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Which Book on Leftist Ideology is Your Preferred Book?

The Communist Manifesto (Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels)
23
18%
The Conquest of Bread (Peter Kropotkin)
24
19%
Das Kapital (Karl Marx)
21
16%
What is Property? (Pierre-Joseph Proudhon)
2
2%
Guerilla Warfare (Che Guevara)
8
6%
Mutual Aid (Peter Kropotkin)
2
2%
Profit Over People (Noam Chomsky)
4
3%
The Ego and Its Own (Max Stirner)
8
6%
Debt: The First 5,000 Years (David Graeber)
5
4%
Other (Please Explain)
32
25%
 
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Pasong Tirad
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Postby Pasong Tirad » Sun Jun 30, 2019 7:10 pm

Al Mumtahanah wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Ah, yes, because gay people only exist during June.

Because the Gay Holiday and advertising frenzy is June.

Not an entirely wrong take. The struggle for queer liberation has been co-opted by rainbow capitalists trying to make a few more dollars by marketing themselves as pro-gender equality despite doing absolutely nothing for queer folks. The struggle is to defeat this co-opting.

Also, "Gay Holiday." Lol. That's cute.
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Postby Cekoviu » Sun Jun 30, 2019 7:12 pm

Pasong Tirad wrote:
Al Mumtahanah wrote:Because the Gay Holiday and advertising frenzy is June.

Not an entirely wrong take. The struggle for queer liberation has been co-opted by rainbow capitalists trying to make a few more dollars by marketing themselves as pro-gender equality despite doing absolutely nothing for queer folks. The struggle is to defeat this co-opting.

Also, "Gay Holiday." Lol. That's cute.

Corporations selling gay shit and saying they're pro-gay rights is absolutely no different than selling Christmas shit and saying "merry Christmas/happy holidays."
That is, it's not an issue.
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Pasong Tirad
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Postby Pasong Tirad » Sun Jun 30, 2019 7:19 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Pasong Tirad wrote:Not an entirely wrong take. The struggle for queer liberation has been co-opted by rainbow capitalists trying to make a few more dollars by marketing themselves as pro-gender equality despite doing absolutely nothing for queer folks. The struggle is to defeat this co-opting.

Also, "Gay Holiday." Lol. That's cute.

Corporations selling gay shit and saying they're pro-gay rights is absolutely no different than selling Christmas shit and saying "merry Christmas/happy holidays."
That is, it's not an issue.

Yes, it is an issue and a big one. These companies are trying to market themselves as pro-LGBT rights while at the same time not doing squat for the queer community is disgusting. Their first and only motive is to profit and not the uplifting of the queer community. It's not queer liberation, it's rainbow capitalism.
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Postby Cekoviu » Sun Jun 30, 2019 7:24 pm

Pasong Tirad wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Corporations selling gay shit and saying they're pro-gay rights is absolutely no different than selling Christmas shit and saying "merry Christmas/happy holidays."
That is, it's not an issue.

Yes, it is an issue and a big one. These companies are trying to market themselves as pro-LGBT rights while at the same time not doing squat for the queer community is disgusting. Their first and only motive is to profit and not the uplifting of the queer community. It's not queer liberation, it's rainbow capitalism.

The job of corporations is not advocacy and it shouldn't be. Their purpose is to make money, and they are (appropriately) working as intended.
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Postby Big Jim P » Sun Jun 30, 2019 7:36 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:what

Everyone needs an arch-nemesis. They're better than friends.


Indeed. Too bad both of my NSG Arch-nemesis bought themselves a deat. :(
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Postby Big Jim P » Sun Jun 30, 2019 7:38 pm

Pasong Tirad wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Corporations selling gay shit and saying they're pro-gay rights is absolutely no different than selling Christmas shit and saying "merry Christmas/happy holidays."
That is, it's not an issue.

Yes, it is an issue and a big one. These companies are trying to market themselves as pro-LGBT rights while at the same time not doing squat for the queer community is disgusting. Their first and only motive is to profit and not the uplifting of the queer community. It's not queer liberation, it's rainbow capitalism.


Corporations pandering to a potential source of profits. Imagine that.
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Al Mumtahanah
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Postby Al Mumtahanah » Sun Jun 30, 2019 9:07 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Pasong Tirad wrote:Not an entirely wrong take. The struggle for queer liberation has been co-opted by rainbow capitalists trying to make a few more dollars by marketing themselves as pro-gender equality despite doing absolutely nothing for queer folks. The struggle is to defeat this co-opting.

