LWDT 7: The Earth and Heavens Tremble.

[Torrocca]

Eh, sentiments aside, perhaps celebrating the July 20th plotters isn't the best way to celebrate resistance to Nazism.

Now, the White Rose or all the partisans that openly resisted Nazi rule and occupation? They're much better examples of standing up to Nazism.

Here some sweets for you

Because I feel nice.

Ooh, I actually already knew about them, too. Forgot to make mention of them, though.

[First American Empire]

"This day is a reminder to us, not only of those who acted on July 20, but also of everyone who stood up against Nazi rule," she said in her weekly video podcast.

"We are likewise obliged today to oppose all tendencies that seek to destroy democracy. That includes right-wing extremism."

Angela Merkel supports antifa smh why can't she just let nazis participate in the free marketplace of ideas

Angela Merkel is one of the few conservative politicians I respect, precisely because of stuff like this. I may prefer the Greens and SPD, but she's done an admirable job as Chancellor of Germany and (since 2017) as Leader of the Free World.

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Most of the 20th July plotters had arch-conservative to reactionary views. Today they would be called likely Nazis.

So not really Antifa. ^^

They were literally Nazi members of the Wehrmacht that were (correctly) scared Hitler and the Party's leadership was going to get them screwed. That they were Nazis and fascists too isn't really a topic of debate. When we say "it would be better if Operation Valkyrie worked", we don't mean it would be a utopia, just better than the National Socialist Worker's Party being in charge.

It probably wouldn't have made much of a difference if they were successful. They thought they could sue for peace with the Western Allies, but by July 1944 the Allies were already in France ready to strike at Germany, the Germans were running out of oil, and the Soviet war machine was drawing ever closer. The Allies were absolutely already in a good position to push for an unconditional surrender and not accept an armistice. And if America and Britain did make peace, Germany would actually have been worse off because the Soviets would not stop until they conquered the whole country.

[Nakena]

They were literally Nazi members of the Wehrmacht that were (correctly) scared Hitler and the Party's leadership was going to get them screwed. That they were Nazis and fascists too isn't really a topic of debate. When we say "it would be better if Operation Valkyrie worked", we don't mean it would be a utopia, just better than the National Socialist Worker's Party being in charge.

It probably wouldn't have made much of a difference if they were successful. They thought they could sue for peace with the Western Allies, but by July 1944 the Allies were already in France ready to strike at Germany, the Germans were running out of oil, and the Soviet war machine was drawing ever closer. The Allies were absolutely already in a good position to push for an unconditional surrender and not accept an armistice. And if America and Britain did make peace, Germany would actually have been worse off because the Soviets would not stop until they conquered the whole country.

Perhaps they would let the allies get in to prevent the soviets from grabbing up terretory in Europe and thus Operation Unthinkable would become a possibility but in different combination. Wehrmacht would side on side with the US army fight against bolshevism.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

"This day is a reminder to us, not only of those who acted on July 20, but also of everyone who stood up against Nazi rule," she said in her weekly video podcast.

"We are likewise obliged today to oppose all tendencies that seek to destroy democracy. That includes right-wing extremism."

Angela Merkel supports antifa smh why can't she just let nazis participate in the free marketplace of ideas

That is not her supporting the black clad far-left anarchists of modern day antifa.

[Nakena]

"This day is a reminder to us, not only of those who acted on July 20, but also of everyone who stood up against Nazi rule," she said in her weekly video podcast.

"We are likewise obliged today to oppose all tendencies that seek to destroy democracy. That includes right-wing extremism."

Angela Merkel supports antifa smh why can't she just let nazis participate in the free marketplace of ideas

That is not her supporting the black clad far-left anarchists of modern day antifa.

No. But they managed to burn down parts of Hamburg in 2017.

[Democratic Communist Federation]

No. But they managed to burn down parts of Hamburg in 2017.

Antifa began in European Marxism, not anarchism. As Antifa myself, I am only interested in protecting and serving people, not burning anything.

[New yugoslavaia]

One question.
Will nations ever stop being a thing?
If so, it will probably start off with increasing amounts of reverse Balkanization until countries just become large blocs/regions. Eventually there might be no seperations, just one world.

[Hanafuridake]

One question.
Will nations ever stop being a thing?
If so, it will probably start off with increasing amounts of reverse Balkanization until countries just become large blocs/regions. Eventually there might be no seperations, just one world.

It's impossible to say with 100% certainty, but doubtful, considering how attached people are to their language and place of origin. Even many Communist countries are nationalist and use nationalism in their arguments for policy decisions.

[Cappuccina]

One question.
Will nations ever stop being a thing?
If so, it will probably start off with increasing amounts of reverse Balkanization until countries just become large blocs/regions. Eventually there might be no seperations, just one world.

The latter will most likely never happen, there is a limit to how many divergent cultures can live under the same roof. I don't think nations or nationalism will disappear.

[Bear Stearns]

The Soviet Union would have won the Cold War if they didn't pin all of their hopes on Ivan Drago.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

"This day is a reminder to us, not only of those who acted on July 20, but also of everyone who stood up against Nazi rule," she said in her weekly video podcast.

"We are likewise obliged today to oppose all tendencies that seek to destroy democracy. That includes right-wing extremism."

Angela Merkel supports antifa smh why can't she just let nazis participate in the free marketplace of ideas

Angela Merkel is one of the few conservative politicians I respect, precisely because of stuff like this. I may prefer the Greens and SPD, but she's done an admirable job as Chancellor of Germany and (since 2017) as Leader of the Free World.

