Adultery is much more common if it's legal. Divorce in the west has risen since the sexual revolution. Abuse relates mostly to poverty.
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by Al Mumtahanah » Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:45 pm
by Ostroeuropa » Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:46 pm
Al Mumtahanah wrote:Ostroeuropa wrote:
There's less adultery in societies with pre-marital sex. People who have had pre-marital sex are less likely to divorce. They're less likely to be involved in an abusive relationship. Plenty of stuff.
Adultery is much more common if it's legal. Divorce in the west has risen since the sexual revolution. Abuse relates mostly to poverty.
by Cekoviu » Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:47 pm
Al Mumtahanah wrote:Nakena wrote:
But saying so is not only heretic to left-liberal orthodoxy it is also raycist.
According to the prevailing views in the mainstream media.
It will, however, in the long run lead to some serious problems.
Islam allows for a critique of society from a new angle. Fatima Barkatulla talked in her show about how immodest dress is a form of sexual harassment of men by women. A lot of Europeans today don't even consider issues like sexual harassment of men.
by Al Mumtahanah » Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:48 pm
by Cekoviu » Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:49 pm
Al Mumtahanah wrote:North German Realm wrote:In all seriousness though, "women not wearing literal garbage sacks is sexual harassment of men" is the most incel comment I've ever heard in my life, and I'm not at all surprised it came from a Muslim.
But Islam places great obligation on men as well, not to flirt with women and to lower their gaze when speaking to them. Very strongly against leering even at immodestly dressed women. As Fatima says the first comnand is given for men to lower their gaze and speak respectfully, the next says women must dress modestly.
by Nakena » Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:50 pm
North German Realm wrote:I don't give a fuck about what Quran orders who to do. As long as those orders include forcing women to wear modestly so men don't get attracted, it's harmful, misogynistic cowdung and should be fought on every level.
Cekoviu wrote:I don't take the nationalist, Islamophobic position that some others here have, but this kind of thing makes it harder for me to not do so.
by Cekoviu » Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:51 pm
Al Mumtahanah wrote:Abuse is more common against women who work outside the home
https://www.forbes.com/sites/meghancass ... lence/amp/
by Ostroeuropa » Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:51 pm
Cekoviu wrote:Al Mumtahanah wrote:But Islam places great obligation on men as well, not to flirt with women and to lower their gaze when speaking to them. Very strongly against leering even at immodestly dressed women. As Fatima says the first comnand is given for men to lower their gaze and speak respectfully, the next says women must dress modestly.
Also garbage. Like, if you need a religion to tell you not to ogle people, you probably aren't that great of a person in the first place. And people lowering their gaze when talking to someone just makes it weirder, because then they're looking down at the genitals instead of the face...
by Cekoviu » Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:52 pm
Nakena wrote:Cekoviu wrote:I don't take the nationalist, Islamophobic position that some others here have, but this kind of thing makes it harder for me to not do so.
You don't have to become a nationalist or "islamophobic" (the word was coined by the same guys who issued the Fatwa to kill Salman Rushdie if I am not mistaken) to be opposed to shitty religious dogmas.
by North German Realm » Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:53 pm
Nakena wrote:North German Realm wrote:I don't give a fuck about what Quran orders who to do. As long as those orders include forcing women to wear modestly so men don't get attracted, it's harmful, misogynistic cowdung and should be fought on every level.
Theres quite a number of trad-christians and rigid-hard moralists who feel appealed by islamic morality. Sometimes even convert.Cekoviu wrote:I don't take the nationalist, Islamophobic position that some others here have, but this kind of thing makes it harder for me to not do so.
You don't have to become a nationalist or "islamophobic" (the word was coined by the same guys who issued the Fatwa to kill Salman Rushdie if I am not mistaken) to be opposed to shitty religious dogmas.
5 Nov, 2020
Die Morgenpost: "We will reconsider our relationship with Poland" Reichskanzler Lagenmauer says after Polish president protested North German ultimatum that made them restore reproductive freedom. | European Society votes not to persecute Hungary for atrocities committed against Serbs, "Giving a rogue state leave to commit genocide as it sees fit." North German delegate bemoans. | Negotiations still underway in Rome, delegates arguing over the extent of indemnities Turkey might be made to pay, lawful status of Turkish collaborators during occupation of Azerbaijan, Cyprus, Syria.
by Ostroeuropa » Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:55 pm
Cekoviu wrote:Al Mumtahanah wrote:Abuse is more common against women who work outside the home
https://www.forbes.com/sites/meghancass ... lence/amp/
Did you read the article? That's because of people with regressive views like you.
by Hanafuridake » Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:56 pm
North German Realm wrote:Nakena wrote:
Theres quite a number of trad-christians and rigid-hard moralists who feel appealed by islamic morality. Sometimes even convert.