Also, "Gay Holiday." Lol. That's cute.

Corporations selling gay shit and saying they're pro-gay rights is absolutely no different than selling Christmas shit and saying "merry Christmas/happy holidays."
That is, it's not an issue.

I would imagine it is for Christians who can't appreciate their holy day being exploited to promote consumerism
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Ifreann wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:How about if I don't wanna learn about Islam I shouldn't have to?

Makes about as much sense as letting kids decide that if they don't wanna eat then they shouldn't have to.

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Postby Cekoviu » Sun Jun 30, 2019 9:13 pm

Al Mumtahanah wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Corporations selling gay shit and saying they're pro-gay rights is absolutely no different than selling Christmas shit and saying "merry Christmas/happy holidays."
That is, it's not an issue.

I would imagine it is for Christians who can't appreciate their holy day being exploited to promote consumerism

As evidenced by the hordes of Christians protesting Walmart for selling Christmas trees and Santa decorations, I presume?
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Postby Liriena » Sun Jun 30, 2019 9:56 pm

So... Portland police has all but admitted that the whole "cement" thing they tweeted out surrounding the Ngo incident (and which right-wing propagandists quickly propagated online) was little more than an uncorroborated rumour.

Way to refute the leftists who insist on treating police as accomplices to right-wing activism, rather than impartial enforcers of the law, you guys.
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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:11 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:I support gay marriage, equal rights for racial minorities, Federal hate crime legislation etc. I however also support the death penalty, the proliferation of nuclear weapons, and the right to bear arms.

Why do you support the death penalty?

United Muscovite Nations wrote:Standard of living isn't the most important thing. Even with higher standards of living today, people rate their lives as less satisfying, moreover, the rampant consumerism overproduces wants instead of needs, the end result of which will be resource shortages. We're in a spike of living standards because we're right now at a point where only a small portion of the global population enjoys Western consumer standards of living, but once you have increases in standards of living elsewhere, we'll witness resources like energy and minerals being used at a much higher rate.

Standard of living is the most important thing, at least far more important than spiritual or personal enlightenment or whatever, because you can't force a person to be enlightened.

Hanafuridake wrote:When you don't care about pride, and don't feel the need to inform everyone about how much you don't care about pride, because you actually don't care about pride.

You may not care about pride, and you may not care about the fact that you don't care about pride, but you do care about the fact that you don't care about the fact that you don't care about pride.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:31 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:When you don't care about pride, and don't feel the need to inform everyone about how much you don't care about pride, because you actually don't care about pride.

You may not care about pride, and you may not care about the fact that you don't care about pride, but you do care about the fact that you don't care about the fact that you don't care about pride.


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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:34 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:You may not care about pride, and you may not care about the fact that you don't care about pride, but you do care about the fact that you don't care about the fact that you don't care about pride.


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It's not a burn, it's a science. A math equation.
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Postby Liriena » Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:34 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:
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It's not a burn, it's a science. A math equation.

We burn stuff in science, though, so it checks out.
be gay do crime


I am:
A pansexual, pantheist, green socialist
An aspiring writer and journalist
Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:58 pm

Liriena wrote:So... Portland police has all but admitted that the whole "cement" thing they tweeted out surrounding the Ngo incident (and which right-wing propagandists quickly propagated online) was little more than an uncorroborated rumour.

Way to refute the leftists who insist on treating police as accomplices to right-wing activism, rather than impartial enforcers of the law, you guys.

You got a link to what?
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Al Mumtahanah
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Postby Al Mumtahanah » Sun Jun 30, 2019 11:21 pm

Liriena wrote:So... Portland police has all but admitted that the whole "cement" thing they tweeted out surrounding the Ngo incident (and which right-wing propagandists quickly propagated online) was little more than an uncorroborated rumour.

Way to refute the leftists who insist on treating police as accomplices to right-wing activism, rather than impartial enforcers of the law, you guys.

Either way I expect he has learned his lesson and will be careful about what he says about Islam in the future.
Ifreann wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:How about if I don't wanna learn about Islam I shouldn't have to?

Makes about as much sense as letting kids decide that if they don't wanna eat then they shouldn't have to.

