights and decent public services. I promise I am not going to do a Latin American remake of the "great leap forward". Calm thine tits.

You say that... and then at the same time you also want to live in a socialist confederation.

You really don't need to make your lack of an understanding of anything leftist this much of a spectacle. We get it already.

[Kowani]

The biggest trick America pulled was convincing its own workers that having rights is somehow a bad thing that'll bring the end times.

Anything that may potentially threaten the free market is bad, apparently.

“Free market.”
This despite the fact that the demands of the workers are currently within a market function.

[Liriena]

It's a very peculiar logic, the whole "awful things happened under Stalinism/Maoism so the entirety of left-wing thought and policy are cancelled forever" shtick.

Like... guys, I just want labour rights and decent public services. I promise I am not going to do a Latin American remake of the "great leap forward". Calm thine tits.

You say that... and then at the same time you also want to live in a socialist confederation.

Yes, I do support democracy both on the state level and in the workplace. I'm very libertarian like that.

[North German Realm]

It's not really whataboutism when used against a person who brings up a famine to demonstrate that capitalism is superior to communism. It's a counter example. It would be whataboutism if a commie brought it up in response to the authoritarian rule of the Soviet Union, however.

And uh, not really? I mean, capitalism is equally shitty at providing health for its citizens when it doesn't have a sane -socialist in nature- welfare scheme and labor laws.

>socialist in nature

Oh, boy. We're doing the "Scandinavian capitalism is actually socialism but only when it's politically convenient for me" thing again.

Actually, my bad. I should've said "left-wing" rather than "Socialist". And uh, nobody's claiming Scandinavia's socialist. the countries have some of the highest rates in economic freedom for crying out loud.

[Nova Cyberia]

>socialist in nature

Oh, boy. We're doing the "Scandinavian capitalism is actually socialism but only when it's politically convenient for me" thing again.

Actually, my bad. I should've said "left-wing" rather than "Socialist". And uh, nobody's claiming Scandinavia's socialist. the countries have some of the highest rates in economic freedom for crying out loud.

Okay, they aren't socialist. That's the only point I'm trying to get across.