You don't have to become a nationalist or "islamophobic" (the word was coined by the same guys who issued the Fatwa to kill Salman Rushdie if I am not mistaken) to be opposed to shitty religious dogmas.
Bold of you to assume the guy who issued the fatwa to kill Rushdie had the ability to speak coherently, much less in another language. (The cunt in question is the first Supreme Leader of Iran, and in our own country he's famous for his inability to make coherent sentences, by which I mean sentences that have a verb, subject, and object).
Suriyanakhon's alt, finally found my old account's password李贽 wrote:There is nothing difficult about becoming a sage, and nothing false about transcending the world of appearances.
by Al Mumtahanah » Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:57 pm
Ostroeuropa wrote:By the way, one consequence of liberal European attitudes is that, counter-inuitively, we're not a bunch of cucks. The rate of covert illegitimacy of children is lowest in Europe at 1-2%, rising in the rest of the world until it reaches a peak in Africa at 10%.
This is as a result of liberal attitudes to sex pre-marriage lowering the rates of infidelity.Al Mumtahanah wrote:Adultery is much more common if it's legal. Divorce in the west has risen since the sexual revolution. Abuse relates mostly to poverty.
Deterrence doesn't work when it comes to adultery, it merely warps the figures collected by locals on the matter. You can tell because when researchers outside the culture ask, they get significantly higher response rates. For instance, in Pakistan, a third of marriages involve adultery, compared to the US, where it is around 20% and falling in younger generations.
Abuse doesn't relate mostly to poverty, sorry to break it to you.
by Nakena » Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:57 pm
Cekoviu wrote:Nakena wrote:
You don't have to become a nationalist or "islamophobic" (the word was coined by the same guys who issued the Fatwa to kill Salman Rushdie if I am not mistaken) to be opposed to shitty religious dogmas.
There is a very fine line between hating Islam as a religion and hating Muslims. Some, even many, of you have crossed that line.
by Cekoviu » Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:58 pm
Hanafuridake wrote:North German Realm wrote:Bold of you to assume the guy who issued the fatwa to kill Rushdie had the ability to speak coherently, much less in another language. (The cunt in question is the first Supreme Leader of Iran, and in our own country he's famous for his inability to make coherent sentences, by which I mean sentences that have a verb, subject, and object).
So basically you guys have Islamic Trump as your head of state?
by Ostroeuropa » Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:00 am
Al Mumtahanah wrote:Ostroeuropa wrote:By the way, one consequence of liberal European attitudes is that, counter-inuitively, we're not a bunch of cucks. The rate of covert illegitimacy of children is lowest in Europe at 1-2%, rising in the rest of the world until it reaches a peak in Africa at 10%.
This is as a result of liberal attitudes to sex pre-marriage lowering the rates of infidelity.
Deterrence doesn't work when it comes to adultery, it merely warps the figures collected by locals on the matter. You can tell because when researchers outside the culture ask, they get significantly higher response rates. For instance, in Pakistan, a third of marriages involve adultery, compared to the US, where it is around 20% and falling in younger generations.
Abuse doesn't relate mostly to poverty, sorry to break it to you.
Pakistan used to enforce laws against fornication and adultery especially in the 70's, they rarely do anymore despite having them on the books. Qatar would really be a better example.
by Cekoviu » Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:01 am
Nakena wrote:Cekoviu wrote:There is a very fine line between hating Islam as a religion and hating Muslims. Some, even many, of you have crossed that line.
One can be opposed to judaism and christianity without hating christians or jews. I am not overly fond of christianity either as you may have noticed.
Which being said:
Many of us?
Who are we?
by North German Realm » Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:01 am
Hanafuridake wrote:North German Realm wrote:Bold of you to assume the guy who issued the fatwa to kill Rushdie had the ability to speak coherently, much less in another language. (The cunt in question is the first Supreme Leader of Iran, and in our own country he's famous for his inability to make coherent sentences, by which I mean sentences that have a verb, subject, and object).