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Postby Rostavykhan » Sun Jun 30, 2019 11:42 pm

Liriena wrote:So... Portland police has all but admitted that the whole "cement" thing they tweeted out surrounding the Ngo incident (and which right-wing propagandists quickly propagated online) was little more than an uncorroborated rumour.

Way to refute the leftists who insist on treating police as accomplices to right-wing activism, rather than impartial enforcers of the law, you guys.


They never said "this was definitely, totally cement, and we're sure of it." though. They stated explicitly that they'd been sent information, not that they had proof or that it was objective fact. This isn't new for police. They get information, which they usually tell people, and then investigate that info, and the claims made by witnesses.

Saying "We have information that X happened" isn't the same as promoting one side.

Al Mumtahanah wrote:
Liriena wrote:So... Portland police has all but admitted that the whole "cement" thing they tweeted out surrounding the Ngo incident (and which right-wing propagandists quickly propagated online) was little more than an uncorroborated rumour.

Way to refute the leftists who insist on treating police as accomplices to right-wing activism, rather than impartial enforcers of the law, you guys.

Either way I expect he has learned his lesson and will be careful about what he says about Islam in the future.


Wow, this doesn't sound ominous at all.
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Postby Al Mumtahanah » Mon Jul 01, 2019 12:00 am

Just the reverse.
Ifreann wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:How about if I don't wanna learn about Islam I shouldn't have to?

Makes about as much sense as letting kids decide that if they don't wanna eat then they shouldn't have to.

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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Mon Jul 01, 2019 12:04 am

Liriena wrote:So... Portland police has all but admitted that the whole "cement" thing they tweeted out surrounding the Ngo incident (and which right-wing propagandists quickly propagated online) was little more than an uncorroborated rumour.

Way to refute the leftists who insist on treating police as accomplices to right-wing activism, rather than impartial enforcers of the law, you guys.


Christ, the other side gets a guy sent to the hospital with serious injury and you're trying to force it into a narrative of the left being persecuted.

That's quite the reacherooni. Ever considered a career in basketball?
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El-Amin Caliphate
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Mon Jul 01, 2019 12:07 am

Al Mumtahanah wrote:
Liriena wrote:So... Portland police has all but admitted that the whole "cement" thing they tweeted out surrounding the Ngo incident (and which right-wing propagandists quickly propagated online) was little more than an uncorroborated rumour.

Way to refute the leftists who insist on treating police as accomplices to right-wing activism, rather than impartial enforcers of the law, you guys.

Either way I expect he has learned his lesson and will be careful about what he says about Islam in the future.

What has he said?
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Postby Al Mumtahanah » Mon Jul 01, 2019 12:19 am

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Al Mumtahanah wrote:Either way I expect he has learned his lesson and will be careful about what he says about Islam in the future.

What has he said?

Most of the articles he writes are about how Islamism is a threat to the west, even nonviolent Islamism.
Ifreann wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:How about if I don't wanna learn about Islam I shouldn't have to?

Makes about as much sense as letting kids decide that if they don't wanna eat then they shouldn't have to.

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Mon Jul 01, 2019 12:21 am

Al Mumtahanah wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:What has he said?

Most of the articles he writes are about how Islamism is a threat to the west, even nonviolent Islamism.

Um.......that's not a terrible thing to say to be careful over...
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Postby Al Mumtahanah » Mon Jul 01, 2019 12:29 am

Antifa is extremely protective of Muslims because they are often targeted by hateful people. Antifa also marched against Gay Against Sharia in the UK
Ifreann wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:How about if I don't wanna learn about Islam I shouldn't have to?

Makes about as much sense as letting kids decide that if they don't wanna eat then they shouldn't have to.

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Postby Pasong Tirad » Mon Jul 01, 2019 1:25 am

Cekoviu wrote:The job of corporations is not advocacy and it shouldn't be. Their purpose is to make money, and they are (appropriately) working as intended.

Big Jim P wrote:Corporations pandering to a potential source of profits. Imagine that.

Precisely why corporations should have no place in pride.

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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby The New California Republic » Mon Jul 01, 2019 2:04 am

Big Jim P wrote:Too bad both of my NSG Arch-nemesis bought themselves a deat. :(

I mean, some of mine have gone a step further and been declared DOS. :p
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