She doesn't really seem that conservative, or at least she has none of the positive aspects of conservatism. A young modern moderate conservative (the kind who's somewhat liberal on gay marriage and drugs and stuff) couldn't find much to relate to her at all. And how's she leader of the free world?

[Cekoviu]

Angela Merkel is one of the few conservative politicians I respect, precisely because of stuff like this. I may prefer the Greens and SPD, but she's done an admirable job as Chancellor of Germany and (since 2017) as Leader of the Free World.

She doesn't really seem that conservative, or at least she has none of the positive aspects of conservatism. A young modern moderate conservative (the kind who's somewhat liberal on gay marriage and drugs and stuff) couldn't find much to relate to her at all. And how's she leader of the free world?

She's the most important person in the free world and is also a leader in Germany, which is at the forefront?

[First American Empire]

Angela Merkel is one of the few conservative politicians I respect, precisely because of stuff like this. I may prefer the Greens and SPD, but she's done an admirable job as Chancellor of Germany and (since 2017) as Leader of the Free World.

She doesn't really seem that conservative, or at least she has none of the positive aspects of conservatism. A young modern moderate conservative (the kind who's somewhat liberal on gay marriage and drugs and stuff) couldn't find much to relate to her at all. And how's she leader of the free world?

The US President didn't become LotFW because he wasn't democratically elected. Hence I consider it going to the leader of the next most influential democracy, in this case Germany.

[Cappuccina]

She doesn't really seem that conservative, or at least she has none of the positive aspects of conservatism. A young modern moderate conservative (the kind who's somewhat liberal on gay marriage and drugs and stuff) couldn't find much to relate to her at all. And how's she leader of the free world?

She's the most important person in the free world and is also a leader in Germany, which is at the forefront?

How TF is Germany at the forefront of the "Free World"?

[Jack Thomas Lang]

The US President didn't become LotFW because he wasn't democratically elected. Hence I consider it going to the leader of the next most influential democracy, in this case Germany.

What do you mean? There are many reasons not to consider Trump as the leader of the Free World, I wouldn't consider his election one of them.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

She doesn't really seem that conservative, or at least she has none of the positive aspects of conservatism. A young modern moderate conservative (the kind who's somewhat liberal on gay marriage and drugs and stuff) couldn't find much to relate to her at all. And how's she leader of the free world?

The US President didn't become LotFW because he wasn't democratically elected. Hence I consider it going to the leader of the next most influential democracy, in this case Germany.

He wasn't elected democratically, but he was elected legally. The electoral college, while I don't like it either, is the legal method by which a person is appointed president. I guess by the same logic Obama wasn't the leader of the free world since 2012 either.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

She doesn't really seem that conservative, or at least she has none of the positive aspects of conservatism. A young modern moderate conservative (the kind who's somewhat liberal on gay marriage and drugs and stuff) couldn't find much to relate to her at all. And how's she leader of the free world?

She's the most important person in the free world and is also a leader in Germany, which is at the forefront?

This is why I hate the EU. It gives heaps of power to Germany, which gives heaps of power to Merkel.

[Bear Stearns]

The US President didn't become LotFW because he wasn't democratically elected. Hence I consider it going to the leader of the next most influential democracy, in this case Germany.

What do you mean? There are many reasons not to consider Trump as the leader of the Free World, I wouldn't consider his election one of them.

The concept of the "free world" is pretty stupid because really only the US and Britain did any of the heavy lifting.

[First American Empire]

She's the most important person in the free world and is also a leader in Germany, which is at the forefront?

How TF is Germany at the forefront of the "Free World"?

Because America left the Free World. The presidential election was stolen in plain sight by 2.8 million votes, and the president who stole said election is a serial rapist who puts children in concentration camps.

[First American Empire]

One question.
Will nations ever stop being a thing?
If so, it will probably start off with increasing amounts of reverse Balkanization until countries just become large blocs/regions. Eventually there might be no seperations, just one world.

I really, really hope so. That's basically my ultimate dream for global politics. I think this will probably happen in the long term, but it'll take at least several centuries.

[Cappuccina]

How TF is Germany at the forefront of the "Free World"?

Because America left the Free World. The presidential election was stolen in plain sight by 2.8 million votes, and the president who stole said election is a serial rapist who puts children in concentration camps.

No proof he stole the presidency, or a rapist, and concentration camps....rly?

I don't like Trump, in fact I think he's a clown, but let's not lie.

[Kowani]

The US President didn't become LotFW because he wasn't democratically elected. Hence I consider it going to the leader of the next most influential democracy, in this case Germany.

He wasn't elected democratically, but he was elected legally. The electoral college, while I don't like it either, is the legal method by which a person is appointed president. I guess by the same logic Obama wasn't the leader of the free world since 2012 either.

But…Obama won the popular vote in 2012....

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

How TF is Germany at the forefront of the "Free World"?

Because America left the Free World. The presidential election was stolen in plain sight by 2.8 million votes, and the president who stole said election is a serial rapist who puts children in concentration camps.

So did Obama and Bush.

[Torrocca]

He wasn't elected democratically, but he was elected legally. The electoral college, while I don't like it either, is the legal method by which a person is appointed president. I guess by the same logic Obama wasn't the leader of the free world since 2012 either.

But…Obama won the popular vote in 2012....

Hot take: America doesn't actually have a popular vote and it's just a bunch of aliens in gimp suits creating fake polls to deceive us into thinking otherwise.

This is why Area 51's happening. Don't be fooled, comrades.