So basically you guys have Islamic Trump as your head of state?
5 Nov, 2020
Die Morgenpost: "We will reconsider our relationship with Poland" Reichskanzler Lagenmauer says after Polish president protested North German ultimatum that made them restore reproductive freedom. | European Society votes not to persecute Hungary for atrocities committed against Serbs, "Giving a rogue state leave to commit genocide as it sees fit." North German delegate bemoans. | Negotiations still underway in Rome, delegates arguing over the extent of indemnities Turkey might be made to pay, lawful status of Turkish collaborators during occupation of Azerbaijan, Cyprus, Syria.
by North German Realm » Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:03 am
Having any number of Muslims is inherently harmful for any country in multiple aspects (including its culture, civil rights, and safety). Europe isn't really an exception in that front.Cekoviu wrote:Nakena wrote:
One can be opposed to judaism and christianity without hating christians or jews. I am not overly fond of christianity either as you may have noticed.
Which being said:
Many of us?
Who are we?
Those expressing sympathy for the sentiment that Muslims are inherently harmful to European countries and/or that Syrian refugees are harmful and should have tighter restrictions.
5 Nov, 2020
Die Morgenpost: "We will reconsider our relationship with Poland" Reichskanzler Lagenmauer says after Polish president protested North German ultimatum that made them restore reproductive freedom. | European Society votes not to persecute Hungary for atrocities committed against Serbs, "Giving a rogue state leave to commit genocide as it sees fit." North German delegate bemoans. | Negotiations still underway in Rome, delegates arguing over the extent of indemnities Turkey might be made to pay, lawful status of Turkish collaborators during occupation of Azerbaijan, Cyprus, Syria.
by Cekoviu » Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:03 am
North German Realm wrote:Having any number of Muslims is inherently harmful for any country in multiple aspects (including its culture, civil rights, and safety). Europe isn't really an exception in that front.Cekoviu wrote:Those expressing sympathy for the sentiment that Muslims are inherently harmful to European countries and/or that Syrian refugees are harmful and should have tighter restrictions.
by Ostroeuropa » Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:04 am
North German Realm wrote:Having any number of Muslims is inherently harmful for any country in multiple aspects (including its culture, civil rights, and safety). Europe isn't really an exception in that front.Cekoviu wrote:Those expressing sympathy for the sentiment that Muslims are inherently harmful to European countries and/or that Syrian refugees are harmful and should have tighter restrictions.
by Hanafuridake » Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:05 am
Suriyanakhon's alt, finally found my old account's password李贽 wrote:There is nothing difficult about becoming a sage, and nothing false about transcending the world of appearances.
by North German Realm » Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:07 am
5 Nov, 2020
Die Morgenpost: "We will reconsider our relationship with Poland" Reichskanzler Lagenmauer says after Polish president protested North German ultimatum that made them restore reproductive freedom. | European Society votes not to persecute Hungary for atrocities committed against Serbs, "Giving a rogue state leave to commit genocide as it sees fit." North German delegate bemoans. | Negotiations still underway in Rome, delegates arguing over the extent of indemnities Turkey might be made to pay, lawful status of Turkish collaborators during occupation of Azerbaijan, Cyprus, Syria.
by North German Realm » Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:09 am
Hanafuridake wrote:North German Realm wrote:Had. The cunt kicked the bucket in late 80s. And honestly? Trump isn't even remotely as bad as that guy even at his worst.
For some reason, I keep thinking that the Rushdie fatwa happened a lot later than it actually did.
I meant less in a moral sense and more that Trump seems incapable of creating functional sentences at times.
5 Nov, 2020
Die Morgenpost: "We will reconsider our relationship with Poland" Reichskanzler Lagenmauer says after Polish president protested North German ultimatum that made them restore reproductive freedom. | European Society votes not to persecute Hungary for atrocities committed against Serbs, "Giving a rogue state leave to commit genocide as it sees fit." North German delegate bemoans. | Negotiations still underway in Rome, delegates arguing over the extent of indemnities Turkey might be made to pay, lawful status of Turkish collaborators during occupation of Azerbaijan, Cyprus, Syria.
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